Thread: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

Originally Posted by Alex Libman

Then why does anyone hire unionized workers, thereby paying more money without getting more value in return?

Sorry, but union workers are held to certain standards that non-union workers are not. Union work is far more efficient and of higher quality because the union demands their workers pass specific trade standards to be included. Sorry, but you would be wrong. I have no idea why conservatives side with huge corporations rather than with citizens. It seems to be getting worse as the days go by. That's not freedom folks, that's slavery to a greedy, monolithic corporation.

Originally Posted by Scorpion89

Really prove it then, I'm from Maine have family in New Hampshire and Upper State New York who work in Hospitals and health Providers and they have since the mid 80s seen more and more Canadians come down t the US for all sort of treatment do to the fact they can't get coverage.

There are cases where Canadians go to the US for certain procedures, but at the expense of our healthcare plan. It involves mainly those who live in border cities where instead of building new facilities (or if the wait time is too great for a patient who needs quick treatment), the patient is sent to the US, where the Canadian government has reached an agreement with certain hospitals. I can assure you that it has been only a rare occasion where a Canadian has paid themselves... it would be one of those "fall through" the crack stories, unlike what happens under ANY system.

Canadians visit U.S. to get health care | Detroit Free Press | Freep.com

Originally Posted by formerroadie

This is the mentality that will bring down US Citizens' livelihood and hand it to the insurance companies and medical suppliers in the future. Thanks, but no thanks.

It is your mentality that slows down economic growth and keeps medical innovations out of people's reach. You don't want private insurance, you're free to pray to your socialist gods to make free health-care rain from the sky, but you cannot steal!

Originally Posted by formerroadie

Why you want more expensive health care and not more money in your pocket is beyond me. This proves the naysayers wrong about UHC. People with UHC live longer and pay less for their health care, not more. [...]

People who support socialist medicine are bribed and brainwashed by the government. Those stats have been debunked to pieces on other threads - socialist medicine leads to less freedom, lower quality, less medical innovations, and it isn't sustainable in the long term. The rest of the world is benefiting from medical innovations coming from America, if we go socialist their systems will go bust even faster!

Originally Posted by formerroadie

Do your homework and back UHC!

Like Kunta Kinte, I will be whipped to the bone before I accept a single penny from my enemies!

Originally Posted by formerroadie

Sorry, but union workers are held to certain standards that non-union workers are not. Union work is far more efficient and of higher quality because the union demands their workers pass specific trade standards to be included. Sorry, but you would be wrong. I have no idea why conservatives side with huge corporations rather than with citizens. It seems to be getting worse as the days go by. That's not freedom folks, that's slavery to a greedy, monolithic corporation.

You don't understand basic economics, and are selfishly backing government force in your (short-term) favor. The objective value of labor is determined by the objective natural laws of supply and demand. Using government to force an employer to pay more is theft!

(And I'm not a conservative.)

Originally Posted by Cassandra

Productive economy? You mean like health insurance companies? What, do tell, do these companies add to the economy?

The productive economy is all human action that is voluntary, as opposed to theft and other violence (with around 99% of violence in the world being done by governments).

In a free economy (not what we have now), a health insurance company offers voluntary risk mitigation to their consumers, smoothing out a person's lifetime medical costs into a monthly payment. The customer pays more money in total (counting interest), but he is protected from egregious expenses if/when something bad happens, in accordance to the terms of his contract. It is not a charity, nor is it cost-effective for everyone to have insurance - it's a matter of individual choice.