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Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity charges

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Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity charges

A US District Court in Florida has sentenced "extreme shock porn" gonzo director and distributor Max Hardcore, aka Paul F. Little, to four years in prison over obscenity charges. Writing for Salon, Glenn Greenwald wrote that he believes the verdict is a blow to first amendment rights:

"So, to recap, in the Land of the Free: if you're an adult who produces a film using other consenting adults, for the entertainment of still other consenting adults, which merely depicts fictional acts of humiliation and degradation, the DOJ will prosecute you and send you to prison for years. The claim that no real pain was inflicted will be rejected; mere humiliation is enough to make you a criminal. But if government officials actually subject helpless detainees in their custody to extreme mental abuse, degradation, humiliation and even mock executions long considered "torture" in the entire civilized world, the DOJ will argue that they have acted with perfect legality and, just to be sure, Congress will hand them retroactive immunity for their conduct. That's how we prioritize criminality and arrange our value system."​

The hometown Tampa, FL paper where Little was convicted wrote about the case in a condemning tone:

His pornographic persona, Max Hardcore, is all swagger and sadism - forcing women in his movies to do things that can't be described in a family newspaper. But in federal court today, as he faced a federal prison sentence, Paul F. Little trembled and begged a woman for mercy. "It just seems a very high price to pay, I think," Little told U.S. District Judge Susan Bucklew, "and I ask you to understand how much I've suffered."​

Judge Sentences Porn Producer To 46 Months In Prison (Tampa Bay Online). Similar accounts published in Max Hardcore's home town paper, The Pasadena (CA) Star-News, and in this Tampa Bay paper.

Why was Little, aka Hardcore, convicted in Florida, when the offending material was produced elsewhere and distributed in many places, even overseas? IANAL, but as I understand it: producers are subject to obscenity charges in any state the material can be downloaded when local standards deem the material to be obscene. The landmark Supreme Court case of Hustler Magazine v. Falwell is informative background reading.

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He should appeal.
 
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This is absolutely ridiculous. So when are they going to send Spielberg to prison for depicting the killing so many people? Or Peter Jackson for depicting animal cruelty. Quinton Tarantino and Rob Zombie should be on ****ing death row right now.
 
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This is absolutely ridiculous. So when are they going to send Spielberg to prison for depicting the killing so many people? Or Peter Jackson for depicting animal cruelty. Quinton Tarantino and Rob Zombie should be on ****ing death row right now.

Or John Waters for Pink Flamingos where Divine eats real dog poop.
 
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Hah. Guess I get to be the first to say that I applaud this conviction.

The material he produced was the worst kind of filth and the world would be a better place without either it or him. I can only hope that the conviction is not overturned on appeal-- and that in either case he does not simply immediately resume his disgusting and antisocial behaviors upon his release from prison.

Too much to hope for, but I cannot do otherwise.

There is a difference between depicting abuse and degradation as a subject of fictional material and glamorizing or promoting it as desirable and normal social conduct. His films did the latter and encouraged countless people to treat others as depicted in his films and to view such treatment as normal and healthy. There is no place for such things in a civilized society.
 
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The material he produced was the worst kind of filth and the world would be a better place without either it or him. I can only hope that the conviction is not overturned on appeal-- and that in either case he does not simply immediately resume his disgusting and antisocial behaviors upon his release from prison.

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It is not illegal nor should it be to be filthy and disgusting or anti social.

I consider people like Hannity filthy and disgusting as well as this this porn guy but I will fight for their rights.
 
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There is a difference between depicting abuse and degradation as a subject of fictional material and glamorizing or promoting it as desirable and normal social conduct. His films did the latter and encouraged countless people to treat others as depicted in his films and to view such treatment as normal and healthy. There is no place for such things in a civilized society.

Wat? It was porn, not a life lesson

Anybody who tries to learn normal social conduct through porn is gonna be screwed up no matter what they're watching
 
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How is this even possible? How is this not an obvious violation of the First Amendment? ****ing stupid social conservatives...
 
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Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity charges

A US District Court in Florida has sentenced "extreme shock porn" gonzo director and distributor Max Hardcore, aka Paul F. Little, to four years in prison over obscenity charges. Writing for Salon, Glenn Greenwald wrote that he believes the verdict is a blow to first amendment rights:

"So, to recap, in the Land of the Free: if you're an adult who produces a film using other consenting adults, for the entertainment of still other consenting adults, which merely depicts fictional acts of humiliation and degradation, the DOJ will prosecute you and send you to prison for years. The claim that no real pain was inflicted will be rejected; mere humiliation is enough to make you a criminal. But if government officials actually subject helpless detainees in their custody to extreme mental abuse, degradation, humiliation and even mock executions long considered "torture" in the entire civilized world, the DOJ will argue that they have acted with perfect legality and, just to be sure, Congress will hand them retroactive immunity for their conduct. That's how we prioritize criminality and arrange our value system."​

The hometown Tampa, FL paper where Little was convicted wrote about the case in a condemning tone:

His pornographic persona, Max Hardcore, is all swagger and sadism - forcing women in his movies to do things that can't be described in a family newspaper. But in federal court today, as he faced a federal prison sentence, Paul F. Little trembled and begged a woman for mercy. "It just seems a very high price to pay, I think," Little told U.S. District Judge Susan Bucklew, "and I ask you to understand how much I've suffered."​

Judge Sentences Porn Producer To 46 Months In Prison (Tampa Bay Online). Similar accounts published in Max Hardcore's home town paper, The Pasadena (CA) Star-News, and in this Tampa Bay paper.

Why was Little, aka Hardcore, convicted in Florida, when the offending material was produced elsewhere and distributed in many places, even overseas? IANAL, but as I understand it: producers are subject to obscenity charges in any state the material can be downloaded when local standards deem the material to be obscene. The landmark Supreme Court case of Hustler Magazine v. Falwell is informative background reading.

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So did the 2 girls 1 cup director ever get charged?
 
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Hah. Guess I get to be the first to say that I applaud this conviction.

The material he produced was the worst kind of filth and the world would be a better place without either it or him. I can only hope that the conviction is not overturned on appeal-- and that in either case he does not simply immediately resume his disgusting and antisocial behaviors upon his release from prison.

Too much to hope for, but I cannot do otherwise.

There is a difference between depicting abuse and degradation as a subject of fictional material and glamorizing or promoting it as desirable and normal social conduct. His films did the latter and encouraged countless people to treat others as depicted in his films and to view such treatment as normal and healthy. There is no place for such things in a civilized society.

There is this thing in the United States called the Constitution and the Bill of Rights you might want to read them.

Also I suggest you read 18 U.S.C 2427 you will find that all of the folks who were part of these films were of legal age and did these with consent.
 
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Hah. Guess I get to be the first to say that I applaud this conviction.

The material he produced was the worst kind of filth and the world would be a better place without either it or him. I can only hope that the conviction is not overturned on appeal-- and that in either case he does not simply immediately resume his disgusting and antisocial behaviors upon his release from prison.

Too much to hope for, but I cannot do otherwise.

There is a difference between depicting abuse and degradation as a subject of fictional material and glamorizing or promoting it as desirable and normal social conduct. His films did the latter and encouraged countless people to treat others as depicted in his films and to view such treatment as normal and healthy. There is no place for such things in a civilized society.
Hey he never made women eat crap (that I know of). I guess you'd better track down the 2 Girls 1 Cup director next - now that was disgusting.

BTW, you think that the film actors should be charged for actually engaging in the obscene conduct? All Max did was give them a script and start the films rolling. The actors chose to engage in the obscenity.

I've also got a list of about 1,000,000 porn videos that you might want to report to the FCC and track down since we've set a new precent for "obscenity laws" with this case. :roll:

What is it with "liberals" who scream tolerance but think it's their business to dictate to others how to be "civilized"?
 
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There is a difference between depicting abuse and degradation as a subject of fictional material and glamorizing or promoting it as desirable and normal social conduct. His films did the latter and encouraged countless people to treat others as depicted in his films and to view such treatment as normal and healthy. There is no place for such things in a civilized society.

Again, can you refer to any empirical research that illustrates a causative link between the prevalence of such material and negative consequences such as increased rates of violent or sexual crimes?
 
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Again, can you refer to any empirical research that illustrates a causative link between the prevalence of such material and negative consequences such as increased rates of violent or sexual crimes?
Nope. And I doubt he'll answer my question about whether it's fair just to charge Max, but not the actual film actors either. Or whether the 2 girls 1 cup director should be charged for "making" women eat crap.
 
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This is absolutely ridiculous. So when are they going to send Spielberg to prison for depicting the killing so many people? Or Peter Jackson for depicting animal cruelty. Quinton Tarantino and Rob Zombie should be on ****ing death row right now.

If they ever make unoriginal and uninspired remakes a crime, then, Yes Rob Zombie could be looking at some time.
 
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Holy ****ing **** he better appeal and WIN. This is absolutely unacceptable.


EDIT: Apparently this happened a year ago, though?
 
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The material he produced was the worst kind of filth and the world would be a better place without either it or him. I can only hope that the conviction is not overturned on appeal-- and that in either case he does not simply immediately resume his disgusting and antisocial behaviors upon his release from prison.

Your opinion of his work (which I happen to agree with your opinion of it) is irrelevant. If you don't approve of his work, don't buy it. There is a thing called the first amendment, you might want to read it sometime.

This case should be appealed and hopefully overturned.
 
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:lol:
Your opinion of his work (which I happen to agree with your opinion of it) is irrelevant. If you don't approve of his work, don't buy it. There is a thing called the first amendment, you might want to read it sometime.

This case should be appealed and hopefully overturned.
I don't know why he thinks that Max Hardcore's films have "corrupted normal people". How many "normal people" even know who Max Hardcore is, much less wank to that stuff? :lol:
 
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It is not illegal nor should it be to be filthy and disgusting or anti social.

Based on the fact that this conviction occurred, apparently it is still illegal, at least in the state of Florida, and while I am apparently standing alone in saying that it ought to be, I will continue standing for it. Things like the films he produces should not exist, and have no place in a civilized society-- and I will stand behind any reasonable measure designed to keep such things from being produced and distributed in civilized societies, and to keep civilized people from being exposed to them.

I consider people like Hannity filthy and disgusting as well as this this porn guy but I will fight for their rights.

There is this thing in the United States called the Constitution and the Bill of Rights you might want to read them.

People do not have any "right" to this kind of filth, and the Courts upheld this for over a hundred years before overturning it. The First Amendment was intended to protect the freedom of conscience, our right to hold our religious, moral, and political beliefs and express them freely. It was never intended to be a shield for this kind of socially and morally corrosive sludge, and the fact that it has been expanded to act as such is as a gross distortion of the law as these films are a distortion of wholesome human sexuality.

Also I suggest you read 18 U.S.C 2427 you will find that all of the folks who were part of these films were of legal age and did these with consent.

Good. That means that they can be charged as well.

Hey he never made women eat crap (that I know of). I guess you'd better track down the 2 Girls 1 Cup director next - now that was disgusting.

If I could, I would. I've thankfully managed to avoid seeing it so far, but from what I know of its content, it would certainly qualify. The fact that so many people seem to be defending this sort of conduct disturbs me. And the fact that it is impossible to enforce these laws against Internet porn producers-- who are frequently operating out of either liberal or lawless countries-- does not mean that we should not attempt to enforce them when and where we can against people who violate them domestically.

I've also got a list of about 1,000,000 porn videos that you might want to report to the FCC and track down since we've set a new precent for "obscenity laws" with this case. :roll:

New precedent? I am certain that these videos would have been found in violation of every obscenity law that has ever been written-- especially within the United States-- and that the degree to which Mr. Little has indulged in such obscenity would have been considered unthinkable in any era in which those laws were routinely enforced.

With any luck, this conviction will establish that once again there are a set of bare minimum guidelines for decency which must be observed in the production of materials for public consumption.

What is it with "liberals" who scream tolerance but think it's their business to dictate to others how to be "civilized"?

Look to the left of this, or any of my other, posts and tell me where you see the word "liberal." In fact, I dare you to find a post of mine where I endeavor to defend "rights" or freedom in general outside of a carefully constrained list-- which is limited either to those freedoms which are most conducive to a citizen being capable of fulfilling his duties to society, or to those freedoms which are essential to limiting the degree of corruption in government.

Hell, when have I ever spoken up in favor of "tolerance" as either a moral or civic virtue?
 
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People do not have any "right" to this kind of filth
Yes they do. And if I wanted to, I could exercise said right in 2 minutes of a google search right now. :lol:

our right to hold our religious, moral, and political beliefs and express them freely.
What if my religion allows me to practice cannibalism? Some tribal religions do.

It was never intended to be a shield for this kind of socially and morally corrosive sludge, and the fact that it has been expanded to act as such is as a gross distortion of the law as these films are a distortion of wholesome human sexuality.
I think the Bible should be banned because the Old Testament contains commands to kill children and infants and pimp out underage girls.

Good. That means that they can be charged as well.
More like, good luck with that. :lol:

If I could, I would. I've thankfully managed to avoid seeing it so far, but from what I know of its content, it would certainly qualify. The fact that so many people seem to be defending this sort of conduct disturbs me. And the fact that it is impossible to enforce these laws against Internet porn producers-- who are frequently operating out of either liberal or lawless countries-- does not mean that we should not attempt to enforce them when and where we can against people who violate them domestically.
Go grab a Playboy and calm down bro. :2razz:

New precedent? I am certain that these videos would have been found in violation of every obscenity law that has ever been written-- especially within the United States--
You know some states still technically have laws such as "it's illegal to hit your wife with a stick thicker than your forearm" etc etc. Here's a few just from Arizona. You think we should enforce these too?

Any misdemeanor comitted while wearing a red mask is considered a felony.
It's unlawful to refuse a person a glass of water.
In Glendale it's illegal to drive a car in reverse.
In Globe it's illegal to play cards in the street with a Native American.
In Hayden it's illegal to disturb bullfrogs or cottentailed rabbits with in the city limits.
In Nogales one can't wear suspenders.
In Tucson women can't wear pants.

Weird U.S.A Laws

and that the degree to which Mr. Little has indulged in such obscenity would have been considered unthinkable in any era in which those laws were routinely enforced.
In Iran, a girl wearing lipstick is considered "whorish and unthinkable" - but her father raping her and setting her on fire as "discipline" is considered "a just form of punishment". I guess Iran's come a lot further than we have.


With any luck, this conviction will establish that once again there are a set of bare minimum guidelines for decency which must be observed in the production of materials for public consumption.
With any luck, because this made news, Max Hardcore's film dowloads are going to increase by 1000% over the next month just out of curiosity
(even by people not normally into fetish crap). :doh

Look to the left of this, or any of my other, posts and tell me where you see the word "liberal." In fact, I dare you to find a post of mine where I endeavor to defend "rights" or freedom in general outside of a carefully constrained list-- which is limited either to those freedoms which are most conducive to a citizen being capable of fulfilling his duties to society, or to those freedoms which are essential to limiting the degree of corruption in government.

Hell, when have I ever spoken up in favor of "tolerance" as either a moral or civic virtue?
You just came across as a feminist. If you're not a liberal, then I apologise (though I can't tell the difference between a lot of social conservatives and "liberal" feminists".)

Why not just jump on the feminist bandwagon and campaign to ban "sexist" panties next?
 
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So were do you plan on starting to draw the line Korimya what you might call filth other don't, but hell lets not stop at Porn under your reasoning then any form of Explicited Films/Photos should be ban. How about Political Speach is that next shall we now pick up are Pitch Forks and Torchs and march on what ever item we find disgusting if so then I say lets start with Any Church out their because to me any form of religion is Filth.

So please let me and the rest of us know what you want to trample on next.
 
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Yes they do. And if I wanted to, I could exercise said right in 2 minutes of a google search right now. :lol:

There are a lot of things we could easily do in the next two minutes. You and I might disagree vehemently-- or even violently-- as to whether or not we had any right to do any of them. Some of them would certainly be illegal, and we would probably even agree that they ought to be.

What if my religion allows me to practice cannibalism? Some tribal religions do.

I think our laws already make adequate provision for those religious practices which violate certain of our laws. I agree with most of the places where we've held that the law outweighs any particular religious freedom, except for ritual use of psychedelics and certain funerary practices. On the whole, I am satisfied.

I think the Bible should be banned because the Old Testament contains commands to kill children and infants and pimp out underage girls.

I believe that makes it my turn to retort with "Good luck with that."

Go grab a Playboy and calm down bro. :2razz:

I don't care for Playboy, but at least it isn't filth. My worst objection to it is that the airbrushed genitals might lead virgins to think that they're supposed to look like that in real life.

You know some states still technically have laws such as "it's illegal to hit your wife with a stick thicker than your forearm" etc etc. Here's a few just from Arizona. You think we should enforce these too?

Well, that or take them off the books. Not every law which has become obsolete was wrong, and not every law that stands on the books today is right.

In any case, I support every person's legal right to wear suspenders and pants and wish more people would. I see the intent behind requiring that people share water when requested and support it, though it's probably no longer necessary and might be subject to abuse. No one should be playing cards in the street, Native American or otherwise, and I'm assuming that the prohibition on driving in reverse applies on public roads-- which seems like a good idea for me. As far as the first law? The police can take away my red masks when I can take away their black ones.

In Iran, a girl wearing lipstick is considered "whorish and unthinkable" - but her father raping her and setting her on fire as "discipline" is considered "a just form of punishment". I guess Iran's come a lot further than we have.

You know, in some ways they have. In others? Not so much. If I were exiled from here, I wouldn't likely choose Iran for my asylum. I'd comment more on the aspects of Iranian culture I find barbaric, but I don't care all that much and I tire quickly of being called a "racist" and a "cultural imperialist" by people who don't recognize that cultural relativism is a scientific tool and has little place outside of field studies.

You just came across as a feminist. If you're not a liberal, then I apologise (though I can't tell the difference between a lot of social conservatives and "liberal" feminists".)

The axe-shaped icons beneath my user name are called "fasces." They're not ironic.

And, no, I suppose there isn't all that much difference between "social conservatives" and "liberal feminists." They both have very strong views on how men and women should be expected and even forced to behave in society, regardless of any claims to "tolerance" and "diversity" on their parts, and some of those views even overlap. (Though you'll notice that neither conservatives nor feminists are jumping to my aid here.) I share this in common with them, though it's hard to tell whose vision of "proper" morality I have less in common with.

Why not just jump on the feminist bandwagon and campaign to ban "sexist" panties next?

Because I don't think panties are sexist and wouldn't care if they were. My issue with this kind of pornography isn't that it promotes the mistreatment of women specifically, it's that it promotes the mistreatment of one's sexual partners in general as well as the distortion and misuse of one's own sexuality. As far as I am concerned, fetishes like this are a disease and people like Mr. Little are a disease vector.

Some disease vectors are innocent people trying to go about their lives. Others are willful agents who try to justify their actions and their profits by hiding behind the skirts of former Supreme Court justices and "rights" that were intended to safeguard the freedom and openness of our civilized discourse. I simply don't have any problem with stepping on the latter.
 
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Hah. Guess I get to be the first to say that I applaud this conviction.

The material he produced was the worst kind of filth and the world would be a better place without either it or him. I can only hope that the conviction is not overturned on appeal-- and that in either case he does not simply immediately resume his disgusting and antisocial behaviors upon his release from prison.

Too much to hope for, but I cannot do otherwise.

There is a difference between depicting abuse and degradation as a subject of fictional material and glamorizing or promoting it as desirable and normal social conduct. His films did the latter and encouraged countless people to treat others as depicted in his films and to view such treatment as normal and healthy. There is no place for such things in a civilized society.

It is Porn! Not Snuff! :roll:
 
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I usually comment on news stories like this with my infamous catchphrase -- "terrorism is the only sensible answer" -- but the only reason he's being singled out is because he ran a large commercial venture and used the government to protect his supposed "intellectual property rights". He probably even paid taxes on his porn sales! You sleep with dogs, you wake up with fleas!

In the meantime, there's more "illegal" porn being posted on P2P networks every month than anyone can possibly view in a year. Never pay for information -- no matter if it's news, magazines, books, movies, TV shows, music, software, college lectures, or pornography -- by doing so you're only empowering the state!
 
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