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What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

What the bill means is that I'll lose twenty percent of my annual wages, lose my private health care, and have to deal with nice friendly people like those at the DMV to get an ingrown toenail dug out, after waiting behind a herd of illegals.
Why are you going to lose your private health care insurance? How are the proposals that have been made so far going to affect it?
 
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you're right, people behave badly. could we address the point that these particuolar people haven't a clue what they are screaming about?

So if someone has a problem with this plan, they are misinformed? Is that what you are saying?
 
Why are you going to lose your private health care insurance? How are the proposals that have been made so far going to affect it?

Read the rest of the post.

Learn the legend of the camel nose.

Or learn how to make frog soup. Remember, we're the frogs.

Don't bother me with your complete inability to see the obvious and very real threat.
 
Read the rest of the post.

Learn the legend of the camel nose.

Or learn how to make frog soup. Remember, we're the frogs.

Don't bother me with your complete inability to see the obvious and very real threat.
I read it, that's why I asked. I'm looking for specifics, not a gloom and doom speech about other programs.
 
I read it, that's why I asked. I'm looking for specifics, not a gloom and doom speech about other programs.

So, unlike you, I lack the ingorance and gullibility to trust the people that gave us the abortion known as the Income Tax, it's cousin the Socialist Security program, it's retarded niece known as Welfare, and ANY of the MANY other programs sold on the basis of low cost, low impact, and good impact on the country and my life.

You may be ignorant enough to want to ignore history, but that's really no excuse. I've told you the problem, I've provided you with many examples. Under no feasible circumstances is it either wise or desirable to create any government programs, and then you can consider that THIS proposal of your Messiah is going to take over a full sixth of the US economy.
 
uh-huh......and how do you porpose laymen navigate their way through our judicial system?
 
it doesn't seem very productive, does it? these people aren't there for answers, they are there to obstruct. that's it. they should go the hell home and educate themselves, come back and ask questions with merit. that's what i think should happen.
 
So, unlike you, I lack the ingorance and gullibility to trust the people that gave us the abortion known as the Income Tax, it's cousin the Socialist Security program, it's retarded niece known as Welfare, and ANY of the MANY other programs sold on the basis of low cost, low impact, and good impact on the country and my life.

You may be ignorant enough to want to ignore history, but that's really no excuse. I've told you the problem, I've provided you with many examples. Under no feasible circumstances is it either wise or desirable to create any government programs, and then you can consider that THIS proposal of your Messiah is going to take over a full sixth of the US economy.

Quit throwing out strawmen and state exactly how you are going to lose your private health insurance coverage. It's my understanding that the House bill allows for existing policies to be grandfathered in, so that people who currently have individual health insurance policies will not lose coverage.
 
it doesn't seem very productive, does it? these people aren't there for answers, they are there to obstruct. that's it. they should go the hell home and educate themselves, come back and ask questions with merit. that's what i think should happen.

If they choose not to?

Besides, who says the only legit reason to be there is to ask questions? How about just letting legislators know they're opposed?
 
i'm sorry......they are screaming now. and they have no idea what they are screaming about.

do you really believe the 70 year old woman protesting against this bill has READ it? lmao.......

I would be willing to bet that more 70 year old women have read it then senators.

I have read a fair amount of it myself and I am against it by what I have read.
 
fine.....just so we all know they are for the most part ignorant sheep who are opposed because someone convinced them obama was going to kill their grandma and take away their medicare.

again, they oppose, republicans oppose, yet offer nothing as a solution. nothing. as i mentioned earlier, i'm happy to discuss legitimate reasons for opposition.

and btw, i will always defend my vote for obama.
 
Quit throwing out strawmen and state exactly how you are going to lose your private health insurance coverage. It's my understanding that the House bill allows for existing policies to be grandfathered in, so that people who currently have individual health insurance policies will not lose coverage.

I have not validated this so dont hold me to it just yet. But it has been reported on FOX that amendments have been added to the bill that Reps say will force everyone that is not currently insured by 2013 onto the governments insurance. This along with the fines for employers that do not cover employees with insurance being cheaper then actually covering them means most new employers will not cover thier employees and current companies may drop coverage in preference of the fine. You can see where this might lead. Oh wait didnt Obama say that a single payer plan was his ultimate goal but that it wouldnt be possible immediately that it would probably take 10-15 years to achieve.
 
fine.....just so we all know they are for the most part ignorant sheep who are opposed because someone convinced them obama was going to kill their grandma and take away their medicare.

I do not think that many actually believe that the government is out to kill granny. What they are afraid of is nothing in the bill can stop this from happening. Why take the chance?
 
just as good insurance coverage is a selling point for potential employees now, it will remain so. many companies currently cover their employees, they certainly don't have to.

i don't see this changing much, and i'd like to see those amendments. maybe we should wait and see the final version, hmmm?
 
what stops that from happening now? laws? i think we're safe here.
 
uh-huh......and how do you porpose laymen navigate their way through our judicial system?

Oh.

So you're confessing that nationalization of an industry will deny people the fullest access to that industry.

No, if you can find the honesty to apply your new found knowledge to your demand that doctors be nationalized, we can begin to teach you your errors.
 
Quit throwing out strawmen and state exactly how you are going to lose your private health insurance coverage. It's my understanding that the House bill allows for existing policies to be grandfathered in, so that people who currently have individual health insurance policies will not lose coverage.

Do you know the recipe for frog soup?
 
fine.....just so we all know they are for the most part ignorant sheep who are opposed because someone convinced them obama was going to kill their grandma and take away their medicare.

again, they oppose, republicans oppose, yet offer nothing as a solution. nothing. as i mentioned earlier, i'm happy to discuss legitimate reasons for opposition.

and btw, i will always defend my vote for obama.

One solid unshakeable basis for oppposing it is the fact that it's not allowed by the Constitution.

How's that for starters?

You're not one of those people that don't understand what the General Welfare clause is, are you?
 
please......75% of our population is misinformed. why should this be any different?
 
who said anything about doctors being nationalized? some post i missed?
 
i'm sorry, no, i guess i don't understand how hc reform is not allowed by the constitution. seems if that were true, all you'd have to do is challenge it in court.
 
i'm sorry, no, i guess i don't understand how hc reform is not allowed by the constitution. seems if that were true, all you'd have to do is challenge it in court.

Our courts have been operating under a flawed basis of interpretation for quite some time now.
 
Do you know the recipe for frog soup?
Unless this recipe includes a legitimate reason why you're going to lose your private health insurance I don't really care. From what I gather so far from your posts, you have offered theories based on the failures of other government programs, but nothing in particular regarding the current health care reform proposals as they pertain to your private health care plan.
 
I see nothing wrong with people regardless of how informed or misinformed from not wanting something. I feel the pro-health care groups would have a much better argument if they were not trying to impose it onto everyone. HR 3200 does just that. They remove the choice from all those not wanting any part of it.

Personally I dont care if the bill was superb I would not want it. Why? Because I do not feel it is the governments job to take care of the people and its over stepping its self. I feel its the governments job to insure all have equal opportunity and its up to us to do with that what we will. Now a reform bill that leaves the private sector to make its own choices I would be fine with.
 
Why are you going to lose your private health care insurance? How are the proposals that have been made so far going to affect it?

Read this carefully and think about what it says... if you were an insurance company, do you think you could stay in business if you couldn't ever enroll anyone new after this bill goes into effect?

1 SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT
2 COVERAGE.
3 (a) GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COV
4 ERAGE DEFINED.—Subject to the succeeding provisions of
5 this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable cov
6 erage under this division, the term ‘‘grandfathered health
7 insurance coverage’’ means individual health insurance
8 coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the
9 first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met:
10 (1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.—
11 (A) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in
12 this paragraph, the individual health insurance
13 issuer offering such coverage does not enroll
14 any individual in such coverage if the first ef
15 fective date of coverage is on or after the first
16 day of Y1.

How would your company do if you could never change a persons coverage, or what you charge after the day before this bill goes into effect?

21 (2) LIMITATION ON CHANGES IN TERMS OR
22 CONDITIONS.—Subject to paragraph (3) and except
23 as required by law, the issuer does not change any
24 of its terms or conditions, including benefits and
25 cost-sharing, from those in effect as of the day be
26 fore the first day of Y1.
 
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