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President Trump Says He’ll Sign Order Giving Dreamers a Path to U.S. Citizenship

Chomsky said:
I agree, but I think that boat has sailed. I very much doubt Pelosi will sign-on this late in the game. But, I'll never say 'never'!

More likely, Trump will float a proposal for political advantage that goes nowhere. Anything to help him change the dominate narrative from Covid & racial injustice would be good for him. He needs it.
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The COVID situation is about to get really bad. We are setting new records, cases are increasing, and ICUs are reaching complicity. Again, medical professionals are sounding the alarm of equipment and PPE. This was not properly handled.
 
Chomsky said:
Source: (Times of San Diego) President Trump Says He’ll Sign Order Giving Dreamers a Path to U.S. Citizenship

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How about that?

This is not an official White House pronouncement. Apparently, these quotes came from an interview with Trump today today on Telemundo. And as usual for Trump, it's delivered in 'word salad' style. So who knows? As always with Trump, we'll see. He may have just playing to Telemundo's audience.
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I'm shocked you would suggest that the world's leading politician would be pandering to a key segment of the voting population.
I never heard of that before. A politician saying he wants to deliver something of value to a demographic slice of this country - and then not doing it? NO WAY!
 
ReubenSherr said:
You people are so black and white

The world is complicated

I can't believe you found a way to make this thread negative :lamo
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Not necessarily negative. How about cynical? Should I take my last post back?
 
SheWolf said:
The COVID situation is about to get really bad. We are setting new records, cases are increasing, and ICUs are reaching complicity. Again, medical professionals are sounding the alarm of equipment and PPE. This was not properly handled.
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Are you making a blanket indictment of all states? Red and Blue?
How about Texas that is in the PBS/NBC/CBS news at night looking bad because the media thinks it should look bad.
Read this latest report card on the huge state of Texas and tell us if you think those numbers are bad - on a per capita basis.
Ever notice how California with its more than 40 million population doesn't hit the news the same way Red states are in the news for infections and deaths?

Republicans Sue, Censure Gov. Abbott Over Ongoing Restrictive Executive Orders
Bethany Blankle
Posted: Jul 11, 2020 12:01 AM

Despite the mainstream media narrative, Texas leads the nation in coronavirus recoveries, and its coronavirus death rate is .01 percent.

Of a population of roughly 29 million people, there have been 2.6 million tests for the coronavirus. Among them, 230,346 positive cases have been reported, or .79 percent of the population. Roughly 8.85 percent of those who have been tested have tested positive for the virus. And only those who are presenting symptoms are tested, so the number is slightly skewed.

There have been an estimated 118,326 recoveries, and 2,918 reported coronavirus-related deaths as of July 9, according to the Texas Department of Health and Human Services coronavirus database.

see whole article here

Republicans Sue, Censure Gov. Abbott Over Ongoing Restrictive Executive Orders
 
Puigb said:
Trump is in a tough spot here. If he does sign it, he may peel off some hispanic support from Biden. However, he alienates the radical racists in his base, who will stay home or even vote third party. Either way he loses here, IMO.
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There's probably enough built-up sympathy for the DACA kids over the years to where it will be a good move on Trump's part.
 
SheWolf said:
A lot of right wingers are scared of a pathway to citizenship, because they think the GOP will be done in.... it's interesting, becasue Trump is down really bad in the polls and needs to broaden his appeal... :lol:
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You probably counted him out in 2016 because Hillary's polls were just wonderful.
No doubt there, right?
 
Chomsky said:
Source: (Times of San Diego) President Trump Says He’ll Sign Order Giving Dreamers a Path to U.S. Citizenship

[Excerpts in embedded video]

How about that?

This is not an official White House pronouncement. Apparently, these quotes came from an interview with Trump today today on Telemundo. And as usual for Trump, it's delivered in 'word salad' style. So who knows? As always with Trump, we'll see. He may have just playing to Telemundo's audience.
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So first he has DHS screw up recision of the memo that established DACA by ignoring the APA's requirements. Then he has the DOJ spend years fighting that out in court rather than simply have DHS do it the right way. He finally loses, so he says he'll have DHS do it over again (as could have been the case months earlier).

And now he's saying he'll keep DACA in an executive order? He could have just....done nothing. Maybe he really is demented.





Note: As of this moment, that link says it's already been walked back:

Title: White House Walks Back Trump Vow He’ll Give Dreamers Path to U.S. Citizenship

Body: President Trump’s planned executive order on immigration will not include amnesty for migrants in the United States illegally but arrived as children, a White House spokesman said Friday. “This does not include amnesty,” White House spokesman Judd Deere said in a statement, after Trump said in a TV interview his planned order would include a road to citizenship for such immigrants, known as “Dreamers.”

In the interview with Spanish-language TV network Telemundo, Trump said his executive order would involve Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA), the program that protects hundreds of thousands of such immigrants from deportation. “I’m going to do a big executive order. … And I’m going to make DACA a part of it,” Trump said. “We’re going to have a road to citizenship.” The U.S. Supreme Court last month dealt a major setback to Trump’s hardline immigration policies, blocking his bid to end DACA, which was created in 2012 by his Democratic predecessor Barack Obama.

The ruling did not prevent Trump from trying again to end the program. But his administration may find it difficult to rescind it — and win any ensuing legal battle — before the Nov. 3 election in which he is seeking a second term in office. The White House statement said Trump’s executive order would establish a merit-based immigration system and reiterated that Trump would work with Congress on a legislative solution that “could include citizenship, along with strong border security and permanent merit-based reforms,” but no amnesty.

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Perhaps it was updated?
 
SheWolf said:
The COVID situation is about to get really bad. We are setting new records, cases are increasing, and ICUs are reaching complicity. Again, medical professionals are sounding the alarm of equipment and PPE. This was not properly handled.
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Well, I think it's safe to say both of often use quantitative reasoning & analysis, and when we look at the bare numbers and exponential infection slope we become very alarmed. Rightfully so, I believe. But there has been quite a bit mitigation applied during the previous week to 10 days, and the citizenry in these runaway states do seem to be getting the message and are beginning to cooperate. So, it is possible we see some flattening of the slope coming.

I hate to say it, but fear is a powerful motivator. Many of these states' citizens now seem to be becoming nervous about the situation, and the politicians including governors & Trump seem to be becoming nervous over their election chances. So, I'm sensing a change in the political climate in dealing with the virus. With that, there may be hope.

But all this screwing-up & yo-yo-ing is really prolonging our economic recovery, and probably set us back a bit which won't be apparent 'till we see the numbers 2 months down the road. It's insane. Europe has controlled the pandemic and is safely opening-up her economy, while we suffer in sickness, death, and economic recession. Europe won't even physically let us in their countries, because we are an uncontrolled virus epicenter. All unnecessary, too.
 
Puigb said:
Yep, but if he does try to broaden his appeal to hispanic voters, he loses racist white voters who support him in the process. Ann Coulter is already done with him, though she'll probably still vote for him UNLESS he does do something to give a pathway to citizenship for dreamers. In that case Coulter and Republicans like her will jump ship, and either stay home or vote third party. As I said, it's no win situation for him, IMO.
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You must really believe there is a lot of antipathy toward the dreamers.
I think the media has done a great job of making the public sympathetic toward their plight in this country.
It's probably a smart move on Trump's part to give them amnesty.
We're are not talking about the millions of illegals (excuse me, undocumented immigrants) in this country.
 
Trump is just pandering for the Hispanic votes. Hispanic Prosperity Initiative. Now a path to citizenship for DACA, if it is true.
 
trixare4kids said:
There's a lot of frustrated anti-Trumpers for life out there.

In their eyes, he can never ever do the right thing.
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Sometimes the right thing coincides with his political needs, but only vary rarely.
 
mike2810 said:
Trump is just pandering for the Hispanic votes. Hispanic Prosperity Initiative. Now a path to citizenship for DACA, if it is true.
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It's most likely not true.
 
trixare4kids said:
There's a lot of frustrated anti-Trumpers for life out there.

In their eyes, he can never ever do the right thing.
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Because he virtually never does. He has said he would sign a bill with DACA before and reneged on that promise. I believe this bill/EO will also have draconian restrictions on legal immigration also. Who knows what else he will add too. I also think he might have just lied to Telemundo, we already know his addled brain cannot distinguish between lies and truth. Just look at that quote. about "signing a bill as an EO" WTF does that mean?

President Donald Trump plans to once again try to use protections for immigrants who came to the country illegally as children, known as Dreamers, to push Congress to pass a broader immigration deal, according to two people familiar with the situation.

Trump alluded to unspecified legislation in a Friday interview with Telemundo, but his comments left even White House officials confused. He used the words “executive order” and “bill” interchangeably and said he would be signing a bill, though Congress has not passed one.

“I'm going to be, over the next few weeks, signing an immigration bill that a lot of people don't know about,” he said. “I'm going to be signing a major immigration bill as an executive order, which the Supreme Court now, because of the DACA decision, has given me the power to do that.”
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Trump is still looking for a DACA deal - POLITICO
 
j brown's body said:
It's most likely not true.
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Yet Trump said in an interview the order would contain a pathway to citizenship. Makes me wonder what other things Trump may change his mind on.
I realize Trump says a lot of things that are not true.
 
jaypatriot said:
You must really believe there is a lot of antipathy toward the dreamers.
I think the media has done a great job of making the public sympathetic toward their plight in this country.
It's probably a smart move on Trump's part to give them amnesty.
We're are not talking about the millions of illegals (excuse me, undocumented immigrants) in this country.
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The only consideration with the 700K DACA recipients I have, is under Trump's program will they become full unabridged citizens? I wouldn't put it past him to attempt to try to qualify the DACA recipients to not be able to use Family Re-unification. I do not believe in a tiered citizenry. We either do them right, or not at all.
 
JMR said:
Of course candidates pander. Usually without the baggage of spending the last six years or more denigrating the people they now pander to. It will be interesting to see how this pandering attempt is walked back, and how quickly. Did it give some right wingers some cover to feel better about their support of a "nationalist" ?

Trump inherited a growing economy. His expansion of it includes full time jobs that pay below the poverty level. Many of those jobs are held by Hispanics. To imagine they are thrilled with that is truly naive.
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FYI - The White House surrogates walked it back within hours. yesterday. It was earlier in the thread.
 
Casper said:
Wrong. The reason Congress would not act on DACA is because trump and the Repubs attached it to funding of the Wall, no funds - no DACA.
Maybe they should deal with the issue as an individual issue Bill, no attachments, then it would become actual Law.
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Maybe if dems cared about the children of these illegal aliens invaders stuck in a legal no man's land, they would have done something for them during the Obummer administration...

ya think?
 
I support Trump's decision. However I suspect the Democrats to fight him on it, because they can't take credit.
 
Court Jester said:
Maybe if dems cared about the children of these illegal aliens invaders stuck in a legal no man's land, they would have done something for them during the Obummer administration...

ya think?
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They don't care about anyone's children, they worship power and control.

Democrats want to run peoples lives into the sewer. Just look at the sewers of Seattle, LA, San Fran, NYC, Philly, Baltimore.

They aren't helping anyone in those sewers, in fact, they enable them to remain there.
 
The immigration debate has failed the Citizens, and has become a hot potato with both sides looking to use it to thier advantage without looking like they are failing.
 
SheWolf said:
Let me ask, what is wrong with chain migration? My aunt was the first to come to America, then my father. Once my father came, he arranged for his wife and kids. That brought me. Eventually, my grandparents came, and my grandmother became a US citizen. We are all legal. What is wrong with such a story?
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Just because the first immigrant who passes the scrutiny to get here without becoming a drain on the taxpayers, doesn't mean his cousins, siblings, or ESPECIALLY grandparents won't. Before 1965 the standards were much higher and it wasn't an automatic assumption that entire chains of families could keep coming---and then their chains of connections too. Wives and children are different. Immediate family was always considered as part the intial immigration applicant.

Due to chain migration we have in 50 years vastly transformed many parts of the United States into basically the same 3rd sh** holes where a lot of people came from. Used to be we were able to absorb immigrants much better into OUR culture, not just replace our culture with their culture. There are communities all over the United States where English isn't even a spoken language. Used to be that the FIRST GOAL of a grateful immigrant to the United States was to learn our language---and then next begin to assimilate to OUR culture.

Japan has it right on this. In Japan you have to prove that YOU will be a benefit to THEIR society--- not just coming to Japan to instill your culture on them.

SheWolf said:
As for the people being held in boarder camps, no... they aren't free to go back. They are being held like prisoners, prisoners are not free to walk away and go back. Who are you kidding with such statements?
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Those are basically other than Mexican nationals. Under the law Mexican illegals can be immediately returned to Mexico. But other nationals we can't just dump them back on Mexico unless Mexico agrees to that. What we could do is just put them on airplanes and send them back to the place they originated from, but you libtard courts have put restrictions on that, and so now they are detained pending their day in court---- which is a long way off due to the numbers. Prior to the Trump administration all this meant was "catch and release" with many of these invaders NEVER showing up have their court day anyway. Because what they know is that most will be denied asylum anyway because they don't merit asylum. They just go out into the nation and start making babies right away to be their "anchor" into the country. Basically thumbing their noses at our gracious system and violating our sovereignty. We don't need people like that. People who from square one are willing to take advantage. I have no problem with clearing out all of the detention camps and sending them back to their countries.

SheWolf said:
Children are being held indefinitely and treated like prisoners too. Who broke the laws?
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That is because the courts have said the children cannot be separated from their parents. We should just send them all back. In fact, if they are Mexican nationals we can and do.

SheWolf said:
There is nothing illegal about approaching a US check point and applying for citizenship or refugee status. We all know Trump changed the policy, because people argued that such entrants on the southern boarder were not showing up to their court dates. Because of that logic, the US government, under Trump, decided to treat anybody approaching the a legal US check point as a felon, detain them like a felon, separate families, and hold them in overcrowded cells until their court dates arrive. That's the logic. However, the system is so broken these people are not getting speedy trials, and the US government has lost track of children and who the parents are.
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Why didn't these central Americans after leaving their countries of origin go directly to the nearest United States consulate and apply for asylum status? Why did they come to the US/Mexico border THOUSANDS of miles away other than the fact that they knew----and were being instructed on how to 'game the system'. Because they would basically be caught and then released. Don't blame Trump for that. You act as if you believe these people are ENTITLED to break the rules. Are ENTITLED to just show up and become given a green card. Doesn't work that way, and shouldn't. Doesn't work like that even in the countries most of them came from.

SheWolf said:
You're arguing that Trump is putting sanity back in the system... :lol: ... it must be opposite day
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He is putting law and order back into the system, what WE elected him to do.
 
ReubenSherr said:
Uh-huh.

A random "writer" spoke to Administration sources.

And you are quoting it as fact. ;)
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“apparently the cleanup crew at the White House is saying”

How is that quoting it as fact?

On the other hand I would certainly believe a random writer who says he spoke to Administration sources before I would believe Trump. Unfortunately the odds are in my favor.


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SheWolf said:
Let me ask, what is wrong with chain migration? My aunt was the first to come to America, then my father. Once my father came, he arranged for his wife and kids. That brought me. Eventually, my grandparents came, and my grandmother became a US citizen. We are all legal. What is wrong with such a story?

As for the people being held in boarder camps, no... they aren't free to go back. They are being held like prisoners, prisoners are not free to walk away and go back. Who are you kidding with such statements?

Children are being held indefinitely and treated like prisoners too. Who broke the laws? There is nothing illegal about approaching a US check point and applying for citizenship or refugee status. We all know Trump changed the policy, because people argued that such entrants on the southern boarder were not showing up to their court dates. Because of that logic, the US government, under Trump, decided to treat anybody approaching the a legal US check point as a felon, detain them like a felon, separate families, and hold them in overcrowded cells until their court dates arrive. That's the logic. However, the system is so broken these people are not getting speedy trials, and the US government has lost track of children and who the parents are.

You're arguing that Trump is putting sanity back in the system... :lol: ... it must be opposite day
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You are absolutely correct. Basically it is a system that exists in almost every country that has immigration. It allows a country to bring in a person as an immigrant that is not a complete stranger. An American citizen has vouched for the person. If the new immigrant needs help to adjust to the new culture, they have someone from their own family to help. Chain migration is the definition of a win/win situation. No one has ever had anything bad to say about it. No one, that is, until Donald Trump found out that Muslims who have immigrated to the U.S. can bring in more Muslims.
 
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