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Why the Puplic Option is a failure

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A couple things I would like to point out Speaker of the Maine House Hannah Pingree was the chair of the Health and Human Service Committee this is the committee that oversee's Dirgo Health. She also is one of the most Left Wing Democrates in the State. So when she say's its a failure then I think some folks in DC need to start listing.

The other item is please noted that both Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe are against any Puplic Option.
 
I saw this on TV, Washington is too stupid to listen. Amazing with the size of Obama's ears, you'd think he could. But when you know it better than anyone else, that's the common downside.
 
Is Snowe against the triggered public option? I haven't seen too much recent info on that, but she was advocating for a triggered public option.


Dirigo Health is a bust. It is not big enough, and the coverage it offered was crappy. I'm sure Dirigo, along with other various state experiments, did inform much of the structure of the current options being considered.

I'd say Dirigo is a good argument for a widely available, robust public option, along with an individual mandate. It needed a wider base of subscribers, and not just sick ones.

(btw, here's a link to a transcript: 'Universal Nightmare 2.0' Special: The Maine Lesson - Hannity - FOXNews.com )
 
jackalope said:
Is Snowe against the triggered public option? I haven't seen too much recent info on that, but she was advocating for a triggered public option.


Dirigo Health is a bust. It is not big enough, and the coverage it offered was crappy. I'm sure Dirigo, along with other various state experiments, did inform much of the structure of the current options being considered.

I'd say Dirigo is a good argument for a widely available, robust public option, along with an individual mandate. It needed a wider base of subscribers, and not just sick ones.

(btw, here's a link to a transcript: 'Universal Nightmare 2.0' Special: The Maine Lesson - Hannity - FOXNews.com )
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From what I have been hearing, she is expected to still support a triggered option, and that is the most likely form to come out of the senate, largely to appease her.
 
Redress said:
From what I have been hearing, she is expected to still support a triggered option, and that is the most likely form to come out of the senate, largely to appease her.
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So the future of American health care is dependent upon the preference of one person out of 300 million.

I'm pretty sure this is not the way it was supposed to work.
 
Don't Tase Me Bro said:
So the future of American health care is dependent upon the preference of one person out of 300 million.

I'm pretty sure this is not the way it was supposed to work.
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Do you really think that only one person in 300 million supports a public health care option?

Whether we like it or not, leaders are required to make the system work. When people in these leadership positions make decisions that we support, we like it. When they make decisions we do not like, we do not like it.

Anything that gets through the Congressional system must convince a mjority of the Congress that it is right. It must also have a sizeable enough majority to override a veto to become law, and then there is still the possibility of the Supreme Court striking down a stupid law.

There is a way to influence the system: Vote. Somebody voted for the people in Congress, and the people in Congress elected their leaders.

There is just no way that any Congressional leader can appease every political block in America. It won't happen. That is the nature of our country.
 
Don't Tase Me Bro said:
So the future of American health care is dependent upon the preference of one person out of 300 million.

I'm pretty sure this is not the way it was supposed to work.
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It's not, without 60(or 50 with reconciliation), it will never pass, and further, those people represent the will of their constituents, who can remove them any election.
 
gree0232 said:
Do you really think that only one person in 300 million supports a public health care option?

Whether we like it or not, leaders are required to make the system work. When people in these leadership positions make decisions that we support, we like it. When they make decisions we do not like, we do not like it.

Anything that gets through the Congressional system must convince a mjority of the Congress that it is right. It must also have a sizeable enough majority to override a veto to become law, and then there is still the possibility of the Supreme Court striking down a stupid law.

There is a way to influence the system: Vote. Somebody voted for the people in Congress, and the people in Congress elected their leaders.

There is just no way that any Congressional leader can appease every political block in America. It won't happen. That is the nature of our country.
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No, the welfare whores who want something for nothing in Maine want a public option, so she supports it.
 
Screw this debate over Public Option as framed by politicians who don't give a damn about what "We The People" want or need. This who HOAX of reform has nothing whatever to do with your health care it's about control.
The house came out with a 1,000 plus page idea, and the senate has one over 1,500 pages.
I say take 10 Democrats, 10 Republicans, 10 Doctors lock them in a room with no windows and only a bathroom no food only water and give them 10 sheets of paper and tell them you get to go home and get some sleep when you come up with health care reform. We'll tackle insurance reform next and separately.
Oh yea I'd also tell Obama to sit down shut up and you get to sign the law but you don't get to make it into a socialist system.

All this B.S. is not solving a damn thing it's only leading us into bigger government and giving that government more control over our lives and taking our freedoms away and it's not necessary to fix the problems. What is required is as my father used to tell me when approaching any task. Be systematic and logical determine a starting point and work in that direction until you reach your goal. Complicating everything we do is what got us into this mess in the first place. Making sense for a change could get us out.
 
American said:
No, the welfare whores who want something for nothing in Maine want a public option, so she supports it.
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May I ask who is "She" you are referring to ??
 
I seem to remember some state or other (think it was Michigan?) tried a state sponsered statewide health care system. Last I heard it was an abysmal failure. What makes the federal government think that they can do better for a whole country?
 
Councilman said:
Screw this debate over Public Option as framed by politicians who don't give a damn about what "We The People" want or need. This who HOAX of reform has nothing whatever to do with your health care it's about control.
The house came out with a 1,000 plus page idea, and the senate has one over 1,500 pages.
I say take 10 Democrats, 10 Republicans, 10 Doctors lock them in a room with no windows and only a bathroom no food only water and give them 10 sheets of paper and tell them you get to go home and get some sleep when you come up with health care reform. We'll tackle insurance reform next and separately.
Oh yea I'd also tell Obama to sit down shut up and you get to sign the law but you don't get to make it into a socialist system.

All this B.S. is not solving a damn thing it's only leading us into bigger government and giving that government more control over our lives and taking our freedoms away and it's not necessary to fix the problems. What is required is as my father used to tell me when approaching any task. Be systematic and logical determine a starting point and work in that direction until you reach your goal. Complicating everything we do is what got us into this mess in the first place. Making sense for a change could get us out.
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The only outcome I see here is 30 dead bodies.
This is a very tempting idea, I have thought about it myself..
Like it or nor, we are a social creature, deep down, and we will become more social, as we progress.
INI, its the insurance that is the problem.
Why is this ?
 
earthworm said:
INI, its the insurance that is the problem.
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The problem is not just insurance. The government (state and federal) has screwed up the whole medical care system (with medicare and medicaid and various mandates) and now wants to "fix" it by taking it over entirely. By regulating it very closely, as proposed, the takeover will be effective in substance if not in form.

Like any economic product, health care needs to be relatively free of government interference. Some light regulation to protect consumers would be fine, but economic regulation never produces good results over time.

The innovation needed to truly reduce the cost of medical care will come only with freedom. Insurance costs can be reduced only if the costs of medical care are reduced. Most of the current health care proposals will reduce freedom and will increase costs and inhibit innovation.

Providing a better mechanism to fund health care for those who can't afford it is fine. But, that doesn't require a total takeover of the system.
 
The public option is just a vote ensuring democrat dream. Cause once it's in, it never goes away, and those people enslaved to the system will never believe they can survive without it and will always vote for those that give them other peoples money.

And that's sad really, so many people that believe they have to have help from the Government willing to throw away their personal freedom and liberty at the cost of forcing others to pay for them. So far we've drifted from the ideals that made us a Great nation.
 
The only reason this may fail is because people compromised and gave into the private health insurance companies, the conservatives, and moderates. What should have happened was a total change in the system and single payer only, getting for profit health care out of the way.

That said, the public option would also work if the conservatives would get their heads out of their asses and back it. Conservadems and Republicans have really screwed the American people by allowing us to be ruled by for profit health insurance corporations. How wonderful.

Anyway, Snowe has said she is not for a trigger as well. She compromised and came up with the idea and is now backing out like the rest of her Republican counterparts. It was all a ruse to screw us and get more contributions from the HCI.

I hope that if a trigger option does go through, it is triggered the first week after passing. That would make my day. And, if the trigger is tripped, the option had better be stronger than anything they would have gotten with a straight option.
 
formerroadie said:
The only reason this may fail is because people compromised and gave into the private health insurance companies, the conservatives, and moderates. What should have happened was a total change in the system and single payer only, getting for profit health care out of the way.

That said, the public option would also work if the conservatives would get their heads out of their asses and back it. Conservadems and Republicans have really screwed the American people by allowing us to be ruled by for profit health insurance corporations. How wonderful.

Anyway, Snowe has said she is not for a trigger as well. She compromised and came up with the idea and is now backing out like the rest of her Republican counterparts. It was all a ruse to screw us and get more contributions from the HCI.

I hope that if a trigger option does go through, it is triggered the first week after passing. That would make my day. And, if the trigger is tripped, the option had better be stronger than anything they would have gotten with a straight option.
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The only ones that support single payer are those that believe that people aren't smart enough to support themselves and need government to get it right.

Tyranny comes in many forms, and it always amazes me the number of people willingly seeking to be ruled over by others.
 
formerroadie said:
The only reason this may fail is because people compromised and gave into the private health insurance companies, the conservatives, and moderates. What should have happened was a total change in the system and single payer only, getting for profit health care out of the way.

That said, the public option would also work if the conservatives would get their heads out of their asses and back it. Conservadems and Republicans have really screwed the American people by allowing us to be ruled by for profit health insurance corporations. How wonderful.

Anyway, Snowe has said she is not for a trigger as well. She compromised and came up with the idea and is now backing out like the rest of her Republican counterparts. It was all a ruse to screw us and get more contributions from the HCI.

I hope that if a trigger option does go through, it is triggered the first week after passing. That would make my day. And, if the trigger is tripped, the option had better be stronger than anything they would have gotten with a straight option.
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What you are trying to say is the far left doesn't have the votes to pass their idea of health care reform........ thank God.
 
formerroadie said:
Anyway, Snowe has said she is not for a trigger as well. She compromised and came up with the idea and is now backing out like the rest of her Republican counterparts. It was all a ruse to screw us and get more contributions from the HCI.

I hope that if a trigger option does go through, it is triggered the first week after passing. That would make my day. And, if the trigger is tripped, the option had better be stronger than anything they would have gotten with a straight option.
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Wrong you have no clue what your talking about. Olympia didn't come up with the trigger option we had this in Maine she would never agree to it. The reason she voted for it to be moved out of committee is to have a full floor debate and vote, but then again most of you have no clue about Olympia voting record.

Also the puplic option is a clear violation of the 1st Adm plain and simple, Congress can;t tell us what we can and can't choice nor can they tell us either you wil or we are going to fine you. It's time for someone to file a Class Action Lawsuit against Congress over this whole mess.
 
Kal'Stang said:
What makes the federal government think that they can do better for a whole country?
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They can't. Anything the government gets total control of will be a failure, both economically and in quality. To see what a government- run health care system will be like, all you need to do is visit your local public hospital/clinic or a VA facility. There are a handful of VA hospitals that are high-quality, but the general consensus from the vets I know who use VA clinics and hospitals is negative. Much of it is due to the bureaucracy, red tape, and inefficiency.
 
lizzie said:
They can't. Anything the government gets total control of will be a failure, both economically and in quality. To see what a government- run health care system will be like, all you need to do is visit your local public hospital/clinic or a VA facility. There are a handful of VA hospitals that are high-quality, but the general consensus from the vets I know who use VA clinics and hospitals is negative. Much of it is due to the bureaucracy, red tape, and inefficiency.
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When you remove the profit incentive.. it's amazing how quality goes down hill isn't it?
 
Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) said Tuesday that he’d back a GOP filibuster of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s health care reform bill.


Lieberman, who caucuses with Democrats and is positioning himself as a fiscal hawk on the issue, said he opposes any health care bill that includes a government-run insurance program — even if it includes a provision allowing states to opt out of the program, as Reid has said the Senate bill will.


"We're trying to do too much at once," Lieberman said. “To put this government-created insurance company on top of everything else is just asking for trouble for the taxpayers, for the premium payers and for the national debt. I don’t think we need it now."
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Joe Lieberman: I'll block vote on Harry Reid's plan - Manu Raju - POLITICO.com

:shock:
 
MrVicchio said:
When you remove the profit incentive.. it's amazing how quality goes down hill isn't it?
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Yes, it is. I'm not sure if it's because it is in our nature, as humans, to expect reward for a good service or product, or if it's an American mentality thing. I tend to think the former is more likely. With health care, we have a mixed bag, in a manner of speaking. Most of the people who provide direct hands-on care of people and their health matters, have at least a moderate amount of altruism in their psychological make-up. Sure, they want to be paid well for their work, but they also do it because they care about the well-being of others. Many in the patient care professions know that government-run health care will limit their ability to perform a high-quality service for their patients. I have worked in both public and private health care facilities. The patient care and attitudes of personnel are, by far, better in the private sector.
 
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