Prisoners have a better Diet, than Health Care Patients in Britain.

[Realist1]

B.O. "Care of the Future":roll:..


Prisoners have a better diet than Health Service hospital patients, scientists warn | Mail Online

Patients in Health Service hospitals are far more likely to go hungry than criminals in jail, scientists warned yesterday. They say frail and elderly patients do not get the help they need with meals, and nobody checks whether they get enough to eat.

Despite years of Government promises to tackle poor hospital nutrition, food still arrives cold, and patients often miss out because meal times clash with tests and operations.

 

[RightinNYC]

B.O. "Care of the Future":roll:..


Prisoners have a better diet than Health Service hospital patients, scientists warn | Mail Online

Patients in Health Service hospitals are far more likely to go hungry than criminals in jail, scientists warned yesterday. They say frail and elderly patients do not get the help they need with meals, and nobody checks whether they get enough to eat.

Despite years of Government promises to tackle poor hospital nutrition, food still arrives cold, and patients often miss out because meal times clash with tests and operations.

Someone who is walked to a meal 3 times a day by an armed guard eats with more regularity than anyone else.

 

[formerroadie]

B.O. "Care of the Future":roll:..


Prisoners have a better diet than Health Service hospital patients, scientists warn | Mail Online

Patients in Health Service hospitals are far more likely to go hungry than criminals in jail, scientists warned yesterday. They say frail and elderly patients do not get the help they need with meals, and nobody checks whether they get enough to eat.

Despite years of Government promises to tackle poor hospital nutrition, food still arrives cold, and patients often miss out because meal times clash with tests and operations.

This is another misgnomer. I want concrete proof. Honestly, I am prone to never believe these stories ever again. They are propaganda released by the HCI and Pharma who want to keep us enslaved to them. They want to control our pocketbooks and our lives. They want us to pay them money and attempt to cover us with the least amount of care or cost. Sad thing is, people are clamoring to do so. A socialized medical system is hyper-demonized without thought as to why. The lies circulate over and over again through the public until people believe them. It's the way big corporations want it. They want people in the states to close their eyes to everything outside the US and adopt the rhetoric in order stir up fear and anger. The corporations don't care if they take your money nor that you die. They have no soul. The facts bear out that private health care doesn't work once you are truly sick.

It will never work as a for profit system and take care of people at the same time.

 

[Don't Tase Me Bro]

This is another misgnomer. I want concrete proof. Honestly, I am prone to never believe these stories ever again. They are propaganda released by the HCI and Pharma who want to keep us enslaved to them. They want to control our pocketbooks and our lives. They want us to pay them money and attempt to cover us with the least amount of care or cost.

Can you provide proof that this story is the product of the big bad Pharma Grinch?

 

[Realist1]

This is another misgnomer. I want concrete proof. Honestly, I am prone to never believe these stories ever again. They are propaganda released by the HCI and Pharma who want to keep us enslaved to them. They want to control our pocketbooks and our lives. They want us to pay them money and attempt to cover us with the least amount of care or cost. Sad thing is, people are clamoring to do so. A socialized medical system is hyper-demonized without thought as to why. The lies circulate over and over again through the public until people believe them. It's the way big corporations want it. They want people in the states to close their eyes to everything outside the US and adopt the rhetoric in order stir up fear and anger. The corporations don't care if they take your money nor that you die. They have no soul. The facts bear out that private health care doesn't work once you are truly sick.

It will never work as a for profit system and take care of people at the same time.

Alright...:roll: I spent 12 days in a Hospital, and lost 10 lbs. YOU try eating the food, and see what happens to you.:lol:

The "Food" would gag a maggot.:mrgreen:

 

[winston53660]

Alright...:roll: I spent 12 days in a Hospital, and lost 10 lbs. YOU try eating the food, and see what happens to you.:lol:

The "Food" would gag a maggot.:mrgreen:

Losing weight tends to happen when one is sick.

 

[PeteEU]

Daily Mail again... congrats!

 

[Arcana XV]

Wow. Food in hospitals sucks. Who knew?

What headline will they think of next? Airline food tastes like old shoes?

Good thing we have al these awesome reporters running around reporting things we didn't already know about.

 

[UtahBill]

The food at Phoenix Children's hospital is great.....
not resturaunt great, but certainly as good as you will get at a diner or fast food place.

 

[Glinda]

I've got news for you, buddy. Prisoners have better daily and long-term health care plans than most of us, too. And they don't pay a cent for it.

My question to you is: Why should every convicted criminal in the US prison system (2.3 million of them and climbing) be given something of such incalculable value when even the most minimal of health care coverage is denied to some 50 million civilian Americans who aren't out there breaking our laws?

But beyond all of this, can you provide any proof that Obama is going to adopt every aspect of the British health care system for America, and implement it exactly as they do?

 

[RightinNYC]

I've got news for you, buddy. Prisoners have better daily and long-term health care plans than most of us, too.

Link? This sounds like you just made it up.

A quick google turns up this:

Medical care in California's prisons is so bad it has been ruled unconstitutional. Henderson appointed a receiver to run the prison medical system after finding that an average of an inmate a week was dying from neglect or malpractice.

Judge: Calif. Must Pay for Prison Health Care - ABC News

:rofl

My question to you is: Why should every convicted criminal in the US prison system (2.3 million of them and climbing) be given something of such incalculable value when even the most minimal of health care coverage is denied to some 50 million civilian Americans who aren't out there breaking our laws?

1) The "50 million Americans" figure has been thoroughly debunked.
2) Uninsured people are not denied "even the most minimal of health care coverage." They receive (minimal) health care at any hospital they want.

 

[Glinda]

Link? This sounds like you just made it up.

According to law:

Medical Care
Prison officials are obligated under the Eighth Amendment to provide prisoners with adequate medical care. This principle applies regardless of whether the medical care is provided by governmental employees or by private medical staff under contract with the government.

Elements of an adequate medical care system
The Eighth Amendment requires that prison officials provide a system of ready access to adequate medical care... The prison must also provide an adequate system for responding to emergencies. If outside facilities are too remote or too inaccessible to handle emergencies promptly and adequately, then the prison must provide adequate facilities and staff to handle emergencies within the prison.

Dental Care
“Dental care is one of the most important medical needs of inmates.” Dental care that consists of pulling teeth that can be saved is constitutionally inadequate. Delays in dental care can also violate the Eighth Amendment, particularly if the prisoner is suffering pain in the interim.

Elements of an adequate mental health care system
The Eighth Amendment requires that prison officials provide a system of ready access to adequate mental health care. First, there must be a systematic program for screening and evaluating inmates in order to identify those who require mental health treatment. Second, treatment must entail more than segregation and close supervision of the inmate patients. Third, treatment requires the participation of trained mental health professionals, who must be employed in sufficient numbers to identify and treat in an individualized manner those treatable inmates suffering from serious mental disorders. Fourth, accurate, complete, and confidential records of the mental health treatment process must be maintained. Fifth, prescription and administration of behavior-altering medications in dangerous amounts, by dangerous methods, or without appropriate supervision and periodic evaluation, is an unacceptable method of treatment. Sixth, a basic program for the identification, treatment and supervision of inmates with suicidal tendencies is a necessary component of any mental health treatment program. --KNOW YOUR RIGHTS: MEDICAL, DENTAL AND MENTAL HEALTH CARE

Pre-natal/pregnancy care and abortions are covered too.

A quick google turns up this:

Judge: Calif. Must Pay for Prison Health Care - ABC News

Yes, it's completely true that our prisons are so overcrowded and strapped for cash that medical treatment is often inferior. But I'm not talking about the quality of treatment (you can end up with a dangerously crappy doctor in the civilian world, too).

As I said, Prisoners have better daily and long-term health care plans than most of us, too.

Does your health care plan provide medical and dental treatment free of charge? Does it provide for gratis house calls and/or ambulance service? Free drugs? Psychological counseling? Pre-natal care/abortions?

The "50 million Americans" figure has been thoroughly debunked.

40 million, 15 million. Whatever. Does it seem right that our laws mandate that criminals be covered free of charge for any and every health care need, while millions of law-abiding people must go without?

Uninsured people are not denied "even the most minimal of health care coverage." They receive (minimal) health care at any hospital they want.

Again, you're confusing a government mandated, across-the-board health care plan with receiving an occasional stitch on a boo-boo at an emergency room.

 

[Taylor]

40 million, 15 million. Whatever. Does it seem right that our laws mandate that criminals be covered free of charge

No, they should be forced into labor in order to offset the cost. License plates, roadside cleanup, etc.

 

[RightinNYC]

According to law:

Pre-natal/pregnancy care and abortions are covered too

Where in there does it say that the care is better than that of the average american? You literally just made that up out of whole cloth.

Yes, it's completely true that our prisons are so overcrowded and strapped for cash that medical treatment is often inferior. But I'm not talking about the quality of treatment (you can end up with a dangerously crappy doctor in the civilian world, too).

So your argument is that because prisoners are provided something for free, the public should receive it for free as well? Do you realize how flawed that logic is?

Think about the other things that prisoners get for free: food, clothing, shelter. Should we pass a national food/jeans/mortgage program to go along with national health care?

We provide health care for free to prisoners for the same reason we provide them with food/shelter/clothes for free - because if we didn't, it would be cruel and unusual punishment due to the fact that they do not have the ability to seek those things out on their own. That's why prisoners are different from you or I.

As I said, Prisoners have better daily and long-term health care plans than most of us, too.

Again, you just made this up.

Does your health care plan provide medical and dental treatment free of charge? Does it provide for gratis house calls and/or ambulance service? Free drugs? Psychological counseling? Pre-natal care/abortions?

Does the government mail you free t-shirts? Does Obama pay your mortgage? Did he come to your house to drop off some Thai food?

40 million, 15 million. Whatever.

It's this incapacity to realize the importance of accuracy when dealing with huge numbers that makes me not want people like you anywhere near the fisc.

Does it seem right that our laws mandate that criminals be covered free of charge for any and every health care need, while millions of law-abiding people must go without?

It seems odd at first glance, but if you actually think about it for 30 seconds, you realize why that occurs.

 

[Realist1]

Losing weight tends to happen when one is sick.

Or, Hospital Food.:lol: (Get Well Quick). That won't happen under a "Socialist Plan"...:lol:

 

[akyron]

Congress is more sly than we thought. When they rightfully get put in prison they will STILL get a better deal than the rest of us. :doh

 

[Realist1]

Congress is more sly than we thought. When they rightfully get put in prison they will STILL get a better deal than the rest of us. :doh

We'll serve them "Hospital Food"..:lol:

 

[Don't Tase Me Bro]

My question to you is: Why should every convicted criminal in the US prison system (2.3 million of them and climbing) be given something of such incalculable value when even the most minimal of health care coverage is denied to some 50 million civilian Americans who aren't out there breaking our laws?

Criminals shouldn't get those things and 50 million Americans aren't being denied health care coverage.

 

[Glinda]

Where in there does it say that the care is better than that of the average american? You literally just made that up out of whole cloth. [lengthy foolishness based on false premise snipped]

My original statement:

Prisoners have better daily and long-term health care plans than most of us, too.

Get back to me when you can exhibit a sound understanding of the difference between "better health care plans" and "better health care.

 

[Crunch]

The food at Phoenix Children's hospital is great.....
not resturaunt great, but certainly as good as you will get at a diner or fast food place.

I was thinking the same thing... My wife and I go to the hospital cafeteria once in a while for lunch, the food is great and cheap.... it's the same kitchen that cooks for patients.

Of course, this is now… no telling what it would be like under Obie-care.

 

[RightinNYC]

My original statement:

Get back to me when you can exhibit a sound understanding of the difference between "better health care plans" and "better health care.

And you still don't have any evidence for that statement either.

Do you have a response to the rest of my post?

 

[Glinda]

And you still don't have any evidence for that statement either.

See post 12.

Do you have a response to the rest of my post?

See post 12.

 

[Ennyone]

B.O. "Care of the Future":roll:..


Prisoners have a better diet than Health Service hospital patients, scientists warn | Mail Online

Patients in Health Service hospitals are far more likely to go hungry than criminals in jail, scientists warned yesterday. They say frail and elderly patients do not get the help they need with meals, and nobody checks whether they get enough to eat.

Despite years of Government promises to tackle poor hospital nutrition, food still arrives cold, and patients often miss out because meal times clash with tests and operations.

Also from the article (emboldening, mine);

It concluded lack of appetite due to a medical problem is probably the main reason for under-nutrition, but said hospitals can make improvements.

I think this article is an example of very poor reporting and doesn't reflect my experience as a patient, the relative and friend of many patients of many and past NHS nurse.

Firstly, I think it's stating the obvious that patients in hospital are more likely to be better nourished than prisoners. Not least of all because the majority of prisoners aren't there because they are ill, they're where they are for an entirely different reason. The second statement that "They say frail and elderly patients do not get the help they need with meals, and nobody checks whether they get enough to eat" is only a partial truth. It would be more accurate to say that it happens, but rarely. It also happens rarely in the poshest, most expensive of private hospitals, it happens rarely in private homes where family are taking care of great granny Smith and in small but exclusive and expensive residential homes all over the western world. Including the US where I now live and work. It's something that I was taught about as a first year nursing student in our equivalent of Nursing 101. It shouldn't happen, but it does, human error is a pain the ass like that sometimes.

In my experience of the NHS on both sides, what would normally happen is that during the report before the shift begins, we would know about who is going for tests and would arrange for a cold lunch to be sent for that patient. If that were forgotten, as soon as the patient arrived back at the ward, we would immediately call the hospital kitchen and have something like a sandwich, a yoghurt and a piece of fruit sent along.

And last but not least - It's the Daily Mail, owned by Rupert Murdoch, not best known for overseeing accuracy of reporting within his, er, "news" organisations.

 

[RightinNYC]

See post 12.



See post 12.

You don't seem to understand English. You can't just say tangential **** and then claim that that proves a point.

Sorry.

 

[Realist1]

Also from the article (emboldening, mine);



I think this article is an example of very poor reporting and doesn't reflect my experience as a patient, the relative and friend of many patients of many and past NHS nurse.

Firstly, I think it's stating the obvious that patients in hospital are more likely to be better nourished than prisoners. Not least of all because the majority of prisoners aren't there because they are ill, they're where they are for an entirely different reason. The second statement that "They say frail and elderly patients do not get the help they need with meals, and nobody checks whether they get enough to eat" is only a partial truth. It would be more accurate to say that it happens, but rarely. It also happens rarely in the poshest, most expensive of private hospitals, it happens rarely in private homes where family are taking care of great granny Smith and in small but exclusive and expensive residential homes all over the western world. Including the US where I now live and work. It's something that I was taught about as a first year nursing student in our equivalent of Nursing 101. It shouldn't happen, but it does, human error is a pain the ass like that sometimes.

In my experience of the NHS on both sides, what would normally happen is that during the report before the shift begins, we would know about who is going for tests and would arrange for a cold lunch to be sent for that patient. If that were forgotten, as soon as the patient arrived back at the ward, we would immediately call the hospital kitchen and have something like a sandwich, a yoghurt and a piece of fruit sent along.

And last but not least - It's the Daily Mail, owned by Rupert Murdoch, not best known for overseeing accuracy of reporting within his, er, "news" organisations.

The Article Continues...


Despite years of Government promises to tackle poor hospital nutrition, food still arrives cold, and patients often miss out because meal times clash with tests and operations.

But nurses say they are too busy to help every elderly patient with their meals

Meanwhile, prisoners are enjoying carbohydrate-rich, low-fat foods which in many cases are better than they would have been eating on the outside.
The Daily Mail has been highlighting the scandal of old people not being fed properly in hospital as part of its Dignity for the Elderly campaign.
Hospital meals are often taken away untouched, because they are either unappetising or are placed out of patients' reach.
The latest figures show 242 patients died of malnutrition in NHS hospitals in 2007 - the highest toll in a decade. More than 8,000 left hospital under-nourished - double the figure when Labour came to power.
The NHS throws away 11million meals every year, and many nurses say they are too busy to help the frail eat.

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