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Another song by school children praising Obama

Agnapostate said:
I wasn't aware that Scots constituted a race. Learn something new every day, I guess. :)
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Stop denigrating my heritage. Scottish people are and always have been an integral part of this nation. A month of recognition would help Americans understand the contributions and sacrifices Scottish people have made for this country.
 
Ethereal said:
Stop denigrating my heritage. Scottish people are and always have been an integral part of this nation. A month of recognition would help Americans understand the contributions and sacrifices Scottish people have made for this country.
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In what manner is an ethnic group descended from a single nation akin to a race descended from an entire continent that has migrated elsewhere voluntarily or otherwise? More importantly, Scots, unlike blacks, were never the subject of such pervasive discriminatory state policy that a unique Scottish-American culture developed to the same extent, nor even to the same extent that the Irish and Italians were.
 
Agnapostate said:
In what manner is an ethnic group descended from a single nation akin to a race descended from an entire continent that has migrated elsewhere voluntarily or otherwise? More importantly, Scots, unlike blacks, were never the subject of such pervasive discriminatory state policy that a unique Scottish-American culture developed to the same extent, nor even to the same extent that the Irish and Italians were.
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So, the blacks are better than the Scots, eh!? Much more worthy of a month than us stupid Scots, right!? You should be ashamed of yourself for being so intolerant of other cultures.
 
Ethereal said:
So, the blacks are better than the Scots, eh!? Much more worthy of a month than us stupid Scots, right!? You should be ashamed of yourself for being so intolerant of other cultures.
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Well, the kilts are kind of queer. I hope you don't use those bagpipes for anything else. :shock:
 
Ethereal said:
The Obama-praising in school is much, much scarier, since it's happening right now, in the present, while Obama is President, and not George Bush. Just thought I'd clue you in.
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I find is rather odd and disengenous with all these complaints about Obama from people who sat (not surprisingly) silent when GWB was doing either the same things or worse.

Leads me to believe that Carter was largely right in his assessment.
 
Ethereal said:
A silly month, to be sure. I mean, when are we going to get a Scottish history month? I think I'm just as entitled to the recognition as blacks are.
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What about Irish history month? The Irish people had to deal with being slaves, too!
 
disneydude said:
I find is rather odd and disengenous with all these complaints about Obama from people who sat (not surprisingly) silent when GWB was doing either the same things or worse.

Leads me to believe that Carter was largely right in his assessment.
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There were many that complained when Bush did some of his crap. I was becoming quite sick of Bush. Carter is very wrong.
 
Agnapostate said:
No one that you'd acknowledge, but minors don't have the right to freely exercise their own religion, and can be legally compelled to attend religious services by their parents/guardians even in the case. This corrupts a relationship intended to have a basis in the protection of the immature into unjust authoritarianism applied to individuals who should have the right to worship or not worship as they choose. The nature of this hierarchical relationship can render it worse than state compulsion in some cases.
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No, that's why I specifically added "legally." A parent cannot make a child worship anything. Go through the motions, sure, but a parent can't make the child believe it. Anyone who grew up attending religious services knows that.
 
disneydude said:
I find is rather odd and disengenous with all these complaints about Obama from people who sat (not surprisingly) silent when GWB was doing either the same things or worse.
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I call bull____. If the local schools in my area had been singing songs praising W., the people who have no problems with Obama being lauded in song and verse would have been lynching local principals. Let's not be hypocrites.

This sort of politicizing and indoctrination simply doesn't belong in schools, no matter what hue or flavor the president is.
 
Harshaw said:
No, that's why I specifically added "legally." A parent cannot make a child worship anything. Go through the motions, sure, but a parent can't make the child believe it. Anyone who grew up attending religious services knows that.
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My parents took me to church 3 times a week, and I still ended up an atheist-lite.
 
Ethereal said:
A silly month, to be sure. I mean, when are we going to get a Scottish history month? I think I'm just as entitled to the recognition as blacks are.
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when we elect a scottish pres. children will sing songs about him to
 
Ethereal said:
A silly month, to be sure. I mean, when are we going to get a Scottish history month? I think I'm just as entitled to the recognition as blacks are.
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Bloody Hell Right Mate Up the Scottish Dragin down with the Red Coats Free Scotland :mrgreen:
 
Agnapostate said:
You wrote "no one's legally forced to go to one." Which is wrong, because there are legal mechanisms that can enforce guardians' orders.
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I knew exactly what you meant (and that you'd make a point of it), but until those mechanisms are actually employed, there's no legal force.
 
Harshaw said:
I knew exactly what you meant (and that you'd make a point of it), but until those mechanisms are actually employed, there's no legal force.
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There's also no legal force employed when I send my bodacious biatches out streetwalking until the fur coat gives me away. Try again. :2wave:
 
Agnapostate said:
There's also no legal force employed when I send my bodacious biatches out streetwalking until the fur coat gives me away. Try again. :2wave:
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Genius riposte.

Your argument is the same as saying "if you don't pay your taxes, you will be shot."

Which may be true, ultimately, but only after several leaps of escalation, which will almost certainly never happen.

Would you like to point out instances of courts ordering children to church against their wishes? Or police escorting them their at their guardians' behest?
 
Harshaw said:
Your argument is the same as saying "if you don't pay your taxes, you will be shot."

Which may be true, ultimately, but only after several leaps of escalation, which will almost certainly never happen.

Would you like to point out instances of courts ordering children to church against their wishes? Or police escorting them their at their guardians' behest?
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It's not, unless execution is an automatic mechanism for refusal to pay taxes, which it isn't. Conversely, refusal to attend church can be treated just as refusal to obey any other directives that the law defines as reasonable can be, and "delinquency" can be punished accordingly.
 
Agnapostate said:
It's not, unless execution is an automatic mechanism for refusal to pay taxes, which it isn't. Conversely, refusal to attend church can be treated just as refusal to obey any other directives that the law defines as reasonable can be, and "delinquency" can be punished accordingly.
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There's no "automatic mechanism" for forcing a child to go to church against their wishes.
 
Agnapostate said:
There's a mechanism for state treatment of "delinquent minors" who refuse to obey their parents' orders, which is the relevant point.
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It's not "automatic." And as I said, any instances of it being used to force kids to go to church?
 
Exactly how would a parent "force" a child over the age of 12 or 13 to go to church?

It's illegal to use physical force. The only LEGAL means that a parent would really have would be to deny privileges and/or entertainment. A really committed child would simply have to outlast their parent.

The courts at this point in time aren't going to look kindly on parents depriving children of basic essentials and/or using physical force to enforce church attendance.

Hollow argument, at best.

BUT, if a parent removes their child from public school for a song of this nature, without making alternative educational arrangements AT THEIR OWN COST, the PARENT can be prosecuted by the state for contributing to the delinquency of a minor (truancy).

...The state has the power to enforce indoctrination at a far greater level than parents do.
 
There is nothing wrong with any of this. It happened with Bush, it happens with Obama. God forbid our children learn some civic pride. The :spin: smells like ****.
 
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