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ACLU Says Extracting DNA From Suspects Unconstitutional

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A lawsuit (.pdf), filed by the American Civil Liberties Union on behalf of two Californians who were arrested and released, seeks to overturn a voter-approved law that became effective this year. Proposition 69 requires detainees to provide a saliva or sometimes a blood sample upon felony arrest. The sample is stored in state and FBI databases, even if the arrested person is never charged or convicted of a crime.
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Yea, I know the ACLU once again is trying to coddle crooks and the police are just completely honest and we shouldnt question them.

ACLU Says Extracting DNA From Suspects Unconstitutional | Threat Level | Wired.com
 
I actually agree with the ACLU here.

Not in the act of taking it, I actually don't mind them doing that. I have issue with it being stored and not destroyed regardless of a conviction
 
Kinda iffy on this one. DNA is like a fingerprint. We still keep fingerprints of everyone arrested whether convicted or not.
 
Keorythe said:
Kinda iffy on this one. DNA is like a fingerprint. We still keep fingerprints of everyone arrested whether convicted or not.
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We shouldn't be doing that either.
 
The ACLU is irrelevant and will remain so until they respond to my question regarding language including their position on the phrase "typical white people"!:mrgreen:
 
Kandahar said:
We shouldn't be doing that either.
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Yaeh, it makes it too easy to track down repeat offenders. Makes body identification too easy, too. Need to stop that immediately.
 
apdst said:
Yaeh, it makes it too easy to track down repeat offenders.
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"Repeat offenders" implies that the person has already been convicted of something. We're talking about taking DNA or fingerprints from a SUSPECT (read: a person who has not been convicted of any crime).

apdst said:
Makes body identification too easy, too. Need to stop that immediately.
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So you would be in favor of requiring everyone in America to submit their DNA samples and fingerprints to the government?
 
Kandahar said:
"Repeat offenders" implies that the person has already been convicted of something. We're talking about taking DNA or fingerprints from a SUSPECT (read: a person who has not been convicted of any crime).
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No matter. I've been finger printed probably 10 times in my life for background checks. I don't have a problem with my prints being filed somewhere.



So you would be in favor of requiring everyone in America to submit their DNA samples and fingerprints to the government?
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Sure, I've done it numerous times. What harm will it do? Make it easier to catch you if you committ a crime? Well, don't committ a crime.
 
apdst said:
No matter. I've been finger printed probably 10 times in my life for background checks. I don't have a problem with my prints being filed somewhere.






Sure, I've done it numerous times. What harm will it do? Make it easier to catch you if you committ a crime? Well, don't committ a crime.
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OK. Would you also like for the government to have a database detailing everyone's bank account information? It'll make it much easier to catch white collar criminals that way. Should the government have a database of everyone's library and video store rentals, and their complete web history and keystroke logs? This could prevent lots of crime.

If you aren't committing crimes, then you have nothing to worry about. Right? :roll:
 
Kandahar said:
OK. Would you also like for the government to have a database detailing everyone's bank account information? It'll make it much easier to catch white collar criminals that way. Should the government have a database of everyone's library and video store rentals, and their complete web history and keystroke logs? This could prevent lots of crime.

If you aren't committing crimes, then you have nothing to worry about. Right? :roll:
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Apples and oranges, my friend.
 
ACLU should have changed their name to SDZI (Socialist Demagogues with Zero Integrity) after dropping their support for gun rights...:thumbdown

There is such thing as a natural right to privacy.
 
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Biometric data should not be obtained from people who aren't charged and subject to court proceedings. If the case gets thrown out the data should be destroyed.
 
As part of a merit badge for Boy Scouts, I gave my fingerprint gladly at a police station. If I ever commit a crime, all they will see is that I am in their database and have no record. I don't see what the problem is for the government to be able to know someones identity. I would have no problem with the whole nation having their DNA and fingerprints recorded. I think it would be a waste of time and tax-payers money, but there are worse things that we can and do spend our tax money on.

In what situation that does not involve a criminal investigation, would the government or police ever use someone's DNA or fingerprint? What is wrong with establishing someone's identity? And no, this has absolutely no similarity in any way to bank accounts or other tracking methods. This is a laughable comparison, since one identifies someone in a relatively inexpensive way, the other has nothing to do with identification and everything to do with intrusion into ones personal life at the expense of the tax-payer.
 
Well, I thouoght DNA samples of all new borns were stored "somewhere" for identification should they be involved in a crime as a victim. I am not certain.
 
They should take it from their brains.
 
Truly amazing.

Many of those railing against the government's having fingerprints and DNA profiles on the good citizens are the same ones advocating government run healthcare. Once that is in place, your benevolent masters in Washington will have a lot more on you than just indentifying information. :roll:

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TOJ said:
Truly amazing.

Many of those railing against the government's having fingerprints and DNA profiles on the good citizens are the same ones advocating government run healthcare. Once that is in place, your benevolent masters in Washington will have a lot more on you than just indentifying information. :roll:

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Would be true if you could find any proof that I support government health care.
 
My question is: what is the difference between the government having your fingerprints or DNA on file and them having your gun's serial information or ballistic fingerprint on record?
 
apdst said:
No matter. I've been finger printed probably 10 times in my life for background checks. I don't have a problem with my prints being filed somewhere.






Sure, I've done it numerous times. What harm will it do? Make it easier to catch you if you committ a crime? Well, don't committ a crime.
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You probably have no problem with the police coming into your house anytime they want...at any hour.....with or without a warrant?


Right?

I mean....if you haven't committed a crime...you've got nothing to hide.:doh
 
the makeout hobo said:
My question is: what is the difference between the government having your fingerprints or DNA on file and them having your gun's serial information or ballistic fingerprint on record?
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Nobody can steal your fingerprints or DNA and use it to commit a crime.
 
Coronado said:
Where are you going with this?
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I'm just saying it doesn't make sense, to me, to not be worried about DNA being kept on file, but to be worried about gun information kept on file.
 
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