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Lesbian awarded custody of Christian's only child

Uh_ what does being a lesbian have do with this issues? I am not sure what the big deal is?
 
RyrineaHaruno said:
Uh_ what does being a lesbian have do with this issues? I am not sure what the big deal is?
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Lets change up the facts then shall we....

Man and Woman.... Woman is biological mother to child, Man was not involved in the creation of this child and did not "adopt" the child as his own during their time together.

The two get seperated.

The facts show that the man did not have much of a part of the child's life during the seperation, did not call the child on its birthday, or send birthday cards, or call to ask how the child was doing in school, or how they were developing. During visitations with the man, the child returned to tell the mother that the man had done "some act" that was thought extremely inappropriate. The mother is otherwise viewed as a positive influence in the child's life and a good mother.


Now you tell me, who should get custody of this child?
 
EpicDude86 said:
Lesbian awarded custody of Christian's only child

I lol'd. Hard.


Everyone's thoughts on this impending ****storm?
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To put things in perspective:

October 26, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - When Lisa Miller repudiated the lesbian lifestyle in 2003 and turned to Jesus Christ as her savior, she believed that she and her daughter Isabella would be safe from her traumatic and confused past. However, her former partner Janet Jenkins, to whom she was joined in a “civil union,” was not willing to let go without a fight. Jenkins sued and successfully received the right to unsupervised visits with Isabella, some lasting for weeks, despite the fact that she has no biological or adoptive relationship with the child.
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There is a vast difference between visitation rights and being awarded custody. Further, if the former domestic partner is a lesbian, then it follows that the mother is a lesbian also. Is, not was. There is no such thing as a former lesbian; either a woman (or man) is gay, or not. It is neither a choice, nor is it something that can be "cured."

So, if there is a (bleep!) storm, chances are most of it will be of he male bovine variety.
 
Thanks for the good read guys, I should just fire-and-forget more threads like this one! It's always a learning experience with you guys!
 
Caine said:
Lets change up the facts then shall we....

Man and Woman.... Woman is biological mother to child, Man was not involved in the creation of this child and did not "adopt" the child as his own during their time together.

The two get seperated.

The facts show that the man did not have much of a part of the child's life during the seperation, did not call the child on its birthday, or send birthday cards, or call to ask how the child was doing in school, or how they were developing. During visitations with the man, the child returned to tell the mother that the man had done "some act" that was thought extremely inappropriate. The mother is otherwise viewed as a positive influence in the child's life and a good mother.


Now you tell me, who should get custody of this child?
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If the case is this simple, the courts should make short work of it. If WND is not presenting all the facts, then we don't know enough to judge. Either way, messy custody fights are a tragedy for the children, and whether the people involved are strait or gay is, as you show, irrelevant.
 
Redress said:
If the case is this simple, the courts should make short work of it. If WND is not presenting all the facts, then we don't know enough to judge. Either way, messy custody fights are a tragedy for the children, and whether the people involved are strait or gay is, as you show, irrelevant.
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My only problem with the story is the emphasis on "christianity"

Who gives a flying **** about christianity.
 
Caine said:
Lets change up the facts then shall we....

Man and Woman.... Woman is biological mother to child, Man was not involved in the creation of this child and did not "adopt" the child as his own during their time together.

The two get seperated.

The facts show that the man did not have much of a part of the child's life during the seperation, did not call the child on its birthday, or send birthday cards, or call to ask how the child was doing in school, or how they were developing. During visitations with the man, the child returned to tell the mother that the man had done "some act" that was thought extremely inappropriate. The mother is otherwise viewed as a positive influence in the child's life and a good mother.


Now you tell me, who should get custody of this child?
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I think the mother should get custody of the child, if she was a positive influence ectt. If the father is a douchbag he shouldn't get custody of the child.
 
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Caine said:
My only problem with the story is the emphasis on "christianity"

Who gives a flying **** about christianity.
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I would agree with that, and add the "lesbian" part. Neither is any ones business but those involved directly. The whole story is designed to inflame the small minded, and neglect the real tragedy, which is a poor kid is caught in the middle of an ugly custody fight.
 
Caine said:
My only problem with the story is the emphasis on "christianity"

Who gives a flying **** about christianity.
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I've seen some Christians raise some pretty horrible children, be it the fault of the Parent or the Child, though I can only say I've only know two children to be raised by Lesbians. One is a gay male (I guess he got the Gay from his mom?) and the other a straight female, though she is one hell of a sexual deviant (You know those damn lesbians, with their crazy sexual deviance.)
 
Redress said:
I would agree with that, and add the "lesbian" part. Neither is any ones business but those involved directly. The whole story is designed to inflame the small minded, and neglect the real tragedy, which is a poor kid is caught in the middle of an ugly custody fight.
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Due to the fact that the case will also be heard in Virginia court, where the biological mother has been living, the lesbian part DOES have much to do with it.

As Virginia courts do not recognize "civil-unions".
 
RyrineaHaruno said:
I think the mother should get custody of the child, if she was a positive influence ectt. If the father is a douchbag he shouldn't get custody of the child.
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Well, technically in my scenario the "father" you speak of isn't the father of the child.

Which is what we have in this situation.
 
Caine said:
Well, technically in my scenario the "father" you speak of isn't the father of the child.

Which is what we have in this situation.
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In a civil union, she would be analogous to the stepfather.

Did everyone notice that the fight is not about custody, but visitation rights? That makes quite a difference, don't you think?
 
Dittohead not! said:
[Further, if the former domestic partner is a lesbian, then it follows that the mother is a lesbian also. Is, not was. There is no such thing as a former lesbian; either a woman (or man) is gay, or not. It is neither a choice, nor is it something that can be "cured."
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I'm sorry, but this has not actually been proven beyond reasonable doubt. There are many experts in the field (psychologists whose specialty is sexual issues) who are not convinced that homosexuality is inborn and immutable. I've posted links to some of these sources in the past on DP.

No "gay gene" has been found. No physiological difference between gay and straight has been proven to exist at the moment of birth that is a "causative".

You don't have to look hard to find many stories of people who have switched orientations.

Do not postulate as fact that which is far from proven, even if it may be "popular assumption".
 
Dittohead not! said:
There is no such thing as a former lesbian; either a woman (or man) is gay, or not. It is neither a choice, nor is it something that can be "cured."
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Tomorrow, I could choose to start ****ing dudes (I'd start with Rev. Hellhound and CC). And I'd enjoy it too, mostly because I'd get mah rocks off. What now Mr. It's-not-a-choice? And if tomorrow I started ****ing dudes, the day after I could be 'cured' with a nice piece of she-tail that makes me see the error of my ways. Sexual orientation is based on one thing: Getting your rocks off. And you can gain and lose new fetishes, often times it's by accident, but the average person can choose what kind of sex they want to have one way or another.
 
EpicDude86 said:
Tomorrow, I could choose to start ****ing dudes (I'd start with Rev. Hellhound and CC). And I'd enjoy it too, mostly because I'd get mah rocks off. What now Mr. It's-not-a-choice? And if tomorrow I started ****ing dudes, the day after I could be 'cured' with a nice piece of she-tail that makes me see the error of my ways. Sexual orientation is based on one thing: Getting your rocks off. And you can gain and lose new fetishes, often times it's by accident, but the average person can choose what kind of sex they want to have one way or another.
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You are confused. Being gay is not just having sex.
 
EpicDude86 said:
Right...right...I meant to say Homosexual
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Again, there is a difference between being a homosexual, and having homosexual sex. You could be a homosexual and be celibate.
 
EpicDude86 said:
Lesbian awarded custody of Christian's only child

I lol'd. Hard.


Everyone's thoughts on this impending ****storm?
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I oppose gay marriage and any paper coated terms for gay marriage like domestic partnerships and civil unions and I oppose adoptions that not by a married couple consisting of a man and woman. That said if you are in a relationship with someone and you allow that person to take on a equal parenting role for a significant portion of that child's life then one of the consequences is that person still gets visitation even after the relationship is over.
 
EpicDude86 said:
But...then you're a nosexual. :D
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No. It is possible to have an orientation, and not be active sexually. Orientation involves who you are attracted to.
 
Redress said:
No. It is possible to have an orientation, and not be active sexually. Orientation involves who you are attracted to.
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Either way, you have a sexual preference that could be acted upon and could change at will or not at will...or whatever. What point are we trying to make again?
 
EpicDude86 said:
Either way, you have a sexual preference that could be acted upon and could change at will or not at will...or whatever. What point are we trying to make again?
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Whether you can change that preference is debatable. I do not believe that most people can choose to change it. I suspect that orientation is a combination of genetic and environmental factors. Those who are gay or strait mostly due to environment probably can change, while genetic probably not. That is an oversimplification though of course.

A prisoner who has only one option for sex is not changing their orientation. They would still prefer women, but are just taking advantage of what is available.
 
jamesrage said:
I oppose gay marriage and any paper coated terms for gay marriage like domestic partnerships and civil unions and I oppose adoptions that not by a married couple consisting of a man and woman. That said if you are in a relationship with someone and you allow that person to take on a equal parenting role for a significant portion of that child's life then one of the consequences is that person still gets visitation even after the relationship is over.
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While I disagree with you on almost everything as to your position on gay marriage I really do have respect for what you said in the bolded part of the quote, thank you.
 
EpicDude86 said:
Either way, you have a sexual preference that could be acted upon and could change at will or not at will...
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That would be bi-sexual not homosexual or heterosexual.
 
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