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'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

At this rate this tangent is gonna give the energizer bunny a run for its money..


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Anyone want to discuss how the crazy fringe element of secessionists hate America?
 
Redress said:
It's only liberals that hate america though. We have been told so.
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Seriously, someone give me a reason to not shut this thread down.
 
Redress said:
It's only liberals that hate america though. We have been told so.
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It's always nice to have that sort of feedback from those who have their finger on the pulsebeat of America.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
Anyone want to discuss how the crazy fringe element of secessionists hate America?
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I think that the Texans threatening to secede (again) is mildly interesting, but unsurprising. Of course, these wackadoos have no really support for seceding from their own neighborhood, much less the entire U.S. And, they'd be subsumed and out-gunned by Mexicans the moment they broke away from us.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I think that the Texans threatening to secede (again) is mildly interesting, but unsurprising. Of course, these wackadoos have no really support for seceding from their own neighborhood, much less the entire U.S. And, they'd be subsumed and out-gunned by Mexicans the moment they broke away from us.
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We're already outgunned.
 
Taylor said:
For someone that has been on this forum for so long, you seem to know very little about debate. Had you been paying the smallest bit of attention, you would see that I've been defending myself for well over 20 pages.

I ask you one simple question and all you can do is ignore it and try to ask (yet another) question of your own:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...essionists-rally-texas-24.html#post1058227604

Maybe other people have time to waste with you, or are able to share in your freshly-realized observation that gee -- facts and opinion are different! Whoa! Like kids who have just gone #2 in the potty for the first time you can both point in awe at what you've created.
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For someone who has been on this forum for a minuscule amount of time, it is obvious that you know little about debate. Folks have attempted to educate you on it, but you seem to be too caught up in your own foolishness or closed mindedness to listen. If you had shown some understanding from the very beginning that facts and opinions are different, this would have ended long ago. I am glad that we educated you on this rather simple concept. Perhaps no, with this new found knowledge, your debating skills will be at least marginal.
 
Truth Detector said:
....unlike Liberals who wouldn't know they were wrong and therefore never HAVE to admit they are wrong.



Oh no; not the "hyper partisan" BS again!! OH my, lions and tigers and bears oh my.

And of course, Liberals NEVER enter into useless hyperbolic blather; if we were to judge Liberals opinions based on that yardstick we would never be able to take them serious.

I love all that selective outrage you display; it's so ....... what's the word....hypocritical?

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As usual, TD, you never seem to understand satire. I was satirizing YOUR silly post. You taking it seriously is so...humiliating for you. :2razz:
 
Taylor said:
You'll note I've taken her out of the debate, she's reduced herself to silly one-liners.
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Actually, you took yourself out of the debate by making poorly constructed, illogical assertions and then showing a lack of integrity by refusing to admit you were wrong when it was proven that you were, over and over.

I think that summarizes both this thread and you abilities quite well.
 
CaptainCourtesy,

It's clear from your constant attacks on me that I've hit a nerve. I do have an acerbic posting style and do not back down from a fight, but assure you no harm was intended. I sometimes go too far in assuming that everyone's skin is as thick as mine.

I'd like to continue our debate, but in my own interest have decided to refrain from further discussion with you until things cool down.

Taylor
 
Truth Detector said:
Breaking the rules again; you may want to refresh yourself on baiting and trolling, apparently it has been lost on you.
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Yeah, because this thread wasn't already going downhill. :roll:
 
Taylor said:
CaptainCourtesy,

It's clear from your constant attacks on me that I've hit a nerve. I do have an acerbic posting style and do not back down from a fight, but assure you no harm was intended. I sometimes go too far in assuming that everyone's skin is as thick as mine.

I'd like to continue our debate, but in my own interest have decided to refrain from further discussion with you until things cool down.

Taylor
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How exactly is sound logic deemed an attack? And I can assure you, you haven't gotten under anyone's skin here. :lol:
 
PeteEU said:
I say sell the place to Iran.. same mentality so why not!!
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Only in Texas they don't actually execute homosexuals. Slight difference. Wouldn't mind if you noticed it though.
 
Taylor said:
Right wing terrorist = go to town hall and speak your mind

Left wing terrorist (the kind Obama supports) = bomb government buildings, plan to bomb a bunch of policemen but instead blow yourselves up because you smoked too much weed. Go into hiding for years, get out on a technicality, then become a professor and stomp on your flag for a photo op.

Have any other battles you would like to lose?
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Wow you've obviously never heard of Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nickels, The Branch Davidians, Ruby Ridge, etc. If your way of thinking held any ground at all this is what it would look like :

Right Wing Terrorist : Biggest terrorist attack by homegrown terrorists in American history, using children as human shields, hide behind their religion and some false sense of righteousness to justify shooting cops and molesting children, bomb abortion clinics, kill doctors, lynch niggers. Do you want to try this game? Because I just love being a partisan hack when the IQ seems to drop a few points.
 
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Hatuey said:
Wow you've obviously never heard of Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nickels, The Branch Davidians, Ruby Ridge, etc. If your way of thinking held any ground at all this is what it would look like :

Right Wing Terrorist : Biggest terrorist attack by homegrown terrorists in American history, using children as human shields, hide behind their religion and some false sense of righteousness to justify shooting cops and molesting children, bomb abortion clinics, kill doctors, lynch niggers. Do you want to try this game? Because I just love being a partisan hack when the IQ seems to drop a few points.
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You're missing the point and I don't blame you because this thread is so ungodly long. This was addressed somewhere back there when someone else brought it up. The difference is that Bill Ayers is a cult hero in some circles on the left, whereas everybody hates Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nickels, The Branch Davidians, Ruby Ridge, etc.
 
Taylor said:
You're missing the point
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There is no point. Your initial post was a silly distortion of the truth and your subsequent statements were devoid of any supporting evidence. Clearly biased to imply that while right wing terrorist get no love, left wing terrorists are admired by some fictional liberal circle your mind imagined. Now obviously, it's clear you've never read a book on the way terrorism works because if you had you wouldn't be foolish to think or even state that either left wing or right wing forms of terrorist activity could flourish and gain any kind of ground without a supporting base of people. It simply does not happen. It doesn't happen in Islamic terrorism, it doesn't happen in Hindu terrorism. Terrorism simply doesn't happen without some sort of support from a particular demographic be it ideological or religion. This by logic alone destroys any claim, inference, suggestion, opinion, whatever you'd like to call your posts that the right wing is immune to supporting the same kind of extremism as the left wing.

and I don't blame you because this thread is so ungodly long. This was addressed somewhere back there when someone else brought it up. The difference is that Bill Ayers is a cult hero in some circles on the left, whereas everybody hates Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nickels, The Branch Davidians, Ruby Ridge, etc.
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Really? Everybody?

People on the internet disagree with you :

REMEMBER WACO!

You DO NOT use military force against our own citizens, especially women and children!!
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People on the street disagree with you :

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Libertarian think tanks disagree with you :

Remember Ruby Ridge | Tim Lynch | Cato Institute: Daily Commentary

On August 21, 1992 a paramilitary unit of the U.S. Marshals Service ventured onto the 20-acre property known as Ruby Ridge. A man named Randy Weaver owned the land and he lived there with his wife, children, and a family friend, Kevin Harris. There was an outstanding warrant for Weaver's arrest for a firearms offense and the marshals were surveilling the premises. When the family dog noticed the marshals sneaking around in the woods, it began to bark wildly. Weaver's 14-year-old boy, Sammy, and Kevin Harris proceeded to grab their rifles because they thought the dog had come upon a wild animal.
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Are you in high school? Because that is the only conceivable way which I believe you'd state something as ignorant of American culture as ' everybody hates Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nickels, The Branch Davidians, Ruby Ridge, etc.' Like religious extremism, political extremism doesn't grow by itself. It needs people to support it. And people do. Your comments are generalizations. Now ask me to prove your statement wrong when the burden of proof is on you.
 
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Hatuey said:
There is no point. Your initial post was a silly distortion of the truth and your subsequent statements were devoid of any supporting evidence. Clearly biased to imply that while right wing terrorist get no love, left wing terrorists are admired by some fictional liberal circle your mind imagined.
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Did I imagine Barrack Obama, Vanity Fair photo-ops, a distinguished professorship? All for a guy who readily admits he was a terrorist that got off on a technicality.

Hatuey said:
Now obviously, it's clear you've never read a book on the way terrorism works because if you had you wouldn't be foolish to think or even state that either left wing or right wing forms of terrorist activity could flourish and gain any kind of ground without a supporting base of people.
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To some of us it's BLATANTLY OBVIOUS that you don't have terrorism without people (i.e. terrorists). Did you really need to read a book to pick up on that?

Alas, it's irrelevant to the earlier discussion that was started by Glinda. I suggest you read it.
 
Taylor said:
Did I imagine Barrack Obama, Vanity Fair photo-ops, a distinguished professorship? All for a guy who readily admits he was a terrorist that got off on a technicality.

To some of us it's BLATANTLY OBVIOUS that you don't have terrorism without people (i.e. terrorists). Did you really need to read a book to pick up on that?

Alas, it's irrelevant to the earlier discussion that was started by Glinda. I suggest you read it.
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Your reading comprehension is obviously lacking as well as your debate skills. No son. I didn't say terrorism doesn't happen without 'people (ie. terrorists)'. I said terrorism doesn't happen without a support base. As your understanding of what a support base is nonexistent, I'll give you an analogy(you know what that is right?) your young high school mind can understand.

Imagine there is a soccer team called 'The Terrorists'. Our fictional team is one of the worst. They lose pretty much every game because they always score on themselves. However this fictional soccer team of ours still manages to get funding, jerseys, websites etc. because of devoted fans who don't play the game but still support their team. These fans are what you would call a 'support base'. Without them, this team of ours wouldn't exist. Take away some fans and what happens? The team has less funding, the jerseys aren't as nice and the website constantly crashes. Take away all the fans and what happens? No funding, no jerseys, no website. The fans or 'support base' are essential to the existence of the team.

Do you understand now? Good.
 
Hatuey said:
Take away all the fans and what happens? No funding, no jerseys, no website. The fans or 'support base' are essential to the existence of the team.

Do you understand now? Good.
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I'm really not going to get dragged into yet another debate that has nothing to do with the thread. I'll just say that there are lots of examples of terrorist activities that occur without a "base" as you describe it. In our own country we had the unibomber, the two idiots with sniper rifles, numerous pubescent idiots who shot up schools, etc. etc. etc.

Go Team Unibomber! :roll:
 
Taylor said:
I'm really not going to get dragged into yet another debate that has nothing to do with the thread.
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YOU brought up something which was irrelevant to the thread. Your clearly false belief that right wingers are immune to supporting the same nonsense as some far left liberals.

I'll just say that there are lots of examples of terrorist activities that occur without a "base" as you describe it. In our own country we had the unibomber, the two idiots with sniper rifles, numerous pubescent idiots who shot up schools, etc. etc. etc.

Go Team Unibomber! :roll:
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You simply do not understand what I'm trying to say yet do you? Your reading comprehension is SERIOUSLY lacking now. The support base doesn't necessarily have to be people working with the terrorists, it can come from outside sources. This is why I threw in the jersey reference in the analogy. I'll further explain this part of the analogy :

Theodore John Kaczynski, the unabomber, acted alone but that does not mean he, in his ideology was alone. Which is what I'm trying to explain to you. He simply didn't wake up one morning and became the first anarchist to advocate terrorism and engage in it. The seclusion he engaged in has been advocated by thousands across this country. In fact we have people on this very forum who advocate 'going back' to nature and removing ourselves from society. Many anarchist writers have come to his defense after his attacks proving he was not alone in his beliefs and there is an obvious support for the nonsense he believes in. This is something which forms part of the support base. People don't just wake up one day and start blowing things up because they want to. This is something that is fostered and allowed to grow through many different ways.

In respect to the D.C. Snipers, Lee Boy Malvo and John Allen Mohammed both these guys were not only devoted Muslims but modeled themselves after images of people like Bin Laden and thought of themselves as American Mujaheddin. This is basically the same as above only even more developed. These guys frequented Islamic anti-zionist websites. They simply didn't wake up one morning and decided to become Muslims and started hating everything American. No. They found their base and whether or not this base came forward in their support for them, they knew they weren't alone in their way of thinking. This is all part of the analogy I've been trying to explain to you. Seriously, if you knew anything about terrorism this would be kid's work for you.
 
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