Blackwater founder implicated in murder

[WillRockwell]

A former Blackwater employee and an ex-US Marine who has worked as a security operative for the company have made a series of explosive allegations in sworn statements filed on August 3 in federal court in Virginia. The two men claim that the company's owner, Erik Prince, may have murdered or facilitated the murder of individuals who were cooperating with federal authorities investigating the company. The former employee also alleges that Prince "views himself as a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe," and that Prince's companies "encouraged and rewarded the destruction of Iraqi life."

Blackwater Founder Implicated in Murder

This scumbag is worse than I thought.

 

[RightinNYC]

The former employee, identified in the court documents as "John Doe #2," is a former member of Blackwater's management team, according to a source close to the case. Doe #2 alleges in a sworn declaration that, based on information provided to him by former colleagues, "it appears that Mr. Prince and his employees murdered, or had murdered, one or more persons who have provided information, or who were planning to provide information, to the federal authorities about the ongoing criminal conduct."

In a separate sworn statement, the former US marine who worked for Blackwater in Iraq alleges that he has "learned from my Blackwater colleagues and former colleagues that one or more persons who have provided information, or who were planning to provide information about Erik Prince and Blackwater have been killed in suspicious circumstances."

A "Thanks" to the first person who can identify the problem with these two statements.

 

[Joe1991]

I hope karma has finally caught up to these war profiteering bastards.

 

[goldendog]

You get what you give.......................

 

[sam_w]

A "Thanks" to the first person who can identify the problem with these two statements.

Hearsay, which while certainly not admissible in court to quote Perry Mason, certainly does them no good publicity wise.

However, regardless of the merits of this story, these private contractors do need to start operating under some form of rules, regulation, or authority. I do not see why most of these could not fall under the jurisdiction of the military.

 

[formerroadie]

I hope the guy sits in a cell for the rest of his sick life.

 

[RightinNYC]

Hearsay, which while certainly not admissible in court to quote Perry Mason, certainly does them no good publicity wise.

Agreed, but given the paucity of facts and the bias of the author of this article, I don't know how much, if any, of this to believe.

Jeremy Scahill, a Puffin Foundation Writing Fellow at The Nation Institute, is the author of the bestselling Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army, published by Nation Books. He is an award-winning investigative journalist and correspondent for the national radio and TV program Democracy Now!.

Scahill's work appears frequently on Alternet, Commondreams, Counterpunch, Truthout, Antiwar.com, Huffington Post and many other independent news sites.

:rofl

However, regardless of the merits of this story, these private contractors do need to start operating under some form of rules, regulation, or authority. I do not see why most of these could not fall under the jurisdiction of the military.

They are already subject to plenty of authority. The Justice Department indicted 5 guards over the Nisoor Square incident.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

They are already subject to plenty of authority. The Justice Department indicted 5 guards over the Nisoor Square incident.

I remember at one point the DoD et al weren't even sure of how many companies were providing private security services in Iraq at the US expense. I think that may be a sign of less than optimal oversight, "subject to authority" or no.

 

[sam_w]

Agreed, but given the paucity of facts and the bias of the author of this article, I don't know how much, if any, of this to believe.

As with everything else in life we will not know the story for months, if not years to come. Hence why I am not necessarily going to jump on this story. Just like the so called massacre at Haditha, it took a long time and finally a damn good investigative doc by PBS Frontline that showed what really happened is not what was first reported (and why some certain member of Congress should have kept his loud mouth shut).

With that said, there is no more doubt that private contractors under the old cowboy rules did more harm that good; for both the U.S. and the men on the ground. I just finished reading Big Boy Rules by Steve Fainaru, which really gives an excellent insight into the world of private contractors in Iraq. Tragic story too as it recounts the deaths of several contractors, one of whom lived just a couple of miles away from me.

They are already subject to plenty of authority. The Justice Department indicted 5 guards over the Nisoor Square incident.

I spoke to soon. I forget they did pass a law last year. Too bad it was a few years too late. These gung ho jingoist prick mercenaries made life entirely more dangerous for our soldiers, who of course did not receive the six figure salaries. They rode around the country shooting up everything in sight, disregarding the impact it would have on the population. They were a P.R. nightmare, that at some points even got so out of control they drew weapons on our own soldiers. That is just plain f**ked up. In that event if the U.S. or UK troops shot back, I would have demanded they get a medal.

 

[WillRockwell]

Agreed, but given the paucity of facts and the bias of the author of this article, I don't know how much, if any, of this to believe.

You are defending Blackwater? Sweet:shoot:catapult::gunner::blastem:

 

[sam_w]

You are defending Blackwater? Sweet:shoot:catapult::gunner::blastem:

I think the problem with this article is it relies on too much 3rd party information. John Doe "Heard from someone else" is not entirely as convincing as "John Doe was witness to" or "John Doe was told x,y,z..).

As for the allegation that Prince saw this as some form of grand Christian Crusade to kill Muslims. I would not be surprised in the least bit considering who he is, and his background. But I would not consider again 3rd party allegation to be of any real value at this point.

We will know a whole hell of a lot more soon as the case wings through the justice system.

 

[aps]

I will be interested to see how this turns out. It's always interesting to me to see Christians using religion to justify crimes.

 

[Zyphlin]

Its always interesting to me to watch people swoop into a thread with a guy they don't like, proclaiming how happy they are they'll be behind bars and immediately assuming the very specious facts are correct, based on little to no actual evidence...yet if similar things happened with people they actually like they'd be raining down hellfire and brimstone on those that were doing as they do and trying to make it out that its somehow symptomatic of "all conservatives". :roll:

If there is actually any legitimate, ACTUAL, proof of this then it should go to trial. If it goes to trial and he's found guilty he should serve time. If this is just utter bull**** that's been fabricated to do exactly what one poster is cheering, damage them publicly, then the person doing it should be held responsible for that.

 

[WillRockwell]

Its always interesting to me to watch people swoop into a thread with a guy they don't like, proclaiming how happy they are they'll be behind bars and immediately assuming the very specious facts are correct, based on little to no actual evidence...yet if similar things happened with people they actually like they'd be raining down hellfire and brimstone on those that were doing as they do and trying to make it out that its somehow symptomatic of "all conservatives". :roll:

If there is actually any legitimate, ACTUAL, proof of this then it should go to trial. If it goes to trial and he's found guilty he should serve time. If this is just utter bull**** that's been fabricated to do exactly what one poster is cheering, damage them publicly, then the person doing it should be held responsible for that.

The story is based on sworn testimony from multiple sources, this is not rumor or conjecture.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Gotta love it how the usual suspects come in to demonize someone who thier political leaning told them not to like.


Blackwater are stand up guys, and I have been very impressed with thier training seminars and thier proffessionalism. The simple fact that couch sitters sit around wishing oh wishing for personal harm to come to people who fight our enemy reeks of hypocrisy and simple low class hatred due to far left ideologue thinking...


Pathetic.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

The story is based on sworn testimony from multiple sources, this is not rumor or conjecture.

Sleaze charge: 'I took drugs, had homo sex with Obama'



By your logic.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Its always interesting to me to watch people swoop into a thread with a guy they don't like, proclaiming how happy they are they'll be behind bars and immediately assuming the very specious facts are correct, based on little to no actual evidence...yet if similar things happened with people they actually like they'd be raining down hellfire and brimstone on those that were doing as they do and trying to make it out that its somehow symptomatic of "all conservatives". :roll:

If there is actually any legitimate, ACTUAL, proof of this then it should go to trial. If it goes to trial and he's found guilty he should serve time. If this is just utter bull**** that's been fabricated to do exactly what one poster is cheering, damage them publicly, then the person doing it should be held responsible for that.

This is the remenants of that old "accusatio=guilt" methodology of the extreme close minded left.... To just keep accusing of a crime, eventually it can damage a reputation. We saw certain people do this to everyone from Bush, to ted freakin nugent.... It's sad, but readilly transparent..... I have seen it on the extreme close minded right here, but not nearly as often.....



you are right on.

 

[aps]

Sleaze charge: 'I took drugs, had homo sex with Obama'



By your logic.

At least with that guy, we could make an assessment on his credibility. We don't know who these John Doe people are. Time will tell.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

At least with that guy, we could make an assessment on his credibility. We don't know who these John Doe people are. Time will tell.

So on oneside you have unkown people, who are targeting a group that is vllified by the extremists....


Or you can take the word of the accussed who for the most part are honorably discharged vets, many of whom are sf qualified, the bes of the best....


I'd side with the vets EVERY time over anonymous nar do wells.

 

[aps]

So on oneside you have unkown people, who are targeting a group that is vllified by the extremists....


Or you can take the word of the accussed who for the most part are honorably discharged vets, many of whom are sf qualified, the bes of the best....


I'd side with the vets EVERY time over anonymous nar do wells.

I understand that rationale. I will wait to see how this plays out. I think it's unlikely that someone would make allegations as extreme as this without having something upon which to base them. I don't have strong feelings on this subject matter.

 

[American]

A "Thanks" to the first person who can identify the problem with these two statements.

hearsay evidence

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

I understand that rationale. I will wait to see how this plays out. I think it's unlikely that someone would make allegations as extreme as this without having something upon which to base them. I don't have strong feelings on this subject matter.

I think it would be unlikley someone would make a public accusation without either having something, or being a kook.


But when you stay anonymous. You are most likley a kook. Obama birfers anyone?

 

[WillRockwell]

At least with that guy, we could make an assessment on his credibility. We don't know who these John Doe people are. Time will tell.

They are federal witnesses under protection. Why? Because Blackwater has already killed other witnesses.

 

[Catz Part Deux]

The story is based on sworn testimony from multiple sources, this is not rumor or conjecture.

Actually, it is COMPLETELY based upon rumor and conjecture. That isn't the legal meaning of the term "implicated."

 

[Catz Part Deux]

From the OP:

The Nation cannot independently verify the identities of the two individuals, their roles at Blackwater or what motivated them to provide sworn testimony in these civil cases. Both individuals state that they have previously cooperated with federal prosecutors conducting a criminal inquiry into Blackwater.

"It's a pending investigation, so we cannot comment on any matters in front of a Grand Jury or if a Grand Jury even exists on these matters," John Roth, the spokesperson for the US Attorney's office in the District of Columbia, told The Nation. "It would be a crime if we did that." Asked specifically about whether there is a criminal investigation into Prince regarding the murder allegations and other charges, Roth said: "We would not be able to comment on what we are or are not doing in regards to any possible investigation involving an uncharged individual."

There is NO confirmation, NONE, that this is a criminal investigation. It is a CIVIL MATTER. Any suggestion, by Will or anyone else, that there are federal charges pending, that a grand jury exists, or that a criminal investigation is ongoing are simply spurious and without basis.

These individuals are NOT, as Will has stated, under FEDERAL PROTECTION. Their names were sealed at the request of their civil litigator.

Learn to read.

This is akin to the civil lawsuit filed against Bill & Hilary Clinton, alleging their complicity in the death of Vince Foster in the Whitewater matter.

As you'll remember, no charges were EVER filed against the Clintons, and every single investigation by a law enforcement agency found that Foster's death was a suicide.