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Trump has a path to victory: it's voter suppression

ludin said:
I guess you missed the democratic primary in NY where they rejected 20% of the mail in ballots because they were late or had
issues on the ballot
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And the entire third of the electorate that already votes by mail? And the tens of millions who voted for Trump by mail? I don't think any party should be disingenuously refusing to count votes - but it's the GOP right now who don't want people to have the chance to vote at all.
 
uptower said:
Tens of thousands have complained of being turned away because of long lines, struck off rolls, deregistered and miscounted. In Georgia last midterms alone over 50,000 people were in a court challenge to get back on the rolls after being struck off and missed the election because the state attorney general Brian kemp (who was running for governor) refused to proceed with their case.

These sound like people who want to vote.
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LA had long voting lines. Were they trying to suppress the vote?

My state of Kentucky (Democratic governor) was accused of vote suppression by having only one polling place open in the county but increased mail in voting. More people wound up voting than normally would have but we were accused of vote suppression anyway. I am convinced that Democrats are furthering this narrative so that if Biden loses, they will all scream vote suppression. The Russians are coming didn't work so this is the new thing to have as an insurance policy in case Trump wins. Here comes Mueller and another impeachment claiming Trump colluded with the post office to win the election.
 
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trouble13 said:
Seems odd that people who have concerns about mail in votes would still try to do it. The best way to make sure your vote counts is to cast it in person.

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I'm in agreement, there.
 
I wasn't even aware that Rhode Island (and other states) had a requirement that voters had to sign mail-in ballots in the presence of two witnesses or a notary. A notary??? Good on SCOTUS for shooting down Republicans' relentless push to keep that active during the Covid pandemic.

High court: Rhode Island mail-in voters don't need witnesses
 
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Fred C Dobbs II said:
There isn't enough time. Perhaps it can be raised again in 2022. Or people will have voter ID.
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Fine, work on it then. But the current mail in voting system needs to stay intact. You don't get to just ban it until some arbitrary perfect fix is implemented by right wing assholes who don't actually want to fix the issue.

That's the deal. Fix it whenever you want, but it stays in place.
 
uptower said:
And the entire third of the electorate that already votes by mail? And the tens of millions who voted for Trump by mail? I don't think any party should be disingenuously refusing to count votes - but it's the GOP right now who don't want people to have the chance to vote at all.
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Yet democrats are. As usual your lies are exposed for what they are.

Republicans more importantly real americans want to ensure the integrity of our election system.
Which means doing all the things that leftist hate. Which is upholding the law and rules and order.

1. You have to be registered to vote
2. YOu must be able to prove you are a citizen of this country
3. You must contain a valid form of ID
4. Your information must be correct on your documents
5. Voter registration rolls are up to date and accurate.
6. Mail in ballots are requests not just automatically mailed out to who knows who.
7. Tracking systems are in place to track the ballot
8. Signature software is installed to verify the signature and people are there to double
verify the signature.
9. All people must sign their name into the software. which has to be updated every few years.


YOu know if you agree with all of those then we can have a rational logical discussion.
until then you are just blowing smoke.
 
Aletheia said:
I wasn't even aware that Rhode Island (and other states) had a requirement that voters had to sign mail-in ballots in the presence of two witnesses or a notary. A notary??? Good on SCOTUS for shooting down Republicans' relentless push to keep that active during the Covid pandemic.

High court: Rhode Island mail-in voters don't need witnesses
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It is RI law that 2 witnesses sign see it signed. Democrats once again thwarting the law in an because it gets in the way of their agenda.
It has nothing to do with the GOP.
 
ludin said:
Yet democrats are. As usual your lies are exposed for what they are.

Republicans more importantly real americans want to ensure the integrity of our election system.
Which means doing all the things that leftist hate. Which is upholding the law and rules and order.

1. You have to be registered to vote
2. YOu must be able to prove you are a citizen of this country
3. You must contain a valid form of ID
4. Your information must be correct on your documents
5. Voter registration rolls are up to date and accurate.
6. Mail in ballots are requests not just automatically mailed out to who knows who.
7. Tracking systems are in place to track the ballot
8. Signature software is installed to verify the signature and people are there to double
verify the signature.
9. All people must sign their name into the software. which has to be updated every few years.


YOu know if you agree with all of those then we can have a rational logical discussion.
until then you are just blowing smoke.
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All of those can be abused by corrupt officials: they can deregister the registered, fail to send out he forms to those who need to re-register; challenge a signature even after a computer has verified it; challenge the ID given; refuse to mail out the absentee ballots because they're not 'tracked'.

And they do all of these and more.

The real voter fraud is the massive campaign of suppression, not a handful of cases of in-person fraud.

And to talk about a 'rational discussion' then accuse people of 'blowing smoke' is rich to say the least.
 
uptower said:
All of those can be abused by corrupt officials: they can deregister the registered, fail to send out he forms to those who need to re-register; challenge a signature even after a computer has verified it; challenge the ID given; refuse to mail out the absentee ballots because they're not 'tracked'.

And they do all of these and more.

The real voter fraud is the massive campaign of suppression, not a handful of cases of in-person fraud.

And to talk about a 'rational discussion' then accuse people of 'blowing smoke' is rich to say the least.
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as i said you are just blowing smoke. you are dismissed.
 
When the Democratic Party talks about "voter suppression" they mean trying to prevent non-citizens from voting and preventing fraudulently cast ballots. That's why they never say "American voter suppression," just "voter suppression."
 
ludin said:
It is RI law that 2 witnesses sign see it signed. Democrats once again thwarting the law in an because it gets in the way of their agenda.
It has nothing to do with the GOP.
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So much for secret voting.
 
 
joko104 said:
When the Democratic Party talks about "voter suppression" they mean trying to prevent non-citizens from voting and preventing fraudulently cast ballots. That's why they never say "American voter suppression," just "voter suppression."
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Umm, no. That's not why at all. In fact I'm pretty sure you just made that up now.
 
ludin said:
It is RI law that 2 witnesses sign see it signed. Democrats once again thwarting the law in an because it gets in the way of their agenda.
It has nothing to do with the GOP.
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"The justices rejected a request by the Republican National Committee and Rhode Island Republicans to freeze a lower-court order that approved an agreement between state election officials and civic groups to waive a requirement that absentee ballots be signed in the presence of either two witnesses or a notary."

A lower court had approved an agreement to waive requirements for requiring two witnesses or a notary must be present for absentee ballot signatures.
This was approved to get rid of an unconstitutional burden in light of the Covid-19 pandemic.
The Republican National Committee and Rhode Island Republicans tried to intervene and stop this lower court ruling from happening.
SCOTUS stepped in and told them too bad, you can't burden these voters during Covid-19.

Once again, Republicans, stepping in to thwart the courts ruling and burden voters, because it gets in the way of their agenda.

So, Republicans have nothing to do with the GOP?
 
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Aletheia said:
"The justices rejected a request by the Republican National Committee and Rhode Island Republicans to freeze a lower-court order that approved an agreement between state election officials and civic groups to waive a requirement that absentee ballots be signed in the presence of either two witnesses or a notary."

A lower court had approved an agreement to waive requirements for requiring two witnesses or a notary must be present for absentee ballot signatures.
This was approved to get rid of an unconstitutional burden in light of the Covid-19 pandemic.
The Republican National Committee and Rhode Island Republicans tried to intervene and stop this lower court ruling from happening.
SCOTUS stepped in and told them too bad, you can't burden these voters during Covid-19.

Once again, Republicans, stepping in to thwart the courts ruling and burden voters, because it gets in the way of their agenda.

So, Republicans have nothing to do with the GOP?
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No republican have nothing to do with the fact that democrats are once again ignoring their own laws they pass and are illegally suspending
and changing laws that get in their way.

The courts for some reason forgot their purpose which is to uphold the law as written.
RI would need their legislature to pass a special bill to do what they did. The Gov nor anyone else
has the right to just suspend laws because they don't like them at that moment in time.

The courts should have struck down the agreement for what it was illegal.
 
uptower said:
Trump Has A Path To Victory. It's Voter Suppression.

This article discusses a whole suite of dirty tricks, A sample, bold by me:



100,000 voters in 2016, lost their vote for postage due. Trump won by 77,000.

So there's:

gerrymandering
closing polling stations
New ID laws
Special IDs for students
demanding ballots are notarized
multiple witnesses (during coronavirus)
purging rolls and 'de-registering'
'challenging' ballots (the actual voter fraud)
selectively refusing absentee ballots
slowing the postal service

And of course the war on mail-in. You mail in your registration, you do your drivers licence by mail, the treasury mailed everyone a $1,200 check; the president and half his cabinet and family and half a dozen entire states vote by mail. But suddenly that's not 'safe' to do anymore.

Suppressing the vote was instrumental in 2016. There were other things: misinformation, a poorly run Clinton campaign, Vladimir Putin, sure. But this time Trump is so far behind that suppression has to be ramped up on several fronts to make up the difference.
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Lefties can protest, go to walmart, go golfing...but cant ****ing vote. Sounds about right.
 
Everybody knows that Republicans, especially small gov't paleo conservatives and libertarians have absolutely no chance of ever winning any popular vote election, the more people vote the less chance any small gov't liberal would ever win. People are sheep and want to be lead, they want to be handled and they want entitlements, and the more they have, the more they want, the less they have to do, the less they want to do. As long as gov't handouts get bigger and more and more people get on assistance of any kind, the less chance the constitution has of staying the law of the land. Eventually, when 70% of the masses are brainless morons on assistance, the Dems will have their 2/3rds majority to overthrow the constitution and bring in true democracy, otherwise known as communism, or state control corporatism (fascism), pick your poison.

Universal suffrage in the US guaranteed that one day the US will die, as allowing people on social (public) assistance to vote is absolute insanity, and any party that is small gov't and about personal rights and responsibilities has no chance.

This will not end well, it will be a hot civil war eventually, but not until someone tries to amend the constitution, or until the left has such a majority of activists judged that the constitution become irrelevant as new language is used to interpret the constitution any way they see fit.

When that day comes, most true liberals will ally themselves with conservatives, as this has already started (like myself), as the radical left that drives this divide today is too radical for most people.
 
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