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Oftencold

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Did you see today's undercover ACORN video?!

The ACORN operative casually described the pre-meditated murder of her husband!

I'll look for a link shortly, it just broadcast.


This person talked about having an abusive husband. Then doing "a little ground work," by making herself known to local women's shelters, then shooting him.
 
Oftencold said:
Did you see today's undercover ACORN video?!

The ACORN operative casually described the pre-meditated murder of her husband!

I'll look for a link shortly, it just broadcast.


This person talked about having an abusive husband. Then doing "a little ground work," by making herself known to local women's shelters, then shooting him.
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Talking about such things out loud is a pretty bad strategy if you don't want to be prosecuted for murder.
 
Oftencold said:
Did you see today's undercover ACORN video?!

The ACORN operative casually described the pre-meditated murder of her husband!

I'll look for a link shortly, it just broadcast.


This person talked about having an abusive husband. Then doing "a little ground work," by making herself known to local women's shelters, then shooting him.
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Corporate culture.
 
:Oopsie Baltimore
:Oopsie Washington D.C.
:Oopsie Brooklyn
:Oopsie San Bernadino

Wonder where the next stop on the tour will be!
 
Taylor said:
:Oopsie Baltimore
:Oopsie Washington D.C.
:Oopsie Brooklyn
:Oopsie San Bernadino

Wonder where the next stop on the tour will be!
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White House?
 
Geez...A senate investigation....Here we go on the distraction trail again.

The campaign finance system of NY is saying ACORN is getting around campaign finance limits to fund their candidates now.
 
A woman with an abusive husband talking about killing her husband? HOLD THE PRESSES!
 
Hatuey said:
A woman with an abusive husband talking about killing her husband? HOLD THE PRESSES!
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The term is murdering and you don't know he was actually abusive. In British law at least you would still at least get manslaughter for a pre-meditative killing of an abusive partner, presumably the US is just the same.
 
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Taylor said:
:Oopsie Baltimore
:Oopsie Washington D.C.
:Oopsie Brooklyn
:Oopsie San Bernadino

Wonder where the next stop on the tour will be!
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San Bernadino is byfar the best, so far. Prostitution and conspiracy to commit murder.
 
Hatuey said:
A woman with an abusive husband talking about killing her husband? HOLD THE PRESSES!
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If you look at the vid, it was obviously premeditated. Purdy much makes it a crime. What did ole girl say? "Before I did it, I layed some groundwork"?

If she don't go to prison, there's something wrong.
 
Wessexman said:
The term is murdering and you don't know he was actually abusive.
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Definition of killing :

killing - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

She would be in fact talking about killing her husband.

We don't know if she was joking around either or if it was an off-color joke taken out of context. Somebody talking about killing their spouse being in any way representative of how they do their job which is what the OP and some of our less logic-reliant members seem to be inferring is ridiculous.

In British law at least you would still at least get manslaughter for a pre-meditative killing of an abusive partner, presumably the US is just the same.
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Great. What does a person killing their spouse have to do with ACORN and voting? Nothing? Good to know.
 
Hatuey said:
Definition of killing :

killing - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

She would be in fact talking about killing her husband.

We don't know if she was joking around either or if it was an off-color joke taken out of context. Somebody talking about killing their spouse being in any way is representative of how they do their job which is what the OP and some of our less logic-reliant members seem to be inferring is ridiculous.
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Murdering is killing but we generally call the pre-meditated, extra-judicial killing of someone a murder in same way we generally don't refer to two pieces of bread with a filling in between them as generally food but a sandwich.


Great. What does a person killing their spouse have to do with ACORN and voting? Nothing? Good to know.
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Depends. I'd say on its own not much but then again most sides in politics like to score little points off things like this.
 
Wessexman said:
Murdering is killing
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All I needed to know. Thanks for making an issue out of wording and making yourself seem petty. Any other words you'd like to divide by zero?

Depends.
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Nothing. And you know this. If I killed my wife tomorrow it'd have NOTHING to do with how I do my job and whether or not I follow procedures while doing it.
 
Wessexman said:
Not petty, I just draw an attitude of equivocation from your post. Perhaps I was wrong.
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Do you know what equivocation means? You admitted that murder is killing. There is zero ambiguity in my words. So there was no equivocation on my part. This lady was talking about killing her husband. And pretty much everybody who speaks English except for miikey and yourself would be stupid to try and bitch about wording. You are wrong.
 
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Hatuey said:
Do you know what equivocation means? You admitted that murder is killing. There is zero ambiguity in my words. So there was no equivocation on my part. This lady was talking about killing her husband. And pretty much everybody who speaks English except for miikey and yourself would be stupid to try and bitch about wording. You are wrong.
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I drew the attitude from your words of some kind of argument that it wasn't so bad. The use of the word killing and the sarcastic use of words stop the presses seemed to me to suggest it wasn't so outrageous. Perhaps I was incorrect in my reading.

But yes words can very much matter in areas like this the difference between the words killed, murdered and executed is immense.
 
Hatuey said:
Definition of killing :

killing - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

She would be in fact talking about killing her husband.

We don't know if she was joking around either or if it was an off-color joke taken out of context. Somebody talking about killing their spouse being in any way representative of how they do their job which is what the OP and some of our less logic-reliant members seem to be inferring is ridiculous.



Great. What does a person killing their spouse have to do with ACORN and voting? Nothing? Good to know.
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I'm sure she'll be getting a visit from the cops, so she can explain the, "joke", to them...:rofl
 
Wessexman said:
I drew the attitude from your words of some kind of argument that it wasn't so bad.
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You're a regular Miss Cleo.

The use of the word killing and the sarcastic use of words stop the presses seemed to me to suggest it wasn't so outrageous.
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A woman saying she wants to kill her husband because he beats her isn't outrageous. Maybe in Wessex. In America? Not so much. What to me is outrageous is the false link some members make between what ACORN is and what this woman wanting to kill her husband has to do with ACORn. There isn't any relation. It's an attempt to relate something that would to most people seem like a personal problem(abusive spouses, people talking about killing their spouses etc) and what ACORN does. So please! Hold the presses whenever anybody who has an abusive spouse ANYWHERE says they want to kill their spouse!

Perhaps I was incorrect in my reading.
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You were.

But yes words can very much matter in areas like this the difference between the words killed, murdered and executed is immense.
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Let me give you an example of how stupid your 'difference' sounds :

My cat was killed by a dog.

My cat was murdered by a dog.

Do you see a difference yet? I don't. But if you want to be petty :

Wessexman said:
Murdering is killing
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Hatuey said:
A woman saying she wants to kill her husband because he beats her isn't outrageous. Maybe in Wessex.
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You're still not quite saying it outright but you do seem to equivocating the pre-meditated murder of abusive spouses. Again you could read it differently and I could be incorrect but my reading seems even stronger this time. Do you think that those who do this should be charged with murder? Do you think that if they are found guilty of something like murder or manslaughter that they should get only a very light sentence? This is what I was talking about. They are still murderers and even if some compassion is shown they should still be found guilty of murder and go away not for life but for at least 8 years or so, imho. They should not get a very light treatment, a partner being abusive does not excuse or nearly excuse pre-meditated murder.




Let me give you an example of how stupid your 'difference' sounds :

My cat was killed by a dog.

My cat was murdered by a dog.

Do you see a difference yet? I don't. But if you want to be petty :
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Well the context matters a lot. My wife was murdered by the state, my wife was killed by the state and my wife was executed by the state could have very different meanings. Killing is somewhat neutral, I don't think neutrality is right for the pre-meditated murder of a spouse. But I was more interested in your general attitude than the word.
 
apdst said:
If you look at the vid, it was obviously premeditated. Purdy much makes it a crime. What did ole girl say? "Before I did it, I layed some groundwork"?

If she don't go to prison, there's something wrong.
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Without actual physical evidence there is nothing to prosecute.
 
Wessexman said:
You're still not quite saying it outright but you do seem to equivocating the pre-meditated murder of abusive spouses.
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You're still trying this Miss Cleo angle? No. I've stated that there is no difference between saying you're going to kill somebody and you're going to murder them. You've admitted this. Murder is killing. That you're still looking for something to complain and bitch about is silly.

Again you could read it differently and I could be incorrect but my reading seems even stronger this time. Do you think that those who do this should be charged with murder?
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People who talk about killing somebody?

Do you think that if they are found guilty of something like murder or manslaughter that they should get only a very light sentence?
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No.

This is what I was talking about.
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Your two nonsequiturs and strawman? Well that's become obvious.

They are still murderers and even if some compassion is shown they should still be found guilty of murder and go away not for life but for at least 8 years or so, imho. They should not get a very light treatment, a partner being abusive does not excuse or nearly excuse pre-meditated murder.
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And yet I'm not at all shocked that a woman who claims to be abused would also want to kill her husband. What that has to do with the punishment she should get or what should happen to her afterward is pretty much irrelevant. What I've addressed is the fact that she claims she was beaten and wanted to/did kill her supposed abuser. Not shocking at all. Which is what I've been saying for 3 pages. Why do you make your own life so complicated?

Well the context matters a lot. My wife was murdered by the state, my wife was killed by the state and my wife was executed by the state could have very different meanings. Killing is somewhat neutral, I don't think neutrality is right for the pre-meditated murder of a spouse. But I was more interested in your general attitude than the word.
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Save me the 9th grade English lesson. Go outside right now and tell the first person you see :

I'm going to murder you.

Then say :

I'm going to kill you.

They won't see a difference. Only you will though. Somehow.
 
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Oftencold said:
Did you see today's undercover ACORN video?!

The ACORN operative casually described the pre-meditated murder of her husband!

I'll look for a link shortly, it just broadcast.


This person talked about having an abusive husband. Then doing "a little ground work," by making herself known to local women's shelters, then shooting him.
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What does she have to do with ACORN? Is it your suggestion that a majority of their memebers are simply immoral people? Why would they be uniquely slanted in that direction?
 
Hatuey said:
You're still trying this Miss Cleo angle? No. I've stated that there is no difference between saying you're going to kill somebody and you're going to murder them. You've admitted this. Murder is killing. That you're still looking for something to complain and bitch about is silly.



People who talk about killing somebody?



No.



Your two nonsequiturs and strawman? Well that's become obvious.



And yet I'm not at all shocked that a woman who claims to be abused would also want to kill her husband. What that has to do with the punishment she should get or what should happen to her afterward is pretty much irrelevant. What I've addressed is the fact that she claims she was beaten and wants to killer he supposed abuser. Not shocking at all. Which is what I've been saying for 3 pages. Why do you make your own life so complicated?



Save me the 9th grade English lesson. Go outside right now and tell the first person you see :

I'm going to murder you.

Then say :

I'm going to kill you.

They won't see a difference. Only you will though. Somehow.
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You could have saved your time by simply saying: No this was not what I meant.

And murder is to killing what sandwich is to food.
 
Wessexman said:
You could have saved your time by simply saying: No this was not what I meant.

And murder is to killing what sandwich is to food.
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Please carry out the exercise I prescribed?

If you say to somebody I'm going to give you food. They'll ask 'what food?'. If you say to somebody 'I'm going to kill you'. Do you think they'll wonder whether you mean murder? Do you think they'll wonder about what typing of 'killing' you'll do towards them? Do you think they'll wonder whether you're talking about 'murdering' or 'killing' them? If the answer to all these questions is wrong. Your analogy is ridiculous.
 
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