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Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

As self defined though. I wouldn't imagine most people would admit to being a wingnut if asked themselves.
 
Ikari said:
As self defined though. I wouldn't imagine most people would admit to being a wingnut if asked themselves.
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Do you think I am extremely far to the left?
 
Redress said:
Using the source linked above(since I got it still open):

Voted against Extending Federal Emergency Unemployment Benefits.

Voted against funding for both Iraq and Afghanistan

Voted against needle exchange programs

Voted against improvements to student loan programs

Voted for impeachment of Clinton

voted against a bill to authorize $1.01 billion for the 2009 fiscal year to rebuild structurally deficient bridges on the National Highway System and to require states to devise plans for the replacement of such bridges.

Voted against GI Bill expansion

Voted against Establishment of the Office of Congressional Ethics

Voted for the Secure Fence act

Voted against the United States-India Agreement for Cooperation on Peaceful Uses of Nuclear Energy.

Voted for An amendment to prohibit any funds to be used by the FDA for the testing, development, or approval (including approval of production, manufacturing, or distribution) of any drug for the chemical inducement of abortion

Voted against stem cell research

voted yes to to adopt an amendment that would ban federal funding in the District of Columbia for couples who want to adopt a child but are not related by blood or marriage.

Voted yes to adopt an amendment that gives states the option to display the Ten Commandments in public buildings or on public property.

Voted against VA and HUD funding

Sponsored the 2005 version of Sanctity of Life Act

I can go on into his comments and positions if you really want.
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Okay, you have a list of things he's done. Pick one and explain why it makes him a "wing-nut".
 
Ethereal said:
Okay, you have a list of things he's done. Pick one and explain why it makes him a "wing-nut".
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Wanting to build a fence across 2000 miles of mostly uninhabited, unpatrolable, unwelcoming territory seems pretty nutty to me.
 
Hatuey said:
Wanting to build a fence across 2000 miles of mostly uninhabited, unpatrolable, unwelcoming territory seems pretty nutty to me.
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Ineffective as well. Fences will not stop people from entering illegally. This is one I find particularly nutty, as well as the Sanctity of Life Act.
 
Redress said:
Ineffective as well. Fences will not stop people from entering illegally. This is one I find particularly nutty, as well as the Sanctity of Life Act.
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Stop hating the constitution for thinking the religious beliefs of certain people have nothing to do with how you live your life!
 
Joe1991 said:
The one area where I'll bash Ron Paul is that he has always played up to the conspiracy theorist crowd.

As a well known political figure, he needs to learn discretion.

When he hangs around nuts like Bachman or goes on Alex Jones' radio show, he's giving them credibility.
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That is a load of BS...

The Alex Jones Show was the ONLY place that let the man explain his points without calling him nuts... don't make me look for the videos where every means possible was used to discredit Paul.

If there had been a fair debate on the issues Ron Paul would have got like 80% of the vote...
 
Hatuey said:
Wanting to build a fence across 2000 miles of mostly uninhabited, unpatrolable, unwelcoming territory seems pretty nutty to me.
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What kind of fence is it?

Is the fence the only thing in the bill?

Are you sure it's 2000 miles?

Did you know that Barack Obama voted in favor it, too?

:2wave:
 
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BmanMcfly said:
If there had been a fair debate on the issues Ron Paul would have got like 80% of the vote...
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....What is 'unfair' about this debate?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hfa7vT02lA"]YouTube - Congressman Ron Paul at the First GOP Presidential Debate[/ame]
 
BmanMcfly said:
That is a load of BS...

The Alex Jones Show was the ONLY place that let the man explain his points without calling him nuts... don't make me look for the videos where every means possible was used to discredit Paul.

If there had been a fair debate on the issues Ron Paul would have got like 80% of the vote...
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Ron Paul had an ample opportunity to present himself to the public and they simply didn't like him. No amount of airtime or exposure is going to change Ron Paul's awkward appearance and presentation, which are two of the most important qualities to the American voter (Re: Obama); sad but true.

And I don't expect his association with 9/11-truthers-types (Re: You) is going to help him either.

Ron Paul does not think the government had anything to do with 9/11, so you should really stop treating him like your group's special guy in Washington. If Ron Paul wasn't so nice he'd tell the Truthers to piss off...
 
Ethereal said:
What kind of fence is it?
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This kind :

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006]Secure Fence Act of 2006 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

The Secure Fence Act of 2006 (Pub.L. 109-367) was enacted October 26, 2006[1] in the United States. The act allows for over 700 miles (1,100 km) of double-reinforced fence to be built along the border with Mexico, across cities and deserts alike, in the U.S. states of California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas in areas that have experienced illegal drug trafficking and illegal immigration. It authorizes the installation of more lighting, vehicle barriers, and border checkpoints, while putting in place more advanced equipment like sensors, cameras, satellites and unmanned aerial vehicles in an attempt to watch and control illegal immigration into the United States.
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Ron Paul on the Issues

YES on building a fence along the Mexican border
Rated 83% by USBC, indicating a sealed-border stance
Voted NO on military border patrols to battle drugs & terrorism.
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Is the fence the only thing in the bill?
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Considering the fence is called 'the Secure Fence Act' I doubt they also want to put in snow bunnies.

Are you sure it's 2000 miles?
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1,969. You got me. I was off by 31. Makes him 31 miles less insanely crazy or retarded if it makes you feel better.

Did you know that Barack Obama voted in favor it, too?
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Pssst. Barack Obama isn't also calling for an investigation on a silly witch hunt of the Fed, claiming some higher knowledge of the 'original intent' of the constitution, calling for going back to the Gold standardin 2009, pulling out of the UN, NATO, NAFTA etc, using his religious beliefs to dictate whether a woman should get an abortion, doing away with the income tax in his first week as President, doing away with the department of education etc. Your strawman seems to think that people claim ONE issue and ONE political opinion make Ron Paul an insane old man living in the 21st century. A group of these does. But if you'd like to believe that wanting to build a fence is all that makes Ron Paul a modern day political luddite. By all means.

Your blind devotion and inconsistency when it comes to this guy is almost funny. Specially considering your ardent defence of drugs. The same person who thinks the government has no business fighting drug trafficking(his continued attacks on funding for the DEA) is the same guy who won't vote for funding of needle exchange & rehabilitation programs. And then you like a good little Pauldier come on the forum and scream about the wonders claimed by studied regarding what legalizing drugs has done for a 3rd world European irrelevancy like Portugal when the very reason they claim they've had these success is because of government funded needle exchange and rehabilitation programs.

Then come other issues like his typical Christian refusal to put the 'souls' of goo in a petri dish before that of living human beings simply because he has some silly Dr. Seuss fueled belief that a bunch of cells glued together in a test tube consist of life.

Aren't you a marine? I mean can you imagine if Ron Paul was a Democrat voting against the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan AND also voting against funding for the troops? The calls of treason and hating the troops would never stop. But we're supposed to let you and a bunch of other internet teenagers tell us that he's some sort of revelation when in reality he's just some old man who's got a grandious sense of self and like a political Jim Jones gets off on telling people he knows what the founders really meant? Like, he was, you know there? Sorry my son. This game of 'one issue' makes Ron Paul crazy you seem to want to play is not one most people will go along with.
 
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Hatuey said:
This kind :

Secure Fence Act of 2006 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




Ron Paul on the Issues





Considering the fence is called 'the Secure Fence Act' I doubt they also want to put in snow bunnies.



1,969. You got me. I was off by 31. Makes him 31 miles less insanely crazy or retarded if it makes you feel better.



Pssst. Barack Obama isn't also calling for an investigation on a silly witch hunt of the Fed, claiming some higher knowledge of the 'original intent' of the constitution, calling for going back to the Gold standardin 2009, pulling out of the UN, NATO, NAFTA etc, using his religious beliefs to dictate whether a woman should get an abortion, doing away with the income tax in his first week as President, doing away with the department of education etc. Your strawman seems to think that people claim ONE issue and ONE political opinion make Ron Paul an insane old man living in the 21st century. A group of these does. But if you'd like to believe that wanting to build a fence is all that makes Ron Paul a modern day political luddite. By all means.

Your blind devotion and inconsistency when it comes to this guy is almost funny. Specially considering your ardent defence of drugs. The same person who thinks the government has no business fighting drug trafficking(his continued attacks on funding for the DEA) is the same guy who won't vote for funding of needle exchange & rehabilitation programs. And then you like a good little Pauldier come on the forum and scream about the wonders claimed by studied regarding what legalizing drugs has done for a 3rd world European irrelevancy like Portugal when the very reason they claim they've had these success is because of government funded needle exchange and rehabilitation programs.

Then come other issues like his typical Christian refusal to put the 'souls' of goo in a petri dish before that of living human beings simply because he has some silly Dr. Seuss fueled belief that a bunch of cells glued together in a test tube consist of life.

Aren't you a marine? I mean can you imagine if Ron Paul was a Democrat voting against the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan AND also voting against funding for the troops? The calls of treason and hating the troops would never stop. But we're supposed to let you and a bunch of other internet teenagers tell us that he's some sort of revelation when in reality he's just some old man who's got a grandious sense of self and like a political Jim Jones gets off on telling people he knows what the founders really meant? Like, he was, you know there? Sorry my son. This game of 'one issue' makes Ron Paul crazy you seem to want to play is not one most people will go along with.
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The joys of being a liberal. If you agree with Obama, you have "drank the koolaid" and "worship your messiah", but speak poorly of ole Ron Paul, and you are just unreasonable and hate the constitution. No one ever gives us credit for actually arriving at our positions in a reasoned manner.
 
Redress said:
The joys of being a liberal. If you agree with Obama, you have "drank the koolaid" and "worship your messiah", but speak poorly of ole Ron Paul, and you are just unreasonable and hate the constitution. No one ever gives us credit for actually arriving at our positions in a reasoned manner.
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If you scream that you know what people who lived 300+ years meant when they wrote some of the vaguest words known to man.

You're not crazy.

If you think being President will allow you to get rid of the income tax within your first week like some sort of magical power.

You're not crazy.

If you think pulling out of every major international defense, trade, communications agreement we have is a good thing in the 21st century.

You're not crazy.

If you think that goo in a dish has a higher priority than people you can actually see.

You're not crazy.

If you voted against the war AND funding for the troops.

You're not a traitor or hate the troops.

But it's all about some f'n 1969 mile fence.

People only think Ron Paul is crazy because he wants to build a fence among mostly unpatrolable territory.

Because of all the other silly **** he thinks he'd do if he were President isn't enough like being President is some sort of magical power. I mean Obama has a majority in Congress and he's having trouble getting a health bill passed. But had Ron Paul or somebody more moderate in the presentation would have won and EVERYTHING would have been different. They would have done away with the Income Tax in a week. They would have gotten Chuck Norris to scare the fence into building itself. They would have overturned 30+ years of Roe V. Wade. They would have kicked the UN out of NY. They would have fixed America. Because they would have known exatcly what the founders ment.

Obviously the office of President is some magical possition you get where you can do whatever you want. It doesn't matter what Congress & SCOTUS have to say on it. I mean can you imagine how great America would be if Ron Paul were President? And then Libertarians and Conservatives have the gul to call Obama 'The Messiah'.
 
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BmanMcfly said:
That is a load of BS...

The Alex Jones Show was the ONLY place that let the man explain his points without calling him nuts... don't make me look for the videos where every means possible was used to discredit Paul.

If there had been a fair debate on the issues Ron Paul would have got like 80% of the vote...
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Zyphlin said:
Yes, some of it is blowback. Its something I've done for a while now with the hardcore Paul followers and a point I actually made back during the election. They'd prattle on about the whole "blowback" thing while completely and routinely thinking I'm an idiot and absolutely wrong when I pointed out that THEIR actions, THEIR words, THEIR mentallity towards other people is what's causing at least some, if not a lot, of the distaste, dislike, hatred, and misinformation about Paul to be spread and/or continue and not just the media. The irony of it was thick watching them go on and on about blowback for 9/11 all the while going "woe is me" about how horrible it is the media was the only thing holding them back and if not for that Paul would of course sweep the country in a landslide.
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Yes. I'm sure in between your idiotic 9/11 truffer rants your support for Ron Paul definitely didn't add to one of the issues that caused him problems with getting traction. But no, blowback only exists when it comes to the middle east apparently for some Ron Paul fans.
 
Redress said:
Do you think I am extremely far to the left?
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I think most everyone has at least one or two issues in which they can be viewed by others as being on an extreme.
 
Hatuey said:
Stop hating the constitution for thinking the religious beliefs of certain people have nothing to do with how you live your life!
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The religious beliefs of most people have nothing to do with how I live my life. There's nothing wrong with expression of religion and we don't base our laws on religion; so there's no problem.
 
Hatuey said:
Because of all the other silly **** he thinks he'd do if he were President isn't enough like being President is some sort of magical power. I mean Obama has a majority in Congress and he's having trouble getting a health bill passed. But had Ron Paul or somebody more moderate in the presentation would have won and EVERYTHING would have been different. They would have done away with the Income Tax in a week. They would have gotten Chuck Norris to scare the fence into building itself. They would have overturned 30+ years of Roe V. Wade. They would have kicked the UN out of NY. They would have fixed America. Because they would have known exatcly what the founders ment.

Obviously the office of President is some magical possition you get where you can do whatever you want. It doesn't matter what Congress & SCOTUS have to say on it. I mean can you imagine how great America would be if Ron Paul were President? And then Libertarians and Conservatives have the gul to call Obama 'The Messiah'.
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And then there's the visceral, blind and raging hatred shown for a guy who is but one of 435 votes in the House. It amazes me that a "wingnut" can provoke such a reaction.

:shrug:
 
Coronado said:
And then there's the visceral, blind and raging hatred shown for a guy who is but one of 435 votes in the House. It amazes me that a "wingnut" can provoke such a reaction.

:shrug:
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99% of the 435 votes in the house don't command legions of adoring e-cultists who think he's the best thing since toilet paper.
 
Ikari said:
The religious beliefs of most people have nothing to do with how I live my life. There's nothing wrong with expression of religion and we don't base our laws on religion; so there's no problem.
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Ron Paul seems to disagree with you. Sanctity of life and all that other bull****.
 
Hatuey said:
Ron Paul seems to disagree with you. Sanctity of life and all that other bull****.
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I don't get what you're talking about. If it's abortion, then I agree with him. It's not necessarily a "religious" argument either. I'm atheist, I don't make religious arguments. But I do agree that right to life should be recognized. In general, even if he or I for that matter run our mouths about it, there's nothing we can do. The SCOTUS ruled on it, and that's the end of that.
 
Hatuey said:
99% of the 435 votes in the house don't command legions of adoring e-cultists who think he's the best thing since toilet paper.
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So you don't like him because he has too many people who agree with him. Alrighty then.
 
Hatuey said:
99% of the 435 votes in the house don't command legions of adoring e-cultists who think he's the best thing since toilet paper.
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It's no longer "best thing since toilet paper" or "best thing since sliced bread". It is currently "best thing since streaming Netflix over XBox Live" because that is the coolest thing ever!
 
Coronado said:
So you don't like him because he has too many people who agree with him.
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No. I don't like him because I'm weary of anyone in 21st century politics who wants to pull out of the UN and has fans who see him as 'logical'. Keep grasping.
 
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