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Marines Ban "Selected" Websites....

They give "Security Reasons"...But I think they're also trying to control what the Troops have access to. I'll bet B.O. has a hand in this.:roll:

Marines Ban Twitter, MySpace, Facebook | Danger Room | Wired.com

Why do people post articles w/o reading them?

Dude, read your own article!!

Banning those sites is totally reasonable and makes perfect sense. Loose lips sink ships.

They should have banned the carrying of digital cameras and cell phone cameras in detainment centers a long time ago.

As technology and the internet changes (especially with Twitter and Facebook) you can't take any chances and risk the security of a mission.

And your comment about the President is either hyper-partisan lameness or a total lack of understanding of how the military works.
 
It is security reasons. Many sites where downloading or live streaming video is involved also involves viruses. While not classified, many unclassified computers connected to the Internet contain sensitive information.

It is also for policy reasons. The last thing any family member needs is to find out their son or husband was killed in a fire fight from YouTube or from a friend who received an e-mail from a friend in Iraq/Afghanistan before the military has a chance to do the right thing and inform them correctly and with the honors and discretion it deserves.

It is also for technical reasons. Live streams and downloading sucks away bandwidth. Bandwidth that is needed to conduct business in a war zone.

This isn't a political thing. This is a military thing. And it is right.
 
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Why do people post articles w/o reading them?

Dude, read your own article!!

Banning those sites is totally reasonable and makes perfect sense. Loose lips sink ships.

They should have banned the carrying of digital cameras and cell phone cameras in detainment centers a long time ago.

As technology and the internet changes (especially with Twitter and Facebook) you can't take any chances and risk the security of a mission.

And your comment about the President is either hyper-partisan lameness or a total lack of understanding of how the military works.

I read that the Marines have "controlled" what the Troops can see, and hear. You've decided that's perfectly "OK" with you.:roll: Then,,,you procede to state that even MORE Censorship is needed.:lol:

Please...:lol:
 
I read that the Marines have "controlled" what the Troops can see, and hear. You've decided that's perfectly "OK" with you.:roll: Then,,,you procede to state that even MORE Censorship is needed.:lol:

Please...:lol:

No, I'm for keeping the troops safe.

Read more carefully. Think. Then respond.
 
It is security reasons. Many sites where downloading or live streaming video is involved also involves viruses. While not classified, many unclassified computers connected to the Internet contain sensitive information.

It is also for policy reasons. The last thing any family member needs is to find out their son or husband was killed in a fire fight from YouTube or from a friend who received an e-mail from a friend in Iraq/Afghanistan before the military has a chance to do the right thing and inform them correctly and with the honors and discretion it deserves.

It is also for technical reasons. Live streams and downloading sucks away bandwidth. Bandwidth that is needed to conduct business in a war zone.

This isn't a political thing. This is a military thing. And it is right.

I spent 6 years in Service during Nam,,,and the LAST thing I wanted was LESS information from Home. Much less the Military controlling what I could do in my Down Time...;)

Going out on Patrol,,, Yeah, you have a point.
 
I spent 6 years in Service during Nam,,,and the LAST thing I wanted was LESS information from Home. Much less the Military controlling what I could do in my Down Time...;)



The military didn't have to content with the Internet during Vietnam. It's not about receiving information. CNN, ABC, FOX and what ever else news agency is open from border to border. News channels are broadcasted in the mess halls on the bases in Iraq. There is also letters and phone calls if one needs to know what arcade game just got placed in the local ice cream parlor back home. The problem with the Internet is that information also goes out and this is why blog sites and sites with open discussions (debatepoliticis.com) is banned from government and military networks.

Most sensitive and classified information gets passed without the guilty even aware they did it.......

My information + another guys information in another unit = intel.
 
No, I'm for keeping the troops safe.

Read more carefully. Think. Then respond.

You've decided that The Corp has a "Right" to control every minute, of everyday of a Marines Life,,,and what he or she can see and hear. :lol: I'm for keeping the Troops Safe, and Free.;)

If that's being "Partisan",,,yep, I am.:mrgreen:
 
You've decided that The Corp has a "Right" to control every minute, of everyday of a Marines Life,,,and what he or she can see and hear. :lol: I'm for keeping the Troops Safe, and Free.;)

If that's being "Partisan",,,yep, I am.:mrgreen:

Who is suggesting the Military want to control ALL information? Keep things in perspective.

Paul
 
You've decided that The Corp has a "Right" to control every minute, of everyday of a Marines Life,,,and what he or she can see and hear. :lol: I'm for keeping the Troops Safe, and Free.;)

If that's being "Partisan",,,yep, I am.:mrgreen:

It's not partisan. It's knee jerk reaction to something that is not an issue. "Control" of a Marine's life is not the issue. He can receive news information from plenty of authorized web sites, televisions in messhalls, care packages, letters, and phone calls. But that Marine will be controlled when it comes to eating up bandwidth, passing unauthorized information, and risking networks to viruses. And when it comes to the Internet cafes over there, the more bandwidth the individual uses, to down load some song or video or to watch YouTube, the less bandwidth everyone else in that network has.

Welcome to the 21st century.
 
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It's not partisan. It's knee jerk reaction to something that is not an issue. "Control" of a Marine's life is not the issue. He can receive news information from plenty of authorized web sites, televisions in messhalls, care packages, letters, and phone calls. But that Marine will be controlled when it comes to eating up bandwidth, passing unauthorized information, and risking networks to viruses. And when it comes to the Internet cafes over there, the more bandwidth the individual uses, to down load some song or video or to watch YouTube, the less bandwidth everyone else in that network has.

Welcome to the 21st century.

You just repeated what i said in a long winded fashion.

Paul
 
The military didn't have to content with the Internet during Vietnam. It's not about receiving information. CNN, ABC, FOX and what ever else news agency is open from border to border. News channels are broadcasted in the mess halls on the bases in Iraq. There is also letters and phone calls if one needs to know what arcade game just got placed in the local ice cream parlor back home. The problem with the Internet is that information also goes out and this is why blog sites and sites with open discussions (debatepoliticis.com) is banned from government and military networks.

Most sensitive and classified information gets passed without the guilty even aware they did it.......

My information + another guys information in another unit = intel.

It's easy enough to set up Centers where you can still have access to a "Free and Open Internet",,,in Receiving ALL Sites. And control all OUT-GOING traffic.

This is Censorship in my opinion. :(
 
It's not partisan. It's knee jerk reaction to something that is not an issue. "Control" of a Marine's life is not the issue. He can receive news information from plenty of authorized web sites, televisions in messhalls, care packages, letters, and phone calls. But that Marine will be controlled when it comes to eating up bandwidth, passing unauthorized information, and risking networks to viruses. And when it comes to the Internet cafes over there, the more bandwidth the individual uses, to down load some song or video or to watch YouTube, the less bandwidth everyone else in that network has.

Welcome to the 21st century.

If I am reading this right, its just going to be a ban on the Marine Corps operating networks. They aren't banning personell from using Facebook/Twitter etc... on their personal computers.
 
It's not partisan. It's knee jerk reaction to something that is not an issue. "Control" of a Marine's life is not the issue. He can receive news information from plenty of authorized web sites, televisions in messhalls, care packages, letters, and phone calls. But that Marine will be controlled when it comes to eating up bandwidth, passing unauthorized information, and risking networks to viruses. And when it comes to the Internet cafes over there, the more bandwidth the individual uses, to down load some song or video or to watch YouTube, the less bandwidth everyone else in that network has.

Welcome to the 21st century.


OHHH...There's that nasty little Censorship streak again Sarge.:lol: When you say : He can receive news information from plenty of authorized web sites, we part Company.
 
You've decided that The Corp has a "Right" to control every minute, of everyday of a Marines Life,,,and what he or she can see and hear. :lol: I'm for keeping the Troops Safe, and Free.;)

If that's being "Partisan",,,yep, I am.:mrgreen:

Please stop putting words in my mouth.

No, I have decided that the Corps has the right and obligation to keep the troops as safe as possible.

Are you familiar with the 'social' sites mentioned? How they work? What type of immediate personal information is shared and decimated? You're basically allowing people to know what you're doing, feeling, thinking at any given moment.

Banning the specific sites mentioned in the article makes perfect sense.
 
What absolutely cracks me up is the hyper-partisan rants and raves about this one without fully researching the issue. These sites were already filtered out, and do NOT affect their personal pcs. So whats the problem.

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However, the service's computer network already effectively blocks users from reaching social networks, officials said. Marine officials said part of the reason for the new ban was to set up a special waiver system that govern access for Marines who need to reach the sites as part of their duties.

Pentagon to evaluate online social networking - Yahoo! News
 
It's easy enough to set up Centers where you can still have access to a "Free and Open Internet",,,in Receiving ALL Sites. And control all OUT-GOING traffic.

This is Censorship in my opinion. :(

Damn dude. It's exactly what it is. So what? This isn't your house where some Nazi attired guard monitors your Internet activity. This is the military in a combat environment full of sensitive information at combat with the international global spanning Internet. Your damn right its censorship.

You don't seem to get what I am stating when I refer to "bandwidth." If 40guys want to get on a computer in one of the Internet Cafes on Al-Asad just to read his e-mails and pass some back, he must contend with the 10 others who are eating away bandwidth just to download the new Britney CD or latest celebrity XXX video, or to simply watch their missed episode of iCarly on the Disney Channel. On another note, what good does it do the military if they have investigate a case (every shooting requires one), while the entire world is making assumptions, criticisms, and conclusions based off of some idiots idea of a cool video to place on YouTube?

You are making an issue out of nothing and you are disregarding the ramifications of "open and free" in a military war zone. Consider this very real scenario.....

Two Marines wearing Dress Blues approach a strangers house. They knock on the door. They begin to inform the family inside that their son has died in the line of duty while serving his country with great bravery and integrity. Before they can finish, the bitter family replies that they already know because their neighbor got an e-mail from a friend or they watched their son die on YouTube in an IED attack.

...this is not the way to find this out. In fact, it is disgusting. For the Marines, their is a policy in place. When a Marine in the unit dies, the Internet connection for that unit is shut down until the military in CONUS can knock on the door to prevent this very real thing from happening again.

This "censorship" is not about the liberal dream of utopia. It is about dealing with a very real and dangerous problem in order to save American lives in a combat zone while at the same time also allowing the military to honor their dead appropriately.
 
OHHH...There's that nasty little Censorship streak again Sarge.:lol: When you say : He can receive news information from plenty of authorized web sites, we part Company.

You parted company a long time ago when you placed the safety and security of our troops aside in order to rant and rave about liberal dreams and utopian prescriptions as if this was about your neighborhood in Idaho.

Did you know that certain clothing is also not authorized in the military? There are many things that are and are not authorized in the military. for example, I can't wear a shirt with a Swastika on it nor can I wear by Cammie blouse while wearing Dress Blue Trousers. Nor can I wear Nikes in uniform. That's why they call it a military. We exist so that the civilian can do whatever he/she pleases. For someone that served before, you sure have a bitter outlook as to what the military is supposed to be.
 
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What absolutely cracks me up is the hyper-partisan rants and raves about this one without fully researching the issue. These sites were already filtered out, and do NOT affect their personal pcs. So whats the problem.

*snip*

So now we have a Liberal, and a Moderate defending a "Filtered (Censored) Marine Corp".:lol: So much for Free Speech, and Equal Rights in Access. For the very People that're laying their Life on the Line for ALL OF US.:roll:

So,,, "What's the Problem"?:roll:
 
For the very People that're laying their Life on the Line for ALL OF US.:roll:

So,,, "What's the Problem"?:roll:

So.....it's cool for them to lay their lives on the line for you just as long as no precautions to keep them safe from leaked information is in effect?
 
You parted company a long time ago when you placed the safety and security of our troops aside in order to rant and rave about liberal dreams and utopian prescriptions as if this was about your neighborhood in Idaho.

I seem to recall Gobbels had that said attitude about "Free Speech"...:lol:

"The "Chains of Security" on Free Speech for our Armed Forces doesn't quite cut it Sarge.:lol:
 
If I am reading this right, its just going to be a ban on the Marine Corps operating networks. They aren't banning personell from using Facebook/Twitter etc... on their personal computers.

If they are connected to a network that reaches outside of Iraq (Internet) they are locked from sights such as Hotmail, forums, etc. There is a lot of viruses associated with sights where bandwidth flows between just to stay connected.

I don't know if they can get on Facebook/Twitter. It's a blog so probably not. And if so, they won't be for long. You should know this. In the heat of the moment (or just after a moment), an individual will state and write all kinds of things before he has had a chance to calm down and process. This is why we preach to our Marines to constantly talk to each other. The last thing the Marine Corps (or any other branch) needs is to have a blog pop up that states that Marines were slaughtering dozens of civilians when the facts were that a couple were accidentally killed or that he was a part of some mission into Syria just to impress a girl he met on the Internet. What would the media do with a story that comes from a Marine written on the Internet about a unit entering Syria on a top secret mission? You see it here. When a Marine is involved, people look into it with greater interest.

There is a lot to consider here.
 
I seem to recall Gobbels had that said attitude about "Free Speech"...:lol:

"The "Chains of Security" on Free Speech for our Armed Forces doesn't quite cut it Sarge.:lol:

Cut it for who? You? Free speech is a civilian's luxury. Not a military's. And when it comes to the military and the Internet, information kills. They can write letters, talk on the phone, read and receive e-mails, watch the news, and read newspapers. They cannot eat up bandwidth on blog sites, talk about mission sensitive information, or connect to sites known for intriducing viruses into networks.

What is it exactly that you are bitching about in regards to "free speech" or censorship?
 
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You parted company a long time ago when you placed the safety and security of our troops aside in order to rant and rave about liberal dreams and utopian prescriptions as if this was about your neighborhood in Idaho.

Did you know that certain clothing is also not authorized in the military? There are many things that are and are not authorized in the military. for example, I can't wear a shirt with a Swastika on it nor can I wear by Cammie blouse while wearing Dress Blue Trousers. Nor can I wear Nikes in uniform. That's why they call it a military. We exist so that the civilian can do whatever he/she pleases. For someone that served before, you sure have a bitter outlook as to what the military is supposed to be.

Bitter Attitude...?:roll: Watching the samething happen to our Military, that happened during Nam don't come close to what I feel. :doh Remember to read anyone that's tries to kill you, or your Men,,,their Miranda Rights.:lol:

Ain't B.O. Great?:)
 
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Bitter Attitude...?

Yes...bitter attitude. Get over it. Watch a movie. 'Nam is over. If you need to compare something to it look towards Afghanistan.


Ain't B.O. Great?:)[/COLOR]

And since this "censorship" has been going on since 2004, what exactly does President Obama have to do with it? I guess it was about our troops safety and INFOSEC when it came to President Bush, huh? Now I see the partisan.
 
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