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Senate Democrats Vote Unanimously To Destroy American Farmers, America’s Foodsupply

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And nevermind that this is a liberal/democratic policy, as demonstrated by who sides with the bait fish, and who side with the 1000's of people suffering as a result of this policy.

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What about the salmon fishermen who would also be suffering if for the basic destruction of a salmon run were to occur. An ecosystem isn't all about one tiny organism, but a basic food chain is evidence that the extinction of one organism can be catastrophic to another.
 
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lol um since when did any farmlands rely on the rain to produce crops? It's called irrigation.

Uh, you are joking right? Even irrigation relies on rain, since it draws from water supplies in regions where rain is heavy, often in the same geographic area (aka, fellow western states) who are also suffering from an arid climate. Moreover, irrigation is expensive and needs to be supplemented by mother nature, if it is to remain economically viable. Since the state will have to provide money for irrigation, probably from taxes and subsidies from the national government, there is more than legitimate cause for the Senate to deny any motion to maintain irrigation.
 
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lol um since when did any farmlands rely on the rain to produce crops? It's called irrigation.

But if the water has to be shipped in and rationed to begin with, its not economically viable. It's different in a climate zone with a vast amount of fresh water to be used in case of drought, but when much of California's water has to be used, thus putting shortages on other citizens, it becomes economically unsound. I believe this is his point. Irrigation does no good if there isn't a reliable water source.
 
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It doesn't matter. That the vegetation has to be maintained artificially is pretty indicative of its not being economically viable.

Ahhhh... I got it.

Who's responsible is not important, because you have now deemed that the growing of fruits and vegetables in that valley, isn't "economically viable".

Controversy solved!

Thanks to your quick thinking, the democrats are now in the clear... So move along people... move along... there's nothing to see here.

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Ahhhh... I got it.

Who's responsible is not important now, because you have now deemed that the growing of fruits and vegetables in that valley, isn't "economically viable".

Controversy solved!

Thanks to your quick thinking, the democrats are now in the clear... So move along people... move along... there's nothing to see here.

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I might be missing something. Can you elaborate on your idea?
 
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Ahhhh... I got it.

Who's responsible is not important now, because you have now deemed that the growing of fruits and vegetables in that valley, isn't "economically viable".

Controversy solved!

Thanks to your quick thinking, the democrats are now in the clear... So move along people... move along... there's nothing to see here.

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Politics will be politics, a majority of the senators (D and R) probably didn't even read the damn bill, but voted with their party. It's stupid, but wouldn't be surprised. I don't think it's him trying to dismiss blame, but rather pointing out the instability of the ecosystem in general.
 
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The Central Valley is America's bread basket.

Did you even read your own link?

Want to guess how many tons of food the central valley produces? Now want to compare that to the grain growing regions of the US? Now want to then extrapolate the amount of meat that is produced directly from that grain? On a caloric basis, the central valley is completely irrelevant. An insane amount of calories are gained from high fructose corn syrup. That stuff is in everything.

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grain_Belt]Grain Belt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

You are mistaking dollar value for tons. Caviar is super high in dollar value. Does that feed lots of people? No.

The notion that the food grown in the central valley, which for the most part is low calorie high dollar value is more of a breadbasket then the vast corn regions of the grain belt is certifiably insane and a complete failure to understand the modern American industrial food system.

Look at the list of the crops grown in your blog. Tell me, can we raise vast numbers of chickens, hogs and cows on that? Can we turn those crops into extremely high caloric sugar replacements? Can we produce billions of tons of bread products from them? :rofl

Can you name the branch which voted against the legislation to turn the water back on

I wasn't aware there was a constitutional amendment that was voted to overturn the statute the court order was based on. Can you cite this?

The water was turned off because of the delta smelt. The democrats voted against the legislation to turn the water back on. Which of those two statements are false?

What's the point in voting on legislation that you know is unconstitutional and will be quickly overturned?

I see you dropped your batcrazy argument this is Obama's fault.
 
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I might be missing something. Can you elaborate on your idea?

That was sarcasm... The economic viability of growing food in that region has nothing to do with restricting the water that farmers have depended on for decades to grow crops.

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Politics will be politics, a majority of the senators (D and R) probably didn't even read the damn bill, but voted with their party. It's stupid, but wouldn't be surprised. I don't think it's him trying to dismiss blame, but rather pointing out the instability of the ecosystem in general.

Uh, for that matter, I am not willing to concede economic considerations did not play a role in the passing of this bill, whatever Hannity or the article says.
 
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lol um since when did any farmlands rely on the rain to produce crops? It's called irrigation.

There's this place called the Pacific North West, west of the Rockies. I suggest you visit sometime.
 
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Well at this point what mention of the congressional hearings on this issue I have found, the guy in charge of the water supply in Ca. testified that the restriction only resulted in a 5% decrease in water to the valley.. will this magically fix the drought condition?

I am fairly sure there were many other salient tidbits of info they had as well.

I am also sure they did not vote to

Lester Snow is against the water turn off. Let's see a direct quote from Snow.
 
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That was sarcasm... The economic viability of growing food in that region has nothing to do with restricting the water that farmers have depended on for decades to grow crops.

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... of course it is? Coping with expenses is one of the most fundamental concerns of government, and nobody is entitled to subsidies or state-financed support -- they get them because it is economically or socially expedient for whatever reason.
 
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Uh, for that matter, I am not willing to concede economic considerations did not play a role in the passing of this bill, whatever Hannity or the article says.

But what if Beck cries about it? :rofl Sorry, I will drop laughing at punditry now...(ps before the argument starts, i dislike maddow and olbermann too)
 
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There's this place called the Pacific North West, west of the Rockies. I suggest you visit sometime.

The Central Valley produces 8% of the countries agricultural output on only 1% of this countries total farmland.
 
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Uh, for that matter, I am not willing to concede economic considerations did not play a role in the passing of this bill, whatever Hannity or the article says.

Do you have any evidence that supports your belief?

Or are you just spit-balling for an explanation that more suites what you would like to believe to be true?
 
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That was sarcasm... The economic viability of growing food in that region has nothing to do with restricting the water that farmers have depended on for decades to grow crops.

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Damn socialist farmers, depending on the government to make sure water is given equally to them!:rofl
 
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Do you have any evidence that supports your belief?

Or are you just spit-balling for an explanation that more suites what you would like to believe to be true?

Considering the source I am up against, I don't feel strongly compelled to provide evidence -- for all of its moralizing, the article does not mention practical things that would enable me to conduct a good investigation, like a label for the legislation so I could google it. Which automatically makes it uncredible.
 
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The Central Valley produces 8% of the countries agricultural output on only 1% of this countries total farmland.

Which completely ignores my entire point. You are citing dollar value. That is irrelevant. By same measure, the black sea produces a disproportionate amount of dollar value food in Russia because its caviar. Does that address actual amount of food produces in terms of tons or calories?

What kind of bat**** argument is that? By your reasoning, it doesn't matter how many tons of food you produce, it's just dollar value that matters. Therefore, if this one place produces 50% of dollar value but only produces a single ton of food, but the other place produces 6,000 tons of food, the high value location is really the breadbasket.

That's insane.
 
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Damn socialist farmers, depending on the government to make sure water is given equally to them!:rofl

Don't you think that the government has a responsibility to provide water to those farmers? Right or wrong, because of the creation of those irrigation canals, 1000's of farmers invested their lives in that land. Pulling the rug out from under them, especially for a damned bait fish, is just wrong.

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Did you even read your own link?

Want to guess how many tons of food the central valley produces? Now want to compare that to the grain growing regions of the US? Now want to then extrapolate the amount of meat that is produced directly from that grain? On a caloric basis, the central valley is completely irrelevant. An insane amount of calories are gained from high fructose corn syrup. That stuff is in everything.

Grain Belt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You are mistaking dollar value for tons. Caviar is super high in dollar value. Does that feed lots of people? No.

The notion that the food grown in the central valley, which for the most part is low calorie high dollar value is more of a breadbasket then the vast corn regions of the grain belt is certifiably insane and a complete failure to understand the modern American industrial food system.

Look at the list of the crops grown in your blog. Tell me, can we raise vast numbers of chickens, hogs and cows on that? Can we turn those crops into extremely high caloric sugar replacements? Can we produce billions of tons of bread products from them? :rofl


"Virtually all non-tropical crops are grown in the Central Valley, which is the primary source for a number of food products throughout the United States, including tomatoes, almonds,[16][17] grapes, cotton, apricots, and asparagus."

I wasn't aware there was a constitutional amendment that was voted to overturn the statute the court order was based on. Can you cite this?

lol you don't need a Constitutional amendment to turn the water back on. All you need is a simple piece of legislation.

What's the point in voting on legislation that you know is unconstitutional and will be quickly overturned?

I see you dropped your batcrazy argument this is Obama's fault.

Do you even know what the general welfare clause is? Do you know what the endangered species act is? Do you not know that legislation can be amendended through further legislation and that you don't need a court ruling to amend the Endangered Species Act?
 
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Don't you think that the government has a responsibility to provide water to those farmers? Right or wrong, because of the creation of those irrigation canals, 1000's of farmers invested their lives in that land. Pulling the rug out from under them, especially for a damned bait fish, is just wrong.

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Just because a "damned bait fish" is what is being brought to light and being shown to be the main concern, it is far from the biggest concern in this area. I think that it's a very complex situation that can't just be considered right or wrong. I think that the media is making it much more about the fish than senate has.
 
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Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Where is the evidence that all the of Democrat senators tabled this?

And the title of the thread is dishonest. How could Senate democrats vote unanimously against the water allocations when that wasn't even in the bill?
 
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Don't you think that the government has a responsibility to provide water to those farmers? Right or wrong, because of the creation of those irrigation canals, 1000's of farmers invested their lives in that land. Pulling the rug out from under them, especially for a damned bait fish, is just wrong.

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Well, prove it is primarily about the fish then. The article doesn't count because it doesn't source the propositions, arguments, or reasoning behind the legislation. It is simply presupposing its existence, probably because the well-being of fish was probably mentioned as a reason against its passage by someone at some point. Worth noting, if fish are in danger of dying, water must be pretty scarce already.

Also, the government might have a responsibility, but it also has a responsible to its tax payers that their money is put into sound investments. The government can only do what it can do.
 
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Which completely ignores my entire point. You are citing dollar value. That is irrelevant. By same measure, the black sea produces a disproportionate amount of dollar value food in Russia because its caviar. Does that address actual amount of food produces in terms of tons or calories?

What kind of bat**** argument is that? By your reasoning, it doesn't matter how many tons of food you produce, it's just dollar value that matters. Therefore, if this one place produces 50% of dollar value but only produces a single ton of food, but the other place produces 6,000 tons of food, the high value location is really the breadbasket.

That's insane.

What ever's clever the fact of the matter is that 8% of this countries agricultural output is produced in the central valley.
 
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