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Trump calls Black Lives Matter a 'symbol of hate' as he digs in on race

jaeger19 said:
Yes... so of course he would support black lives matter.. since anyone with at least any sense realizes that in the US.. and in many other nations.. all lives don't matter.. if they happen to be black.

Logically.. if you believe all lives matter..then you should support black lives matter.
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I would support BLM if it didn't foment protests that led to riots, burnings, and looting of stores run by honest businessmen employing locals who are from minority communities. Why support a group that behaves like terrorists threatening to do more protests unless their demands are met?
 
Paradoxical said:
Your argument only works if you dismiss shootings and excessive force of white people.
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Um....no. As I clearly showed you, the statistics do include white people. Here it is again:

Deaths Due to Use of Lethal Force by Law Enforcement
Findings From the National Violent Death Reporting System, 17 U.S. States, 2009–2012

Victims were majority white (52%) but disproportionately black (32%) with a fatality rate 2.8 times higher among blacks than whites. Most victims were reported to be armed (83%); however, black victims were more likely to be unarmed (14.8%) than white (9.4%) or Hispanic (5.8%) victims.
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Do you see how white people were not dismissed? I underlined the words for you. And disproportionate means that the size of the black population should not see such a great percentage. This is the second time I gave this to you. Do you understand how what you just declared constitutes as a clear lie?

And you clearly didn't bother reading up on the Simpson Paradox. I will simplify it so that you have no excuse:

- Out of 100 white people, 15 are abused.

- Out of 20 black people, 8 are abused.

Since you deal in only what you can reduce to an underrepresented simplistic, you would argue that 15 is greater than 8, thus, simply meaning that more white people are abused, thus shut the **** up black people.

But the ratio and the disproportionate number that 20 and 8 presents, as compared to 100 and 15, must be ignored for you to play your obtuse game. This is what the clearly documented statistics show and this is what I produced for you so that education doesn't have to only be a "left" thing. You too may learn.

And you failed (avoided) to quantify the argument you tried to make that somehow more crime in economically bad neighborhoods equals more excessive force. By it's very definition, "excessive" is wrong. The much higher percentage of unnecessary force is a consequence of institutional racism within the police force. They don't see citizen. They see blight that needs put down.

But if you actually cared about the perverted argument you are bumbling about with, you would care about police reform for all, not simply defaulting to right-wing agendas to protect a defensive position of white people as a way to shut black people up. Perhaps this is some of what you are clearly missing in your zeal to simply brand all white people in this movement as having savior complexes. Perhaps some of them are tired of being harassed or abused, or seeing it. According to you, they are victims too, right? You accuse them of just being "saviors," but also defend them with arguments about whites being victims too. Yet, as the statistics show, police reform is something white people should demand too. Yet, your need to belittling what black people are saying appears to be greater than your care for police brutality across the board.

And with police across the nation, even your idiot President, agreeing that reform is necessary, you really have no idea who or what you are defending. As is the routine case among you conservative pretenders, your inability to defend your irrational position is why you fumble about. I would think that after years and years of this, you people would tire of always being wrong and do something about it, other than doubling down in defiance as if somehow you can will everybody else to stop being right.

Paradoxical said:
Try a different argument because this one falls flatter than a nice looking cake when the oven is opened too soon.
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As anybody reading your replies can see, my argument, backed up with empirical evidence and statistics, is simply too hard for you to understand. Or you simply refuse to because once again a conservative has the need to protect his tiny bubble. If your goal it to prove just how stubbornly ignorant you are determined to be, why are you even on this site?
 
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BLM is the black version of the KKK only they got everyone fooled and got silly uneducated young white people doing most of their dirty work. If you think their funding comes from within just the states your wrong they are working across the globe.
 
MSgt said:
Um....no. As I clearly showed you, the statistics do include white people. Here it is again:



Do you see how white people were not dismissed? I underlined the words for you. And disproportionate means that the size of the black population should not see such a great percentage. This is the second time I gave this to you. Do you understand how what you just declared constitutes as a clear lie?

And you clearly didn't bother reading up on the Simpson Paradox. I will simplify it so that you have no excuse:

- Out of 100 white people, 15 are abused.

- Out of 20 black people, 8 are abused.

Since you deal in only what you can reduce to an underrepresented simplistic, you would argue that 15 is greater than 8, thus, simply meaning that more white people are abused, thus shut the **** up black people.

But the ratio and the disproportionate number that 20 and 8 presents, as compared to 100 and 15, must be ignored for you to play your obtuse game. This is what the clearly documented statistics show and this is what I produced for you so that education doesn't have to only be a "left" thing. You too may learn.

And you failed (avoided) to quantify the argument you tried to make that somehow more crime in economically bad neighborhoods equals more excessive force. By it's very definition, "excessive" is wrong. The much higher percentage of unnecessary force is a consequence of institutional racism within the police force. They don't see citizen. They see blight that needs put down.

But if you actually cared about the perverted argument you are bumbling about with, you would care about police reform for all, not simply defaulting to right-wing agendas to protect a defensive position of white people as a way to shut black people up. Perhaps this is some of what you are clearly missing in your zeal to simply brand all white people in this movement as having savior complexes. Perhaps some of them are tired of being harassed or abused, or seeing it. According to you, they are victims too, right? You accuse them of just being "saviors," but also defend them with arguments about whites being victims too. Yet, as the statistics show, police reform is something white people should demand too. Yet, your need to belittling what black people are saying appears to be greater than your care for police brutality across the board.

And with police across the nation, even your idiot President, agreeing that reform is necessary, you really have no idea who or what you are defending. As is the routine case among you conservative pretenders, your inability to defend your irrational position is why you fumble about. I would think that after years and years of this, you people would tire of always being wrong and do something about it, other than doubling down in defiance as if somehow you can will everybody else to stop being right.



As anybody reading your replies can see, my argument, backed up with empirical evidence and statistics, is simply too hard for you to understand. Or you simply refuse to because once again a conservative has the need to protect his tiny bubble. If your goal it to prove just how stubbornly ignorant you are determined to be, why are you even on this site?
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Your souffle has fallen. Time to bake another. I mean fake another.
 
Acadia said:
BLM- the organization proper- is militant and it is marxist. They are very, very dangerous.
Trump is right to call them out, as well as Antifa, the KKK, white supremacists and ALL hate groups.
He has called them ALL out, and he is RIGHT.

BLM is as it's core, an extremist group.
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Back in 2016, there was an online petition to designate BLM as a terrorist group. The petitition reached the amount of signatures needed for the WH to respond... Ironicially, President Obama said this about the group four years ago. Say what? He was clearly wrong when he said the group was not anti-Police.

"I think it's important for us to also understand that the phrase 'black lives matter' simply refers to the notion that there's a specific vulnerability for African Americans that needs to be addressed," the president said last week, talking to a Washington, D.C. gathering of enforcement officials, civil rights leaders, elected officials and other activists on the issue of racial disparities in the criminal justice system. "We shouldn't get too caught up in this notion that somehow people who are asking for fair treatment are somehow, automatically, anti-police, are trying to only look out for black lives as opposed to others. I think we have to be careful about playing that game."
 
jaypatriot said:
I would support BLM if it didn't foment protests that led to riots, burnings, and looting of stores run by honest businessmen employing locals who are from minority communities. Why support a group that behaves like terrorists threatening to do more protests unless their demands are met?
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The biggest problem is that there is no national leadership organizing it. Irresponsible dip ****s within the crowds eventually turn to crimes of opportunity. And statue defilers have no idea about what they are defiling from statue to statue.

But history, throughout the global cultures, shows that just a few pamphlets and a stern "please" just never cuts it. Always, people have to escalate to get other people's attention. In when people refuse to appreciate the complaint and fight back, friction evolves into displays of violence.

For example, I'm betting that when black people knelt at football games you had a condition set then too. Like then, you and others (normally conservatives) choose to disregard the message and focus elsewhere as a means to disregard. I choose to be embarrassed that a great percentage of American citizens have to constantly take to the streets to get what they are supposed to already have.

- Why does this nation of liberty, freedom, and equality, have to see a Civil War to vanquish slavery 85 years after the Declaration of Independence?

- Why does this nation of liberty, freedom, and equality, have to see massive Civil Rights Marches 100 years after the Civil War?

- Why does this nation of liberty, freedom, and equality, have to see occasional protests (and riots) about clear systematic police brutality in the year 2020?

Clearly, there are documented answers to these questions, but those answers only add to the embarrassment. In the meantime, and in between, our history is full of efforts by black people to try to legislate this problem away. Most fell on deaf ears. But even with the great successes, the Voter's Right Act and Civil Rights Acts, we see the failure of the Civil War. And today, we see a GOP that routinely seeks to practice voter suppression while cops disproportionately abuse their powers when it comes to black citizens. Even with legislation victory, this crap goes on because a simple document can never change bad culture. People have to do that.
 
Paradoxical said:
Your souffle has fallen. Time to bake another. I mean fake another.
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So, even with clear statistics provided for you, clearly proven to be a liar and purposefully obtuse, you still choose to shamelessly show the world that you are entirely worthless.

Don't you have any self-respect at all? Surely, the people around you see a much better person than what you present here.
 
trixare4kids said:
Back in 2016, there was an online petition to designate BLM as a terrorist group. The petitition reached the amount of signatures needed for the WH to respond... Ironicially, President Obama said this about the group four years ago. Say what? He was clearly wrong when he said the group was not anti-Police.

"I think it's important for us to also understand that the phrase 'black lives matter' simply refers to the notion that there's a specific vulnerability for African Americans that needs to be addressed," the president said last week, talking to a Washington, D.C. gathering of enforcement officials, civil rights leaders, elected officials and other activists on the issue of racial disparities in the criminal justice system. "We shouldn't get too caught up in this notion that somehow people who are asking for fair treatment are somehow, automatically, anti-police, are trying to only look out for black lives as opposed to others. I think we have to be careful about playing that game."
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And those videos showing cops dancing with BLM protesters simply do not exist, huh? The idea that BLM is simply opposed to the police is a right-wing message to help you ignore the actual message. Clearly, all understand that police are necessary. Simply "opposed" to cops is nonsensical. Clearly, they are opposed to the documented, disproportionate police brutality, where even a cuffed black man is game. They know, as do you, that without the protests, that cop would have just moved on to the next day. Getting away with it is routine among a police force that would rather protect and defend their own, rather than hold one accountable for lowering the standard of conduct.

And in regards to the anger displayed within the crowd, this anger was tempered when they just knelt at football games. White people, especially conservatives, didn't want to hear the message then either. It's a simple formula seen in every culture. Eventually, people get fed up and the power realizes that they could have avoided it all had they simply listened and acknowledged on a proper level when they should have. We can send this formula into terrorism as well. Our country, like most others, seems to have to come to a crisis before mother****ers listen.

So, here's the moral of the study: Ignore this today, and await escalation tomorrow.

That being said, the real question now is why they are still protesting. Police departments and cities across the nation have officially declared a need for reform. A clear transition is taking place in regards to holding abusive cops accountable, which will raise the standards of conduct among the police, who should have always held their own accountable rather than defend them, thus lowering general standards. Towns and cities across the nation have officially sought, and plenty achieved, dismantling rebel celebratory statues. Even Mississippi is moving to remove the treason from their state flag. And even the idiot in the White House has signed legislation about the need for national police reform. In a sense, the protesters have achieved and won. So...go home. For now. In a few years, when/if all of this largely comes to no real change, perhaps you will remember this paragraph.
 
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MSgt said:
And those videos showing cops dancing with BLM protesters simply do not exist, huh? The idea that BLM is simply opposed to the police is a right-wing message to help you ignore the actual message. Clearly, all understand that police are necessary. Simply "opposed" to cops is nonsensical. Clearly, they are opposed to the documented, disproportionate police brutality, where even a cuffed black man is game. They know, as do you, that without the protests, that cop would have just moved on to the next day. Getting away with it is routine among a police force that would rather protect and defend their own, rather than hold one accountable for lowering the standard of conduct.

And in regards to the anger displayed within the crowd, this anger was tempered when they just knelt at football games. White people, especially conservatives, didn't want to hear the message then either. It's a simple formula seen in every culture. Eventually, people get fed up and the power realizes that they could have avoided it all had they simply listened and acknowledged on a proper level when they should have. We can send this formula into terrorism as well. Our country, like most others, seems to have to come to a crisis before mother****ers listen.

So, here's the moral of the study: Ignore this today, and await escalation tomorrow.

That being said, the real question now is why they are still protesting. Police departments and cities across the nation have officially declared a need for reform. A clear transition is taking place in regards to holding abusive cops accountable, which will raise the standards of conduct among the police, who should have always held their own accountable rather than defend them, thus lowering general standards. Towns and cities across the nation have officially sought, and plenty achieved, dismantling rebel celebratory statues. Even Mississippi is moving to remove the treason from their state flag. And even the idiot in the White House has signed legislation about the need for national police reform. In a sense, the protesters have achieved and won. So...go home. For now. In a few years, when all of this largely comes to no real change, perhaps you will remember this paragraph.
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What's with some from the forum who can't stop using the strawman argument?

Write your own thoughts, and do no project them onto me by using my post as a springboard.
 
It's still good to see that barely any of you can actually even attempt to show how he's exactly wrong here.
 
Black Lives Matters Anti-Police crusade makes civil unrest the new normal

False narratives created and perpetuated by the Black Lives Matter movement and embraced by the mainstream media are clearly a root cause for much of the civil unrest directed at our police today.
Noted criminologist and law enforcement expert Ron Martinelli describes how BLM didn’t spontaneously rise from some pop social media movement. BLM, according to Martinelli, is “a large, organized, well-planned and funded political action group with international outreach extending to Cuba, Northern Ireland, Europe, and the Middle East.”
“The BLM is an organization reborn from the Vietnam war era, with a political ideology steeped in Marxism and Black Nationalism. Literally all of the heroes of the BLM founders are former convicted cop-killer Black Nationalist revolutionaries from the old Black Panther, Black Liberation Army and Weather Underground organizations,” Martinelli writes.

Who can forget the protest in St. Paul, Minn. where BLM “activists” chanted, "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon!" Celebrity entertainers Jay Z and Beyoncé lavish praise on BLM and celebrate their dangerous cause. BLM also receives massive funding from liberal financier George Soros.
Anti-police activity and rhetoric produces deadly consequences with ambush attacks on our police increasing in frequency. Within days of a December 2014 New York City march where the chant was, “What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want them? Now!” a Baltimore thug gunned down two Brooklyn officers parked in a patrol car.
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If BLM doesn't want the perception that they are anti-police, perhaps it's time for them to stop projecting that image onto American neighborhoods.
Yeah, like that's going to happen anytime soon...
 
trixare4kids said:
What's with some from the forum who can't stop using the strawman argument?
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As in? When common sense and history becomes a "strawman" to you, you might want to reconsider your position. Note...that you had absolute nothing in regards to a reply. Just a dismissal so that you can keep ignoring the common sense involved so that you can cling to your game.

trixare4kids said:
Write your own thoughts, and do no project them onto me by using my post as a springboard.
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These are my thoughts. I'm not the radical right-wing acolyte who merely produces the provided narrative of the day for me to reject.
 
trixare4kids said:
Back in 2016, there was an online petition to designate BLM as a terrorist group. The petitition reached the amount of signatures needed for the WH to respond... Ironicially, President Obama said this about the group four years ago. Say what? He was clearly wrong when he said the group was not anti-Police.

"I think it's important for us to also understand that the phrase 'black lives matter' simply refers to the notion that there's a specific vulnerability for African Americans that needs to be addressed," the president said last week, talking to a Washington, D.C. gathering of enforcement officials, civil rights leaders, elected officials and other activists on the issue of racial disparities in the criminal justice system. "We shouldn't get too caught up in this notion that somehow people who are asking for fair treatment are somehow, automatically, anti-police, are trying to only look out for black lives as opposed to others. I think we have to be careful about playing that game."
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A perfect example of trying to water down BLM's message. Obama tried it 4 years ago, the democrats and media are trying again now.
 
trixare4kids said:
Black Lives Matters Anti-Police crusade makes civil unrest the new normal



If BLM doesn't want the perception that they are anti-police, perhaps it's time for them to stop projecting that image onto American neighborhoods.
Yeah, like that's going to happen anytime soon...
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So...

- No anger in neighborhoods.

- No blocking of streets.

- No protests in Trump's presence.

- No kneeling at football games.

- And a clear history of official leadership rejecting attempts to address this in legislation.


Perhaps they can try saying pretty please. As somebody who knows the San Bernardino and L.A. scene well, I would think that you too would have long been fed up with how those cops behave.

The "perception" is largely only held by conservatives who cling to radical right-wing sources for their nourishment. The rest of us just see a mess wrapped in an ongoing message. Note...the protests also include conservatives.
 
Schism said:
A perfect example of trying to water down BLM's message. Obama tried it 4 years ago, the democrats and media are trying again now.
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The BLM apologism astounds. Well, they had a good leader, divider in chief, didn't they?
 
MSgt said:
So...

- No anger in neighborhoods.

- No blocking of streets.

- No protests in Trump's presence.

- No kneeling at football games.

- And a clear history of official leadership rejecting attempts to address this in legislation.


Perhaps they can try saying pretty please. As somebody who knows the San Bernardino and L.A. scene well, I would think that you too would have long been fed up with how those cops behave.

The "perception" is largely only held by conservatives who cling to radical right-wing sources for their nourishment. The rest of us just see a mess wrapped in an ongoing message. Note...the protests also include conservatives.
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Go join them if this astroturfing political PAC full of cop haters means so much to you. Rip down a few statues, and see what happens.
 
Schism said:
A perfect example of trying to water down BLM's message. Obama tried it 4 years ago, the democrats and media are trying again now.
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Ah..."the media!"

Strange how you are being shown violence through the media, yet accuse "the media" of watering it down. This is what happens when you get used to the idea that you can dismiss any and all things you don't like as simply "fake news."

Even stranger is how you can accuse the "Democrats," while ignoring the conservatives and Republicans in the crowd.

As in all things under the sun, you people aren't satisfied until you have politicized everything.
 
MSgt said:
Ah..."the media!"

Strange how you are being shown violence through the media, yet accuse "the media" of watering it down. This is what happens when you get used to the idea that you can dismiss any and all things you don't like as simply "fake news."

Even stranger is how you can accuse the "Democrats," while ignoring the conservatives and Republicans in the crowd.

As in all things under the sun, you people aren't satisfied until you have politicized everything.
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No, you will not twist my words. The media is trying to water down BLM's radical message. The violence is being shown to support the narrative of systemic racism among police officers nationwide.
 
trixare4kids said:
Go join them if this astroturfing political PAC full of cop haters means so much to you. Rip down a few statues, and see what happens.
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1) Oh, I don't care enough to join any protest. I'm white, and my neighborhood isn't affected. Even if it were I wouldn't see any violence. But I can certainly use my intellect to appreciate the message that history has clearly declared as truth.

2) But I do care about my country celebrating rebel scum who thought so little of the principles of my country that they tossed the national flag aside to raise another. And with the vast majority of these Confederate statues being built between the 1890s and the 1950s (the Jim Crow period), the white message was clear. And black people within those communities get to be reminded of that "proud" and "great" history every day. Again, I can appreciate the situation beyond the end of my nose.

I wonder if you actually believe in anything that radical right-wing sources doesn't feed you.
 
Ouroboros said:
I realize how stupid it is to make a sweeping assertion without having anything to back it up with beyond facile sophistry.
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yes, BLM supporters and sympathizers don't exist.


smart game.
 
MSgt said:
And those videos showing cops dancing with BLM protesters simply do not exist, huh? The idea that BLM is simply opposed to the police is a right-wing message to help you ignore the actual message. Clearly, all understand that police are necessary. Simply "opposed" to cops is nonsensical. Clearly, they are opposed to the documented, disproportionate police brutality, where even a cuffed black man is game. They know, as do you, that without the protests, that cop would have just moved on to the next day. Getting away with it is routine among a police force that would rather protect and defend their own, rather than hold one accountable for lowering the standard of conduct.

And in regards to the anger displayed within the crowd, this anger was tempered when they just knelt at football games. White people, especially conservatives, didn't want to hear the message then either. It's a simple formula seen in every culture. Eventually, people get fed up and the power realizes that they could have avoided it all had they simply listened and acknowledged on a proper level when they should have. We can send this formula into terrorism as well. Our country, like most others, seems to have to come to a crisis before mother****ers listen.

So, here's the moral of the study: Ignore this today, and await escalation tomorrow.

That being said, the real question now is why they are still protesting. Police departments and cities across the nation have officially declared a need for reform. A clear transition is taking place in regards to holding abusive cops accountable, which will raise the standards of conduct among the police, who should have always held their own accountable rather than defend them, thus lowering general standards. Towns and cities across the nation have officially sought, and plenty achieved, dismantling rebel celebratory statues. Even Mississippi is moving to remove the treason from their state flag. And even the idiot in the White House has signed legislation about the need for national police reform. In a sense, the protesters have achieved and won. So...go home. For now. In a few years, when/if all of this largely comes to no real change, perhaps you will remember this paragraph.
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The death of a black man at the hands of a white cop was just a smokescreen for Antifa, BLM and Marxists to oust Trump and bring for a Socialist Utopia. They are npt anti-cop.They are anti-America and everything it stands for. They want totalitarian rule.
 
Gondwanaland said:
Everyone should stand for the dissolution of the nuclear family? Because that's literally one of their positions.

And interestingly, that position pretty much guarantees more poor black teens turning to gangs and crime, and never rising out of their socioeconomic bracket. The single best determinant in future success of a child is having a two-parent household. The fact that single motherhood in the black family is so enormous, is the main reason that black communities are still so poverty-stricken.
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More extended families tends to help with that.
 
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