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White House Was Aware Of Russian Bounties In Early 2019: Report

beerftw said:
Well I seem to recall so much of the intel saying directly opposite of the un named source, do I need to link spam you news articles because you are unable to read them? why do liberals scream trump must listen to the intel community until they say something that contradicts them? So far nothing coming from the intel community is backing any of these claims except an un named source, with all other evidence contradicting it.
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LOL! You can't recall what hnever actually happened.

Fun to catch you in such naked dishonesty and watch you sputter.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
LOL! You can't recall what hnever actually happened.

Fun to catch you in such naked dishonesty and watch you sputter.
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Why you like to cite the intel agencies saying trump was briefed, oh yeah it never happened they said the opposite, so now not only do you have no proof but an anonymous source but you start accusing others of disonesty,

When you have nothing to back up your claims go on the attack,Like I said if you wish I can link spam you all the various links debunking what you already claimed, they are not in hiding or some magical entity you can only find with a decoder ring.
 
beerftw said:
I do not think you even understand national security or intel if you are making such claims, as if anything close to such intel was briefed to the white house for every instance, the potus would need to be on meth 24/7 until his heart explodes and still never read all such intel. Intel is usually verified one way or another in a large way before it hits the white house, and evidence coming from all directions show it is not verified intel, with none of the intel agencies denying such intel exists, but all of them talking about such saying the potus was not briefed and that the intel was never verified as credible.
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WHAT? You telling me that during PEACE NEGOTIATION with the Taliban to release 2000 taliban fighters, the president shouldn't be advised of multi-source HUMINT about direct threats to american and coalition troops? This "oh it should have been verified" is bull****, it had a least one point of verification with the tracing of money transfers from russia to taliban accounts. It appears as tho the national security apparatus surrounding him is operationally dysfunctional if he didn't know about. The DNI sure as hell said that response options were prepared, "just in case" it was. If the DNI apparatus spent time on threat development to that extent, it is inconceivable the commander in chief would not be advised.

He is a national security threat and a wholly incompetent commander in chief.
 
beerftw said:
Why you like to cite the intel agencies saying trump was briefed, oh yeah it never happened they said the opposite, so now not only do you have no proof but an anonymous source but you start accusing others of disonesty,

When you have nothing to back up your claims go on the attack,Like I said if you wish I can link spam you all the various links debunking what you already claimed, they are not in hiding or some magical entity you can only find with a decoder ring.
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Nice to see you retract your asshat claim.

Thanks!
 
lurchadams said:
We all know this. What will be interesting this time is how the trumpists rationalize it.

White House Was Aware Of Russian Bounties In Early 2019: Report | HuffPost
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So was Obama in 2014. So was I all along. Afganiatan was Russia's Viet Nam & we relished in their armies defeat in Afghanistan.
We helped Bin laden & the muhadeen send Russia packing. You'd have to be a moran if you didn't think Russia would do anything
possible to have us have the same failure that they had there.
 
Jonsa said:
WHAT? You telling me that during PEACE NEGOTIATION with the Taliban to release 2000 taliban fighters, the president shouldn't be advised of multi-source HUMINT about direct threats to american and coalition troops? This "oh it should have been verified" is bull****, it had a least one point of verification with the tracing of money transfers from russia to taliban accounts. It appears as tho the national security apparatus surrounding him is operationally dysfunctional if he didn't know about. The DNI sure as hell said that response options were prepared, "just in case" it was. If the DNI apparatus spent time on threat development to that extent, it is inconceivable the commander in chief would not be advised.

He is a national security threat and a wholly incompetent commander in chief.
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All coming out so far says the intel was of medium at best level of confidence, which means the cia, pentagon etc were not too sure on the intel as well. Should the potus be breifed on everything not clearing intel scrutiny first?

Should we send soldiers in because xyz person interoggated said a captive was there with 5 taliban guarded and not do proper research to make sure it is not deception or an ambush? Intel is more tricky than you think, many captured combatants lie, as do many informants, there is an entire process to determine how valid intel is, as an enemy will use lies, subversion and backstabbing, and determining what is good and what is bad is not something easily decided, but rather investigated and cross checked by various agencies handling intel before any action is taken.
 
beerftw said:
All coming out so far says the intel was of medium at best level of confidence, which means the cia, pentagon etc were not too sure on the intel as well. Should the potus be breifed on everything not clearing intel scrutiny first?

Should we send soldiers in because xyz person interoggated said a captive was there with 5 taliban guarded and not do proper research to make sure it is not deception or an ambush? Intel is more tricky than you think, many captured combatants lie, as do many informants, there is an entire process to determine how valid intel is, as an enemy will use lies, subversion and backstabbing, and determining what is good and what is bad is not something easily decided, but rather investigated and cross checked by various agencies handling intel before any action is taken.
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i see what you are saying. Reports derived from multiple humint sources and partially corroborated by monetary transfers, is not of much importance in the US negotiating the release of 2,000 Taliban fighters back into the field. When the PRESIDENT hissownself has stated he wanted outta dodge? Get serious. Not even trump's national security team could be that incompetent.

And perhaps you shouldn't pretend you are aware of how intell is developed and consumed in operational theaters.
 
Jonsa said:
i see what you are saying. Reports derived from multiple humint sources and partially corroborated by monetary transfers, is not of much importance in the US negotiating the release of 2,000 Taliban fighters back into the field. When the PRESIDENT hissownself has stated he wanted outta dodge? Get serious. Not even trump's national security team could be that incompetent.

And perhaps you shouldn't pretend you are aware of how intell is developed and consumed in operational theaters.
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What I am saying is intel is far from fact, it is scrutinized over and over as well as crosschecked. So far the pentagon nor any intel agencies have denied there was intel on the bounty, what they are denying is that it was deemed credible.

With intel it is hard to tell what is a lie, what is true, and what is only partially true, and no govt will run headfirst based on any intel before putting it through the test.

Also with the supposed officials leaking such intel it does nothing to hurt trump, people will forget about it in a month or less, but the leaking could cause foreign adversaries to cover their tracks more and shift strategy, meaning if there was promise of getting it verified with a high degree of confidence, the whistlle blower just blew it.
 
beerftw said:
What I am saying is intel is far from fact, it is scrutinized over and over as well as crosschecked. So far the pentagon nor any intel agencies have denied there was intel on the bounty, what they are denying is that it was deemed credible.

With intel it is hard to tell what is a lie, what is true, and what is only partially true, and no govt will run headfirst based on any intel before putting it through the test.

Also with the supposed officials leaking such intel it does nothing to hurt trump, people will forget about it in a month or less, but the leaking could cause foreign adversaries to cover their tracks more and shift strategy, meaning if there was promise of getting it verified with a high degree of confidence, the whistlle blower just blew it.
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Its not about the "people's memory". Its about his blatant incompetence and the dysfunction of his administration. You know putting the nation first. As Commander in Chief putting force protection at the top friggin' priority list.

I get he's counting on his followers to ignore his utter dereliction because like them, he's a poor oppressed white person under threat from commies/fascists/leftists/lgbt/anarchists/BLM/Antifa anti american americans.

Poor Benedict Donald everyone is being mean to him and everyone is lying about him.
 
Jonsa said:
Its not about the "people's memory". Its about his blatant incompetence and the dysfunction of his administration. You know putting the nation first. As Commander in Chief putting force protection at the top friggin' priority list.

I get he's counting on his followers to ignore his utter dereliction because like them, he's a poor oppressed white person under threat from commies/fascists/leftists/lgbt/anarchists/BLM/Antifa anti american americans.

Poor Benedict Donald everyone is being mean to him and everyone is lying about him.
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I never said about peoples memory, you seemed to throw a strawman there. My argument is intel is often far from accurate, and the agencies collecting it know it.

So if intel does not deem it credible how is it gross incompetence by the administration if the intel which yall were swearing by when it was the dnc server but now they debunk the whole bounty trump did nothing theme and yall want to double down on it despite all evidence proving it wrong and the only evidence proving your case is an un named whistle blower that no one in govt can back up and even pelosi is admitting trump was not briefed but tried to give her own spin on it.

The whole story started falling apart on day one and news feeds rarely mention it anymore, it was nothing but a cheap shot that fell apart when tested against intel agencies, and the ones pushing it are so desperate to believe it is true they will deny all fact or logic as their mind was already made up from the start.
 
beerftw said:
I never said about peoples memory, you seemed to throw a strawman there. My argument is intel is often far from accurate, and the agencies collecting it know it.
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what was that about strawman?
"people will forget about it in a month or less"


So if intel does not deem it credible how is it gross incompetence by the administration if the intel which yall were swearing by when it was the dnc server but now they debunk the whole bounty trump did nothing theme and yall want to double down on it despite all evidence proving it wrong and the only evidence proving your case is an un named whistle blower that no one in govt can back up and even pelosi is admitting trump was not briefed but tried to give her own spin on it.

The whole story started falling apart on day one and news feeds rarely mention it anymore, it was nothing but a cheap shot that fell apart when tested against intel agencies, and the ones pushing it are so desperate to believe it is true they will deny all fact or logic as their mind was already made up from the start.
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It wasn't deemed credible? NONSENSE. If trump wasn't briefed about this, then his national security infrastructure has failed him. If they are filtering what they tell him because he goes off the deep end when it comes to russian nastiness, and burying it in his PDB because it covers their arses, then he has created an environment that is in itself an existential threat to national security.

You falsely accuse me of a strawman and then immediately go into a whataboutry about the DNC server.
And as to the idiotic claim that Pelosi "admitted" trump wasn't briefed, Pelsosi ACCUSED trump of not READING his briefs. Do you always indulge in cheap spin?
 
Jonsa said:
what was that about strawman?
"people will forget about it in a month or less"




It wasn't deemed credible? NONSENSE. If trump wasn't briefed about this, then his national security infrastructure has failed him. If they are filtering what they tell him because he goes off the deep end when it comes to russian nastiness, and burying it in his PDB because it covers their arses, then he has created an environment that is in itself an existential threat to national security.

You falsely accuse me of a strawman and then immediately go into a whataboutry about the DNC server.
And as to the idiotic claim that Pelosi "admitted" trump wasn't briefed, Pelsosi ACCUSED trump of not READING his briefs. Do you always indulge in cheap spin?
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The strawman reread you last post directed at me, you made up a false argument to knock down, hence a strawman.


No intel is saying it is not deemed credible, you do not decide what is credible, a single official in intel does not decide what is credible, it goes through an extensive network to determine how credible intel is before it becomes the centerpiece in a whitehouse briefing, intel itself is the ones saying it was not credible, ie intel sources were conflicting.


Pelosi ADMITTED TRUMP WAS NOT BRIEFED AFTER SHE WAS BRIEFED< WHAT PART OIF NOT BRIEFED DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND! Literally all evidence is contradicting you, even from those like pelosi, the entire ny times article could barely last a week before it was destroyed from every angle, and the news pretty much is pretending like it never happened now.

You might want to keep up with the news, but given you still believe that pelosi knows he was briefed already says you have blocked out all news past the original articles as they are directly contradicting your view.
 
beerftw said:
The strawman reread you last post directed at me, you made up a false argument to knock down, hence a strawman.


No intel is saying it is not deemed credible, you do not decide what is credible, a single official in intel does not decide what is credible, it goes through an extensive network to determine how credible intel is before it becomes the centerpiece in a whitehouse briefing, intel itself is the ones saying it was not credible, ie intel sources were conflicting.


Pelosi ADMITTED TRUMP WAS NOT BRIEFED AFTER SHE WAS BRIEFED< WHAT PART OIF NOT BRIEFED DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND! Literally all evidence is contradicting you, even from those like pelosi, the entire ny times article could barely last a week before it was destroyed from every angle, and the news pretty much is pretending like it never happened now.

You might want to keep up with the news, but given you still believe that pelosi knows he was briefed already says you have blocked out all news past the original articles as they are directly contradicting your view.
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Meanwhile, it seems it has been taken seriously by the allies fighting in afghanistan. And after being briefed what has he chosen to do? apart from launching an investigation of the leak, SFA. not a peep, instead he's trying to kapoernik Bubba wallace, protect Mt. Rushmore from hordes of evil leftist facist marxist antifas, and protect the flag and statutes of traitorous racist losers.

Go on defending the absolute worst commander in chief in history who isn't honoring his oath of office.
 
Jonsa said:
Meanwhile, it seems it has been taken seriously by the allies fighting in afghanistan. And after being briefed what has he chosen to do? apart from launching an investigation of the leak, SFA. not a peep, instead he's trying to kapoernik Bubba wallace, protect Mt. Rushmore from hordes of evil leftist facist marxist antifas, and protect the flag and statutes of traitorous racist losers.

Go on defending the absolute worst commander in chief in history who isn't honoring his oath of office.
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Informing allies is not the same as declaring it fully credible, the us and europe swap information all the time even if not confirmed beyond rumor status, that is called allies sharing information, and it also can aid in overall intel as no longer is a single country lookin into it but multiple. It still however does not make it credible, our intel has not deemed it credible, and other nations have yet to as well, this does not mean the information is false but rather that the various intel agencies have failed to confirm it as true as of yet.
 
beerftw said:
Informing allies is not the same as declaring it fully credible, the us and europe swap information all the time even if not confirmed beyond rumor status, that is called allies sharing information, and it also can aid in overall intel as no longer is a single country lookin into it but multiple. It still however does not make it credible, our intel has not deemed it credible, and other nations have yet to as well, this does not mean the information is false but rather that the various intel agencies have failed to confirm it as true as of yet.
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Sure thing. So it wasn't credible and he did nothing but he's apparently on a witch hunt for whoever leaked the info. "LEAKED" being the operative word. Feel free to think he is actually a competent commander in chief.
 
Jonsa said:
Sure thing. So it wasn't credible and he did nothing but he's apparently on a witch hunt for whoever leaked the info. "LEAKED" being the operative word. Feel free to think he is actually a competent commander in chief.
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Exactly. Whoever leaked the information is a traitor to this nation. Information gathered by our intelligence should never be leaked. This is beyond stupid. The people leaking intelligence need to end up in front of a firing squad. We already had too many idiots handling classified information.
 
Jonsa said:
Sure thing. So it wasn't credible and he did nothing but he's apparently on a witch hunt for whoever leaked the info. "LEAKED" being the operative word. Feel free to think he is actually a competent commander in chief.
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Bein on a hunt does not make it credible, as said before the intel may have held truth but has not been verified as credible yet, however leaking such inel for the sole purpose of harming the potus only had he most brief effect against him, while it could have a massive effect on intel gathering, meaning what leads may have been there to prove it credible if they existed are now severed, as anyone involved likely is covering every track now that they know they are being watched, making it near impossible to verify such intel.

If it was true and the kremlin sanctioned it leaking such intel causes he govt to cover it's tracks. If the gru did it by itself against putin it would be likely they went full retard covering their tracks as not only would the have to deal with america but also putin, and putin tends to make those who oppose the will of the govt dissapear in obvious way like shooting themselves in the back of the head or jumping from a building but having a evident boot print on their back. Either way whether there was nothing there, or putin was behind it, or putin was not and the gru was doing it behind his back, the trail was severed with the leak, hindering intel from gaining proper knowledge on the situation, the leak in no way benefitted america unless you considered removing trump as the only thing beneffitting this nation.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
What is to rationalize. The president is not releasing intelligence. Only an idiot shows their hole cards. Information is valuable but even more valuable if you know and they don't know. Is everyone really this stupid.
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Yeah, the reason your deflection doesn't work is because trump and his administration lied about trump knowing about Russia paying to kill Americans. trump's "punishment" to Putin for his killing our troops was to invite him to rejoin the G7 and show his boyfriend his Doral resort.

trump has been covering for Putin since before he was even elected, so please don't insult our intelligence and claim trump's lying was actually some kind of strategy. trump's only "strategy" since before he was elected is trying to vilify and to manipulate the media in order to deflect from each of his crimes as they are discovered.
 
lurchadams said:
Yeah, the reason your deflection doesn't work is because trump and his administration lied about trump knowing about Russia paying to kill Americans. trump's "punishment" to Putin for his killing our troops was to invite him to rejoin the G7 and show his boyfriend his Doral resort.

trump has been covering for Putin since before he was even elected, so please don't insult our intelligence and claim trump's lying was actually some kind of strategy. trump's only "strategy" since before he was elected is trying to vilify and to manipulate the media in order to deflect from each of his crimes as they are discovered.
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The only crime is the traitor to our nation leaking intelligence.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
The only crime is the traitor to our nation leaking intelligence.
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This Navy Seal and the patriotic Republicans who made this ad disagree with you. I'll go with their opinions and credibility over yours.

 
lurchadams said:
This Navy Seal and the patriotic Republicans who made this ad disagree with you. I'll go with their opinions and credibility over yours.

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I am sure he was given all the information the president was given on the situation.
 
beefheart said:
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You have taken your first step of getting out of the cult you are in by acknowledging you are in one.
:thumbs: Good for you.





lurchadams said:
Excon said:
lurchadams said:
Cool story, bro. This is going to be a hard one for trump to come back from - but he knows his criminality won't bother loyalists such as yourself.
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Delusional nonsense.
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Congress is holding hearings on it right now. Liz Cheney is one of the Senators leading the charge.

Tick, tick, tick, my friend!
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:lamo
Just more delusional nonsense.
 
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