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Deutsche Bank Reportedly Gave Trump’s Financial Records to Manhattan District Attorney

There is dual justice system in this country.

Even if he is found guilty, he'll only pay a small fine (relative to his income), and be on his merry way. He'll never have to admit guilt.

It's just the cost of doing business when you're wealthy. It is very rare for a millionaire/ billionaire to do hard time (unless they screwed other wealthy people - e.g. Madoff)
 
There is dual justice system in this country.

Even if he is found guilty, he'll only pay a small fine (relative to his income), and be on his merry way. He'll never have to admit guilt.

It's just the cost of doing business when you're wealthy. It is very rare for a millionaire/ billionaire to do hard time (unless they screwed other wealthy people - e.g. Madoff)

You're probably right. Though, they have sent Governors, Senators and Congressmen to prison for way less. This is interesting
The filing should send panic rushing through the Trump empire. “The serious state crimes by Donald Trump and his enterprises that Cyrus Vance has indicated he is pursuing as Manhattan DA cannot be shielded from prosecution by any invocation of presidential immunity, nor are they beyond the reach of prosecution and punishment by virtue of time,” constitutional scholar Laurence Tribe tells me. “The ongoing pattern of financial fraud and deception quite plausibly establishes an inseparable criminal scheme that prevents the statute of limitations from taking even the earliest instances of felonious conduct by Trump and his co-conspirators off the table.”

On the issue of the statute of limitations, former House impeachment counsel Norman Eisen says, “Statutes of limitation can be held open by a variety of circumstances, such as ongoing conspiracies, concealment and other equitable considerations, although that is not easy to do.” He adds, “Still, if the evidence, for example, demonstrates a single continuous fraud by Trump, it might or might not overcome the normal time limits for prosecution.”

As of now, of course, no indictment has come, and Trump enjoys the presumption of innocence. The grand jury’s work is secret, so we do not know if it is at its beginning, middle or the end. “The question of whether to indict before Election Day — if it is even logistically possible — is an agonizing one. It will be viewed as politicizing the prosecution and criminalizing the election,” cautions Eisen. “If the prosecutors are in fact ready to go, better to do so after the election is settled.” He adds: “Whatever they do, the good news is that if they decide to prosecute, a presidential self-pardon won’t work both because it is unconstitutional and because federal pardons don’t apply to state offenses like these.”

A few points deserve emphasis: First, this news undercuts the notion perpetrated after the Supreme Court’s ruling that it was a partial victory for Trump. Vance will almost certainly get his evidence, and the timeline may be far shorter than some commentators fear. Second, we do not need nor should we want this to be the decisive issue in the election; Trump likely faces a broad repudiation by voters, which is highly preferable to an indictment before the election that Trump could blame for his loss. Finally, the genius of a federal system and an independent judiciary as a block against an executive seeking authoritarian powers has never been more evident — or appreciated.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/08/04/trumps-biggest-problem-may-be-closest-home/
 
Deutsche Bank Gave Trump’s Records to DA Vance: Report The DA just needs the material from the bank and accounting firm to indict Trump for tax fraud. The statute of limitations for criminal tax fraud and evasion in New York State is five years. The 2015 NY tax returns were due April 2016. Thus, statute of limitations does not run out until April 2021. What is the probability the Trump filed any tax return that was not fraudulent, especially for a year that he was not president?

possibly extensive
that could confirm
From previous subpoenas, it is understood that Vance’s office is investigating hush payments Trump made in 2016 to women he allegedly had affairs with, to determine if the then-candidate violated New York State law.

I love the way these articles are written...just enough could be and maybe's that if it is all hogwash, they cant be sued for liable

Yet you all eat it all up with a spoon....

I will wait on the ACTUAL EVIDENCE provided before determining guilt....

i think that is the way it actually works still.....
 
Either they did or they didn't. From the independent sources that I'm seeing, they did indeed. :lol:

Nope... absolutely did not! Bet they are the same independent sources pushing the Russian collusion hoax! ;)
 
Deutsche Bank Gave Trump’s Records to DA Vance: Report The DA just needs the material from the bank and accounting firm to indict Trump for tax fraud. The statute of limitations for criminal tax fraud and evasion in New York State is five years. The 2015 NY tax returns were due April 2016. Thus, statute of limitations does not run out until April 2021. What is the probability the Trump filed any tax return that was not fraudulent, especially for a year that he was not president?

I'd say about 100%.

Trump's taxes are prepared by accounting firms that have a lot to lose if they are involved in any fraud. They are reviewed by officials at the IRS. Both of these are far more competent than internet wannabees.
 
For those interested I highly recommend Red Notice by Bill Browder. The book is riveting and extremely well written.

The book is a wealth of information regarding Russian criminals cum oligarchs awash with money they stole from the Russian people and how it was accomplished; how they began to launder their ill-gotten gains (real estate was a major vehicle to launder money); how they used threats, violence and murder against people who opposed them; how Putin controls the Russian billionaire oligarchs; how Deutsche Bank is involved; and how much of the above led to the Magnitsky Act, the law Russia wanted overturned which led to Flynn's involvement with Russia on Trump's behalf.

It is a fascinating read that is skillfully written like a good spy novel except it isn't a novel. Bill Browder was very deeply involved from the beginning. Sergei Magnitsky worked for Browder when Magnitsky was brutally murdered.
 
possibly extensive
that could confirm
From previous subpoenas, it is understood that Vance’s office is investigating hush payments Trump made in 2016 to women he allegedly had affairs with, to determine if the then-candidate violated New York State law.

I love the way these articles are written...just enough could be and maybe's that if it is all hogwash, they cant be sued for liable

Yet you all eat it all up with a spoon....

I will wait on the ACTUAL EVIDENCE provided before determining guilt....

i think that is the way it actually works still.....

The information now is that the investigation is much larger in scope. Either it is or it isn't. Either deutsche bank complied with the subpoena or they didn't. We will see.
 
More delusional bull crap...... From the same group that pushed the phony Russian collusion hoax! Trump haters!

They did not give the tax records. That case is still in federal court!!

On to the next I hate Trump thread. :doh

Common sense would lead people to believe that you have proof. Provide us with the links.
 
I'd say about 100%.

Trump's taxes are prepared by accounting firms that have a lot to lose if they are involved in any fraud. They are reviewed by officials at the IRS. Both of these are far more competent than internet wannabees.

Exactly. No firm is going to put their business or their credibility with their other clients for 1 guy.
Plus he already went through an IRS audit when he was president.

If the obama administration didn't find an issue with this taxes then guess what.
there isn't an issue with his taxes.
 
For those interested I highly recommend Red Notice by Bill Browder. The book is riveting and extremely well written.

The book is a wealth of information regarding Russian criminals cum oligarchs awash with money they stole from the Russian people and how it was accomplished; how they began to launder their ill-gotten gains (real estate was a major vehicle to launder money); how they used threats, violence and murder against people who opposed them; how Putin controls the Russian billionaire oligarchs; how Deutsche Bank is involved; and how much of the above led to the Magnitsky Act, the law Russia wanted overturned which led to Flynn's involvement with Russia on Trump's behalf.

It is a fascinating read that is skillfully written like a good spy novel except it isn't a novel. Bill Browder was very deeply involved from the beginning. Sergei Magnitsky worked for Browder when Magnitsky was brutally murdered.


I think Browder is still careful where he travels. It was a good read.
 
Yep, and Mueller didn't have the guts (or the time) to look into Trump's finances. That was unfortunate, as it is Trump's finance entanglements with Russia that are really at the heart of Putin's influence over him. It should have been the focus of Mueller's investigation. Well, we will eventually learn all of this. I suspect the good work of the Manhattan DA will be cracking the egg that will make the omelette that will be the end of Donald Trump --- not just politically.

So 50 forensic FBI agents, two dozen CIA officials, 2500 witnesses, 17 super lawyers, and millions of seized documents couldn't find any financial connection between Trump and Russia but a New York DA is going to crack this egg? :lamo
 
One question that to my knowledge has not been answered is who covered Trump's loans? He did not have assets to cover 2 billion dollars. Trump was well known by US and international lenders to be a very bad business risk. He was not able to find any western lender willing to loan him money. Deutsche Bank, known for its deep involvement with Russian oligarchs who laundered money, loaned Trump money when no one else would. There has long been speculation that Russian oligarchs backed Trump's loans from Deutsche Bank.

The bank did an audit on Trump's assets after he said he was worth billions and found that he was only worth about 700 million....but they lent him $600 million anyway. Why would the bank care when it's other investors money they were using to front Trump? The bank made their money from the interest on the loans...so they made money without taking any risk of their own.


Apparently, the bank prided itself on lending to people that other banks wouldn't. They said they loved the risk...but it their investors that took all the risk, not them.
 
The bank did an audit on Trump's assets after he said he was worth billions and found that he was only worth about 700 million....but they lent him $600 million anyway. Why would the bank care when it's other investors money they were using to front Trump? The bank made their money from the interest on the loans...so they made money without taking any risk of their own.


Apparently, the bank prided itself on lending to people that other banks wouldn't. They said they loved the risk...but it their investors that took all the risk, not them.

Yes, and Russian money underwrote some of Trump's Deutsche loans. Deutsche was (is?) deeply involved in money laundering.
 
Yes, and Russian money underwrote some of Trump's Deutsche loans. Deutsche was (is?) deeply involved in money laundering.

Follow the money...Russians bought real estate from Trump, too. There was some highly questionable deals down there in Florida if I recall.
 
At the same time the bank was laundering Russian money

And a lot of it was going to Trump org. The bank new all along if Trump defaulted on it's loans, it wasn't the banks money, it was Putins.
 
They likely were influenced by the recent SCOTUS decision against Trump in this matter.

Vance got cooperation from the bank last year. We just learned about it from his filing on Monday. Kinda indicates to me he's moving along quite nicely. Trump will most certainly lose his case in the Federal courts. And the game will be on.
 
If they do indeed have the goods and prosecute and if they were to secure a conviction, Trump would never see the inside of a jail cell. No one will ever see a "perp walk" That would be unprecedented.

What about Don Jr. and Eric? Why are they above the Frey? Ivanca and Jarred? They're knee deep in all this sh** too.
 
If they do indeed have the goods and prosecute and if they were to secure a conviction, Trump would never see the inside of a jail cell. No one will ever see a "perp walk" That would be unprecedented.

We are so far past “unprecedented”..............
 
Exactly. No firm is going to put their business or their credibility with their other clients for 1 guy.
Plus he already went through an IRS audit when he was president.

If the obama administration didn't find an issue with this taxes then guess what.
there isn't an issue with his taxes.

That's a laugh. He went through an IRS audit by the people and lawyers he appointed to run the IRS. Ha Ha Ha
 
So 50 forensic FBI agents, two dozen CIA officials, 2500 witnesses, 17 super lawyers, and millions of seized documents couldn't find any financial connection between Trump and Russia but a New York DA is going to crack this egg? :lamo

Jesus man, do try and keep up. Mueller told us he did not look into the financial stuff. And the DA in NY won't have any interference from the Barr DOJ. If it's there, he'll find it.
 
The bank did an audit on Trump's assets after he said he was worth billions and found that he was only worth about 700 million....but they lent him $600 million anyway. Why would the bank care when it's other investors money they were using to front Trump? The bank made their money from the interest on the loans...so they made money without taking any risk of their own.


Apparently, the bank prided itself on lending to people that other banks wouldn't. They said they loved the risk...but it their investors that took all the risk, not them.

Right, the Russians.
 
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