Marijuana legalization hearing tomorrow in California!

[Phantom]

California state lawmakers are scheduled to hear testimony tomorrow in support of taxing and regulating the commercial production and distribution of marijuana for adults age 21 and older.

Members of the California Assembly Committee on Public Safety have called for the hearing, entitled “Examining the Fiscal and Legal Implication of the Legalization and Regulation of Marijuana.” The hearing will be chaired by Assemblyman Tom Ammiano (D-San Francisco), sponsor of Assembly Bill 390, the Marijuana Control, Regulation, and Education Act. It will take place at 10am in room 126 of the State Capitol.

A press conference will take place prior to the hearing at 9 am in Capitol Room 317.

Source: BREAKING NEWS: California Lawmakers To Debate Marijuana Legalization Tomorrow! | NORML Blog

 

[Dutch]

Personally, I wish california would just go ahead and withdraw from the union.

 

[Phantom]

Personally, I wish california would just go ahead and withdraw from the union.

That would be a sad day for Californians and the United States.

 

[Councilman]

Personally, I wish california would just go ahead and withdraw from the union.

FYI
I know these things to be true because I am a native born and raised in the greatest State in the Country. I have lived in a few other States for 22 years so I've been around. And yes I'm old enough to remember it used to be better than it is today.
As sick as California has become as a result of Granola Liberal's inability to think for themselves or as normal people several things come to mind because of this statement.
1. California provides a great deal of the Nations food supply bringing you.
Artichokes - 19%
Asparagus-55%
Broccoli-93%
Cabbage-22%
Carrots-89%
Celery-94%
Garlic-86%
Lettuce-78%
Cantaloupe-54%
Honeydew-73%
Onions-27%
Bell Peppers-47%
Spinach-18%
Tomatoes -94%
Almond-99%
Apricots-95%
Avocados-84%
Strawberries-90%
Dates-82%
Figs-98%
Grapes-88%
Kiwi-97%
Lemons-89%
Nectarines-93%
Olives-100%
Peaches-76%
Pistachios-96%
Plums-93%
Walnuts-99%
Honey-18%
Milk & Cream-21%
2. California provides 1/8th of the Nations economy over all.
3. California represents the Number 8 economy in the world if it were a country.
4. California is the Movie and Music entertainment Capital of the World.
5, California is a leader in Computer Science
And so much more
Being just 1 of 50 States California more than contributes it's fair share to the other 49 and then some.
Yes California has areas that just plane suck because of Liberalism like San Francisco. Blanket statements like the one above are irresponsible and show a lack of knowledge of the facts. I'm sure you didn't really mean it in light of the truth.

Oh the question should Pot be legal. I say yes it's one thing you can't OD on you just fall asleep.
A study years ago compared the effects of beer and Pot and the result was boiled down to this. If the user were told jump over that high jump the College students who were high on beer were unable physically to preform where those high on Pot could easily make the jump. They just kept forgetting that was the goal. It was written sort of tongue in cheek but it's true. Legalize then tax but try not to balance the budget or you just continue to promote an underground market.

 

[Dutch]

FYI
I know these things to be true because I am a native born and raised in the greatest State in the Country. I have lived in a few other States for 22 years so I've been around. And yes I'm old enough to remember it used to be better than it is today.
As sick as California has become as a result of Granola Liberal's inability to think for themselves or as normal people several things come to mind because of this statement.
1. California provides a great deal of the Nations food supply bringing you.
Artichokes - 19%
Asparagus-55%
Broccoli-93%
Cabbage-22%
Carrots-89%
Celery-94%
Garlic-86%
Lettuce-78%
Cantaloupe-54%
Honeydew-73%
Onions-27%
Bell Peppers-47%
Spinach-18%
Tomatoes -94%
Almond-99%
Apricots-95%
Avocados-84%
Strawberries-90%
Dates-82%
Figs-98%
Grapes-88%
Kiwi-97%
Lemons-89%
Nectarines-93%
Olives-100%
Peaches-76%
Pistachios-96%
Plums-93%
Walnuts-99%
Honey-18%
Milk & Cream-21%
2. California provides 1/8th of the Nations economy over all.
3. California represents the Number 8 economy in the world if it were a country.
4. California is the Movie and Music entertainment Capital of the World.
5, California is a leader in Computer Science
And so much more
Being just 1 of 50 States California more than contributes it's fair share to the other 49 and then some.
Yes California has areas that just plane suck because of Liberalism like San Francisco. Blanket statements like the one above are irresponsible and show a lack of knowledge of the facts. I'm sure you didn't really mean it in light of the truth.

Oh the question should Pot be legal. I say yes it's one thing you can't OD on you just fall asleep.
A study years ago compared the effects of beer and Pot and the result was boiled down to this. If the user were told jump over that high jump the College students who were high on beer were unable physically to preform where those high on Pot could easily make the jump. They just kept forgetting that was the goal. It was written sort of tongue in cheek but it's true. Legalize then tax but try not to balance the budget or you just continue to promote an underground market.

You left out all the good hollywood does for us too. Fact is california is BROKE, they are legalizing pot, and they have some tens of thousands of armed mexican gang members in southern california. They suck. BTW I'd gladly grow my own vegetables if I could do without california "culture" "debt" and "hollywood."

 

[Dutch]

That would be a sad day for Californians and the United States.

Just a little insite into california these days. We now have ethnic cleansing on american streets. It's looking more and more like occupied territory to me.


source

Tony Rafael addresses the David Horowitz Freedom Center Book Club Tuesday evening at the Luxe on Sunset Blvd.

He's the author of the 2007 book "The Mexican Mafia." He writes this blog. He leaps buildings in a single bound.

He says that Los Angeles spent $82 million on anti-gang programs which were almost all taken over by the Mexican Mafia and resulted in nobody leaving a gang.

He says the Mexican Mafia controls about 100,000 Latino gangsters in Southern California and that man for man, the Latino gangbangers are more powerful and more organized than their black counterparts.

Maybe we need to have affirmative action for the oppressed black gangster?

According to Publisher's Weekly:

Rafael's debut book—a study of the Southern California–based Mexican mafia told mainly from the perspective of veteran Los Angeles deputy district attorney Anthony Manzella—is a revealing but flawed work. Despite occasional national headlines about drive-by shootings that claim innocent lives (including the granddaughter of an LAPD chief), most Americans are probably unfamiliar with the powerful, loosely organized street gangs that make up the Mexican mafia. Rafael does a workmanlike job of tracing the rise of these gangs, despite the occasional factual error (e.g., the RICO statute was used to indict criminal groups besides La Cosa Nostra before the Mexican mafia), but fails to dramatize his overly detailed account of Manzella's trials. Manzella is an interesting enough figure—a dedicated workaholic throwback who doesn't use a computer, or even an electric typewriter. But Rafael gives short shrift to the sociology of the rise of the Mexican mafia. Instead, he offers a final quote from Manzella (We know exactly the kind of families that produce criminals. I'd like to go in there and take them out. But we can't do that') will leave many with a sour taste that undercuts Rafael's attempts to make the deputy DA a hero.
From the Southern Poverty Law Center:

Whenever Tony Rafael leaves home, he carries a .45-caliber handgun nestled in a holster just below his armpit. A Cold Steel Recon-1 knife is stashed elsewhere on his person. Concealed weapons permits are hard to come by in Los Angeles County, but Rafael is a special case.
For the past five years, the respected writer and gang expert -- who uses only the name he writes under in public because of his dangerous work -- has been researching one of the deadliest gangs in America for a nonfiction book he's writing on the Mexican Mafia, or "La Eme"(the Spanish word for the letter 'M'), tentatively titled Southern Soldiers. His sources are of the "L.A. Confidential" variety: prison inmates, gang members past and present, homicide detectives, FBI agents and their informants. He has volunteered for the Los Angeles Police Department, conducting long-term surveillance outside gang hangouts, and has dug up the cases of hundreds of gang members from the county court system to document the bloody swath they've cut across Los Angeles.

One heart-arresting fact the streetwise investigator recently uncovered is that Mexican Mafia leaders have declared a "green light" on African Americans found in neighborhoods claimed by the powerful prison-based gang. This means that members of Latino street gangs affiliated with the La Eme are under orders to harass, assault, and even murder African-Americans, who Mexican Mafia leaders view as sub-human.
The reason for this, Rafael has found, is that a longstanding prison gang war between the Mexican Mafia and the African-American prison gang, Black Guerilla Family, has led to a deep racial loathing between the gangs that has spilled over into the streets of Los Angeles County.

..."They don't want blacks in their neighborhoods. They say it makes their neighborhood look bad."

..."n the California prison system the Aryan Brotherhood and the Mexican Mafia have made an alliance to gang up against the Black Guerilla Family. It's common knowledge in the prison system that if there's a fight between a Mexican Mafia member and a black inmate, and there aren't enough Mexican Mafia guys to jump on his side, the Aryans are supposed to jump in on his side. This is an alliance that goes back 20 years. The Mexican Mafia and the Aryan Brotherhood have a mutual racial hatred for blacks."

"The Mexican Mafia derives inspiration and ethnic pride from the concept of La Raza (Spanish, in this context, for "The Race"), as well as from the Aztec, Aztlan movement. And this goes way back. There was a Mexican Mafia shot caller back in the 1970s named Rudolph Cheyenne Cardena, and before he was killed by rival Mexican gang members in 1978 or 1977, Cardena saw the Mexican Mafia the way George Jackson [a prominent member of the original Black Panther Party who founded the Black Guerilla Family] saw the black prison movement. He wanted to change the Mexican Mafia into a political, socially active movement, and what he used for inspiration was the Aztec culture. He taught himself Nahuatl [the ancient language of the Aztecs], started teaching it to all the other homies. In fact, to this day they still use Nahuatl to send coded messages to one another -- these kinds of three level-coded messages. You have to know the code, and then Nahuatl and so on. And one of the symbols of the Mexican Mafia is the Aztec worship [symbol]."

 

[Hatuey]

You left out all the good hollywood does for us too. Fact is california is BROKE, they are legalizing pot, and they have some tens of thousands of armed mexican gang members in southern california. They suck. BTW I'd gladly grow my own vegetables if I could do without california "culture" "debt" and "hollywood."

We had thousands of armed black gangs before Mexicans. Your concern is not needed in that area. It's see through and nothing more than the feigned concern of anti-Mexican bigots. I love the whole 'OH MEXICAN GANGS!' like California isn't the homeland of gangbanging. Seriously. Gang members weren't a concern to the Minute Men 20 years ago when blacks were killing each other by the dozens in LB, Pasadena & Compton. And Hollywood has the GDP higher then that of most Midwestern states. Seriously. One of our cities could probably contribute more to this country than some entire states. Don't talk trash about California. You'll lose. Quick.

 

[Phantom]

I'm watching the hearing right now: The California Channel: Video on Demand

 

[Orion]

If just one state can pass it, the benefits will make others consider doing the same.

 

[Dutch]

We had thousands of armed black gangs before Mexicans. Your concern is not needed in that area. It's see through and nothing more than the feigned concern of anti-Mexican bigots. I love the whole 'OH MEXICAN GANGS!' like California isn't the homeland of gangbanging. Seriously. Gang members weren't a concern to the Minute Men 20 years ago when blacks were killing each other by the dozens in LB, Pasadena & Compton. And Hollywood has the GDP higher then that of most Midwestern states. Seriously. One of our cities could probably contribute more to this country than some entire states. Don't talk trash about California. You'll lose. Quick.

Oh let's do. So....please defend ethnic cleansing in LA. :mrgreen:


souce

Newsweek is reporting that Federal prosecutors say a powerful Latino gang systematically targeted rival black gang members and innocent black civilians in a reign of terror.


Reporter Andrew Murr writes that a south Los Angeles Latino street gang targeted African-American gang rivals and other blacks in a campaign of neighborhood "cleansing," federal prosecutors say.

"Alleged leaders and foot soldiers in the Hispanic gang Florencia 13, also called F13, are being arraigned this week on charges stemming from a pair of federal indictments that allege that the gang kept a tight grip on its turf by shooting members of a rival gang—and sometimes random black civilians," writes Murr.

The "most disturbing aspect" of the federal charges was that "innocent citizens … ended up being shot simply because of the color of their skin," U.S. Attorney Thomas O'Brien told reporters in announcing the indictments, according to the Newsweek report.

Murr cites that drug turf wars are at the heart of the enmity beteen the gangs of Latinos and the Blacks.

"L.A. Sheriff's Department statistics chart the war's violent toll: 80 gang-related shootings in the past three years, including 20 murders," writes Murr.

The indictments provide a telling snapshot of the changing nature of gangs in south L.A. According to federal prosecutors, F13 has grown into a tightly controlled gang of 2,000 members in 30 cliques led by convicts and parolees who are members of the prison-based Mexican mafia, reports Murr.....

 

[Dutch]

If just one state can pass it, the benefits will make others consider doing the same.

Please list the benefits of greater amounts of marijuana on our streets.

 

[Dr_Patrick]

Please list the benefits of greater amounts of marijuana on our streets.

I will never understand the irrational fear some people have for marijuana. How is it any worse than alcohol? Explain the benefits of great amounts of alcohol on our streets or any other legal drug.

 

[Dutch]

I will never understand the irrational fear some people have for marijuana. How is it any worse than alcohol? Explain the benefits of great amounts of alcohol on our streets or any other legal drug.

That's easy. There are no benefits to great amounts of alcohol on our streets. It kills and maims, and destroys lives and families. Other than that I have little agains't it.

 

[Dr_Patrick]

That's easy. There are no benefits to great amounts of alcohol on our streets. It kills and maims, and destroys lives and families. Other than that I have little agains't it.

Actually, it doesn't really do anything. People who abuse it do things. The same exact thing could be said about marijuana. So, aside from that, why do you have a problem with marijuana and not alcohol?

 

[MKULTRABOY]

Actually, it doesn't really do anything. People who abuse it do things. The same exact thing could be said about marijuana. So, aside from that, why do you have a problem with marijuana and not alcohol?

Since when did marijuana cause car accidents and wife beatings?

 

[Dr_Patrick]

Since when did marijuana cause car accidents and wife beatings?

Alcohol doesn't cause that either, though. That's my only point. It's the person abusing the substance that does these things. I don't know why people choose to make scapegoats out of inanimate objects. I miss the days when people actually took responsibility for their own actions.

 

[MKULTRABOY]

I disagree, some people are literally more predisposed to violence when intoxicated on alcohol.

 

[Phantom]

Please list the benefits of greater amounts of marijuana on our streets.

Let me school you for a second. First of all, Marijuana is already on the streets and it's being sold to minors. You know why? It's because the substance is unregulated and driven underground. To answer your question though, there are no benefits to any amount of Marijuana being on our streets... The substance actually belongs in a regulated market like any other product with age restrictions. Yes, that same place you would go to buy liquor and cigarettes.

You can thank one group of people for Marijuana being on the street. This group I'm talking about is none other then the prohibitionists themselves.

 

[Dr_Patrick]

I disagree, some people are literally more predisposed to violence when intoxicated on alcohol.

That still doesn't mean the alcohol is to blame. If people are irresponsible with alcohol, they should take responsibility for their action instead of blaming an inanimate object for their troubles.

 

[Hatuey]

Oh let's do. So....please defend ethnic cleansing in LA. :mrgreen:


souce

Your ignorance regarding gangs is amazing. Troll on.

 

[scourge99]

Please list the benefits of greater amounts of marijuana on our streets.

Only if you explain why we also don't ban the following:
Candy
junk food
Fast cars
Oversized cars
Expensive cars
Infertile married couples
Pet rocks

Its called liberty.

 

[winston53660]

Please list the benefits of greater amounts of marijuana on our streets.

There is going tobe more pot on market, LOL

 

[marduc]

Please list the benefits of greater amounts of marijuana on our streets.

Please list the reasons why a regulated legal distribution would result in a larger amount of marijuana being on our streets than we have currently with an unregulated insanely profitable black market distribution.

 

[Dutch]

Only if you explain why we also don't ban the following:
Candy
junk food
Fast cars
Oversized cars
Expensive cars
Infertile married couples
Pet rocks

Its called liberty.

None of the above is a injurious to our society as marijuana......except for maybe the pet rocks.

 

[marduc]

None of the above is a injurious to our society as marijuana......except for maybe the pet rocks.

Are you just going to pop in for a one line drive by, or are you going to substantiate this?

Go ahead, this should be easy for ya, explain to us all how much more injurious to society marijuana is in comparison to junk food. spell it out for us.

Although my initial impulse is to let you hang yourself, I'll give you a heads up here, The effects of marijuana prohibition on society are a distinct entity independent of the effects of marijuana the drug.