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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    Then why does anyone hire unionized workers, thereby paying more money without getting more value in return?
    Sorry, but union workers are held to certain standards that non-union workers are not. Union work is far more efficient and of higher quality because the union demands their workers pass specific trade standards to be included. Sorry, but you would be wrong. I have no idea why conservatives side with huge corporations rather than with citizens. It seems to be getting worse as the days go by. That's not freedom folks, that's slavery to a greedy, monolithic corporation.
    It's time for a revolution in our country. Not a revolution forged with guns and bombs but a revolution forged of compassion and altruism. A revolution that extends a hand to those who don't have and who cannot. A revolution that makes Health Care available to all those in the US.

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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Really prove it then, I'm from Maine have family in New Hampshire and Upper State New York who work in Hospitals and health Providers and they have since the mid 80s seen more and more Canadians come down t the US for all sort of treatment do to the fact they can't get coverage.
    There are cases where Canadians go to the US for certain procedures, but at the expense of our healthcare plan. It involves mainly those who live in border cities where instead of building new facilities (or if the wait time is too great for a patient who needs quick treatment), the patient is sent to the US, where the Canadian government has reached an agreement with certain hospitals. I can assure you that it has been only a rare occasion where a Canadian has paid themselves... it would be one of those "fall through" the crack stories, unlike what happens under ANY system.

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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Insurance company death panel strikes again. It is notable that insurance company death panels routinely sentence people to death each and every day.
    Totally ridiculous.
    Determining if a treatment is contractually covered does not equate to a 'Death Panel'.
    Government representatives deciding what treatment would be authorized to extend life would be.




    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    It is also notable that, under either the Democratic or Republican health plans in Congress, this would be a criminal act. If the Republicans get what they want, that is, no Obama Care, Liberals should still be happy that insurance company death panels would be illegal. Liberals and Conservatives can argue all they want about the rest, but don't you think this would be a decent first step? IMHO, this provision, under the plans from BOTH sides, would be the American thing to do.
    Whatever we argue about on the rest of either plan, this provision needs to be passed NOW.
    No it is not a good idea, nor does it need to be passed at all.
    Forcing a 'for profit' business to take on additional risk such as above, or forcing them to cover pre-existing conditions, is unacceptable.

    People who want coverage but currently can not afford it should band together and form their own non-profit insurer.



    As for the article.
    The title is misleading.
    As for her so-called 'battle' with the insurer.
    It had nothing to do with her death and occurred over a year ago.


    After initially being denied coverage by her insurance company for life saving treatment, Sutton is now on drug and chemo therapies and has undergone two surgeries.
    North Carolina’s Union Movement Crystal Lee ‘Norma Rae’ Sutton is Battling Cancer
    That article was posted online 11 July, 2008, over a year ago and she was currently receiving the treatment.
    So whatever actually happened with the insurer, happened before that date also.

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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    This is the mentality that will bring down US Citizens' livelihood and hand it to the insurance companies and medical suppliers in the future. Thanks, but no thanks.
    It is your mentality that slows down economic growth and keeps medical innovations out of people's reach. You don't want private insurance, you're free to pray to your socialist gods to make free health-care rain from the sky, but you cannot steal!


    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Why you want more expensive health care and not more money in your pocket is beyond me. This proves the naysayers wrong about UHC. People with UHC live longer and pay less for their health care, not more. [...]
    People who support socialist medicine are bribed and brainwashed by the government. Those stats have been debunked to pieces on other threads - socialist medicine leads to less freedom, lower quality, less medical innovations, and it isn't sustainable in the long term. The rest of the world is benefiting from medical innovations coming from America, if we go socialist their systems will go bust even faster!


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    Do your homework and back UHC!
    Like Kunta Kinte, I will be whipped to the bone before I accept a single penny from my enemies!


    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Sorry, but union workers are held to certain standards that non-union workers are not. Union work is far more efficient and of higher quality because the union demands their workers pass specific trade standards to be included. Sorry, but you would be wrong. I have no idea why conservatives side with huge corporations rather than with citizens. It seems to be getting worse as the days go by. That's not freedom folks, that's slavery to a greedy, monolithic corporation.
    You don't understand basic economics, and are selfishly backing government force in your (short-term) favor. The objective value of labor is determined by the objective natural laws of supply and demand. Using government to force an employer to pay more is theft!

    (And I'm not a conservative.)
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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    Unions only exist through government force.
    Oh please?!!


    Human beings evolved over millions of years. The human life expectancy used to be around 20 a few thousand years ago. Living to the age of 68 would be rare even a few hundred years ago. It is materialistic advances that make ever-expanding life-spans (and someday perhaps even immortality) possible.

    Those material advances don't just fall from the sky because you want them to, they must be created first.
    So true. Thank the government , by way of citizen taxes, that payed for all the basic research and the public health programs / vaccinations/ potable water public works , etc. that has helped people live a long life.

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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    It is economically impossible for the government to give back more than it steals from the productive economy.

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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    It is economically impossible for the government to give back more than it steals from the productive economy.
    ????

    Productive economy? You mean like health insurance companies? What, do tell, do these companies add to the economy?

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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    Productive economy? You mean like health insurance companies? What, do tell, do these companies add to the economy?
    The productive economy is all human action that is voluntary, as opposed to theft and other violence (with around 99% of violence in the world being done by governments).

    In a free economy (not what we have now), a health insurance company offers voluntary risk mitigation to their consumers, smoothing out a person's lifetime medical costs into a monthly payment. The customer pays more money in total (counting interest), but he is protected from egregious expenses if/when something bad happens, in accordance to the terms of his contract. It is not a charity, nor is it cost-effective for everyone to have insurance - it's a matter of individual choice.
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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    The productive economy is all human action that is voluntary, as opposed to theft and other violence (with around 99% of violence in the world being done by governments).

    In a free economy (not what we have now), a health insurance company offers voluntary risk mitigation to their consumers, smoothing out a person's lifetime medical costs into a monthly payment. The customer pays more money in total (counting interest), but he is protected from egregious expenses if/when something bad happens, in accordance to the terms of his contract. It is not a charity, nor is it cost-effective for everyone to have insurance - it's a matter of individual choice.
    O.I.C., you are referring to fairy tales.

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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    O.I.C., you are referring to fairy tales.
    No, you're the one spewing greedy socialist fairy-tales. I'm speaking in objective economic facts. Please feel free to challenge me on something specific.

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