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Deutsche Bank Reportedly Gave Trump’s Financial Records to Manhattan District Attorney

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Deutsche Bank Gave Trump’s Records to DA Vance: Report
On Monday, the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office announced that it was investigating “public reports of possibly extensive and protracted criminal conduct at the Trump Organization.” This was a concerning development for a president who has settled a lawsuit over what a federal judge called a “fraudulent university” and who was accused by the New York attorney general of running a charity with a “shocking pattern of illegality.”

With this new development, New York’s Jonathan Chait notes that Manhattan district attorney Cy Vance Jr. is “trying to obtain financial records that could confirm publicly reported crimes,” of which “there are potentially a lot”:

A New York Times investigation two years ago found a trail of phony records used in what the newspaper described as clear fraud. Trump has reportedly collected phony hurricane damages. ProPublica has uncovered massive discrepancies between the figures Trump has given to lenders and the government, portraying himself as rich to the banks and poor to the government, thus defrauding either one or both.

On Wednesday, the Times reported another development that should give the president’s legal team pause: The Manhattan DA’s Office has subpoenaed Trump’s lender, Deutsche Bank, which the paper describes as “a sign that their criminal investigation into Mr. Trump’s business practices is more wide-ranging than previously known.” From previous subpoenas, it is understood that Vance’s office is investigating hush payments Trump made in 2016 to women he allegedly had affairs with, to determine if the then-candidate violated New York State law. Deutsche Bank has reportedly complied with the subpoena issued last year, and has handed over financial records and other statements Trump provided to the bank when applying for loans.

Over their long and bumpy relationship, Deutsche has lent Trump and his organization over $2 billion — despite the president’s reported efforts to inflate his wealth when applying for loans, as well as reported concerns from the banks’s internal investigators that Trump and his son-in-law Jared Kushner may have been laundering money via their international accounts. (The Trump Organization still has hundreds of millions in outstanding loans with the German bank.)

Other prosecutors have filed to see Trump’s records with the bank. Both New York attorney general Letitia James and the investigation led by Robert Mueller sought access to the Trump-Deutsche papers, though James’s effort is a civil investigation, and the special counsel limited his scope to criminal charges already being considered by the Department of Justice.

On the same day last month that the Supreme Court kicked down a lawsuit in which congressional investigators sought to gain the president’s financial records with his accounting firm, the Court ruled that Cy Vance did have the authority to subpoena eight years of the president’s tax records as part of a grand jury inquiry. It is unlikely they would be released prior to the November election.

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A New York Times investigation two years ago found a trail of phony records used in what the newspaper described as clear fraud. Trump has reportedly collected phony hurricane damages. ProPublica has uncovered massive discrepancies between the figures Trump has given to lenders and the government, portraying himself as rich to the banks and poor to the government, thus defrauding either one or both.
The DA just needs the material from the bank and accounting firm to indict Trump for tax fraud. The statute of limitations for criminal tax fraud and evasion in New York State is five years. The 2015 NY tax returns were due April 2016. Thus, statute of limitations does not run out until April 2021. What is the probability the Trump filed any tax return that was not fraudulent, especially for a year that he was not president?
 
Deutsche Bank Gave Trump’s Records to DA Vance: Report The DA just needs the material from the bank and accounting firm to indict Trump for tax fraud. The statute of limitations for criminal tax fraud and evasion in New York State is five years. The 2015 NY tax returns were due April 2016. Thus, statute of limitations does not run out until April 2021. What is the probability the Trump filed any tax return that was not fraudulent, especially for a year that he was not president?

Zero percent.

So, it's on then. One of the Presidential candidates is under criminal investigation.
 
Zero percent.

So, it's on then. One of the Presidential candidates is under criminal investigation.

I'm wondering if the reason why they've given up the records is because he still owes them a pile of money they figure they'll never see, so payback?
 
Bank fraud, tax fraud and money laundering...oh my.

And Trump and his toady, Barr can't do anything about it because the investigation is under sovereign state jurisdiction. May they both rot in prison.
 
Every single state needs to pass a law tolling all statutes of limitations while someone is president, and congress needs to follow suit. There are good reasons why a sitting president (almost certainly) cannot be indicted. There is no good reason why that should run the clock out on crimes a president committed before landing in office (or during).
 
Bank fraud, tax fraud and money laundering...oh my.

And Trump and his toady, Barr can't do anything about it because the investigation is under sovereign state jurisdiction. May they both rot in prison.

Well Trump will try to pardon himself from any Federal charges thank God he can't pardon himself from state charges
Only the Governor of the state that brings the charges against him can pardon him
and in this case the NY Gov. is Como and the two of them have no love loss for each other
We will have to wait and see what happens
Have a nice day
 
I'm wondering if the reason why they've given up the records is because he still owes them a pile of money they figure they'll never see, so payback?

Deutsche Bank knew Trump was a fraud when they lent him other investors money and if he defaulted the risk fell on the other investors. The bank is just as fraudulent and culpable as Trump.
 
Deutsche Bank knew Trump was a fraud when they lent him other investors money and if he defaulted the risk fell on the other investors. The bank is just as fraudulent and culpable as Trump.

It doesn’t seem to be the bank so much as a single banker for the Trump family who pushed through their loans and has had unethical real estate dealings with Kushner.
 
Zero percent.

So, it's on then. One of the Presidential candidates is under criminal investigation.

Yes, we knew this Monday. The bank records are icing on the cake. And Vance has had them since last year.
 
It doesn’t seem to be the bank so much as a single banker for the Trump family who pushed through their loans and has had unethical real estate dealings with Kushner.

At the same time the bank was laundering Russian money
 
No doubt that Trump would throw everyone and anyone under the bus to avoid prosecution including his own family.
 
At the same time the bank was laundering Russian money

It’s a matter of whether not the banker was acting in accordance with the bank’s policies. I don’t believe she was. She developed an unethical relationship with the Trump family and pushed through enormous loans on their behalf even though Trump had already defaulted on a prior Deutche Bank loan.
 
It doesn’t seem to be the bank so much as a single banker for the Trump family who pushed through their loans and has had unethical real estate dealings with Kushner.

The bank had several divisions: financial, real estate, personal credit...and when one division wouldn't lend he went to another that would.
 
Deutsche Bank Gave Trump’s Records to DA Vance: Report The DA just needs the material from the bank and accounting firm to indict Trump for tax fraud. The statute of limitations for criminal tax fraud and evasion in New York State is five years. The 2015 NY tax returns were due April 2016. Thus, statute of limitations does not run out until April 2021. What is the probability the Trump filed any tax return that was not fraudulent, especially for a year that he was not president?

what is the statue of limitation for bank fraud?
 
Well but it's a witch hunt, and even if not, rich guys do this all the time and no big, we should mulligan it until the next democrat does the same thing, in which case we'll need at least three seperate independent councils on it. Right? :cool:
 
Deutsche Bank Gave Trump’s Records to DA Vance: Report The DA just needs the material from the bank and accounting firm to indict Trump for tax fraud. The statute of limitations for criminal tax fraud and evasion in New York State is five years. The 2015 NY tax returns were due April 2016. Thus, statute of limitations does not run out until April 2021. What is the probability the Trump filed any tax return that was not fraudulent, especially for a year that he was not president?

Its not likely tax fraud that will be the center piece of the indictment. Its likely insurance and bank fraud and maybe money laundering.

Manhattan DA probing Trump Organization for 'insurance and bank fraud' - New York Daily News
 
Deutsche Bank Gave Trump’s Records to DA Vance: Report The DA just needs the material from the bank and accounting firm to indict Trump for tax fraud. The statute of limitations for criminal tax fraud and evasion in New York State is five years. The 2015 NY tax returns were due April 2016. Thus, statute of limitations does not run out until April 2021. What is the probability the Trump filed any tax return that was not fraudulent, especially for a year that he was not president?
It would seem Trump is not just running for re-election this NOV, but may also be running to maintain his freedom!
 
I'm wondering if the reason why they've given up the records is because he still owes them a pile of money they figure they'll never see, so payback?
They likely were influenced by the recent SCOTUS decision against Trump in this matter.
 
Well but it's a witch hunt, and even if not, rich guys do this all the time and no big, we should mulligan it until the next democrat does the same thing, in which case we'll need at least three seperate independent councils on it. Right? :cool:
How about we throw them all in the pokey? What's good for the goose, is good for the gander!
 
If they do indeed have the goods and prosecute and if they were to secure a conviction, Trump would never see the inside of a jail cell. No one will ever see a "perp walk" That would be unprecedented.
 
Deutsche Bank knew Trump was a fraud when they lent him other investors money and if he defaulted the risk fell on the other investors. The bank is just as fraudulent and culpable as Trump.

One question that to my knowledge has not been answered is who covered Trump's loans? He did not have assets to cover 2 billion dollars. Trump was well known by US and international lenders to be a very bad business risk. He was not able to find any western lender willing to loan him money. Deutsche Bank, known for its deep involvement with Russian oligarchs who laundered money, loaned Trump money when no one else would. There has long been speculation that Russian oligarchs backed Trump's loans from Deutsche Bank.
 
One question that to my knowledge has not been answered is who covered Trump's loans? He did not have assets to cover 2 billion dollars. Trump was well known by US and international lenders to be a very bad business risk. He was not able to find any western lender willing to loan him money. Deutsche Bank, known for its deep involvement with Russian oligarchs who laundered money, loaned Trump money when no one else would. There has long been speculation that Russian oligarchs backed Trump's loans from Deutsche Bank.

Yep, and Mueller didn't have the guts (or the time) to look into Trump's finances. That was unfortunate, as it is Trump's finance entanglements with Russia that are really at the heart of Putin's influence over him. It should have been the focus of Mueller's investigation. Well, we will eventually learn all of this. I suspect the good work of the Manhattan DA will be cracking the egg that will make the omelette that will be the end of Donald Trump --- not just politically.
 
More delusional bull crap...... From the same group that pushed the phony Russian collusion hoax! Trump haters!

They did not give the tax records. That case is still in federal court!!

On to the next I hate Trump thread. :doh
 
More delusional bull crap...... From the same group that pushed the phony Russian collusion hoax! Trump haters!

They did not give the tax records. That case is still in federal court!!

On to the next I hate Trump thread. :doh

Either they did or they didn't. From the independent sources that I'm seeing, they did indeed. :lol:
 
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