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Trump orders massive cut to U.S. troop numbers in Germany: report

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Gotta cause as much damage to America while he can as president.
 
Its a good idea. Make Germany pay and man their own defense.
 
PoS said:
Its a good idea. Make Germany pay and man their own defense.
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Yeah, cause that worked out real well for the world last time we tried it.
 
ashurbanipal said:
Yeah, cause that worked out real well for the world last time we tried it.
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Well if theyre stupid enough to go Nazi again we'll just stomp them one more time, no biggie.
 
ashurbanipal said:
Yeah, cause that worked out real well for the world last time we tried it.
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When was that?


I don't see a need for a huge number of troops in Germany any longer. This is something liberals have been calling for. Why the sudden U turn on that now?
 
Tahuyaman said:
When was that?
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Uhhh...are you serious?

Tahuyaman said:
I don't see a need for a huge number of troops in Germany any longer. This is something liberals have been calling for. Why the sudden U turn on that now?
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I don't know which liberals those have been--unless you mean those who think we ought to withdraw all military forces from everywhere. It's a pretty dumb geopolitical move, though--one that could only be explained by either A) there being a moron in the White House or B) there being a President who is secretly beholden to Vladimir Putin. Or both.

Russia is clamoring upward for their former position as a superpower. They're some distance away from that goal yet, but they aren't conflicted about it--every fiber of their politics is bent towards it now. Every move they make announces that such is their intention. Putin and his circle envision a world in which Russia controls Europe and Asia, thereby controlling roughly 7/10ths of the world's total wealth (counting unextracted mineral wealth in Asia, particularly the Middle East). Geopolitically, the reason we went into Iraq, and the reason we maintain a strong military presence in Germany, South Korea, and Japan, as well as remain friendly with India, is so that we can effectively counter any aggressive moves by Russia or China and prevent either from that kind of ascendancy on the world stage.

Theoretically, having a strong enough presence in Europe will cause Russia to look more to the East, and set Russia and China against each other eventually--a situation that would be good for us in the long run. Conversely, drawing down our military presence in Europe opens the doors to increasing Russian aggression in the European theater, and essentially gives away another advantage in the grand game--a blunder that may well lose the game in the long run.
 
PoS said:
Well if theyre stupid enough to go Nazi again we'll just stomp them one more time, no biggie.
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I'm sure you weren't alive during World War II, but it cost us a great deal to go to war in Europe and the Pacific. Had we not won--and victory was by no means assured then as it would not be now--it likely would have destroyed this country. This is one of those situations where an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

See my post to Tahuyaman, above. Admittedly, my reply was a touch facetious, but there is a very real risk inherent in this move, and no advantage to be gained that I can see.
 
So many on this site have been yelling about our defense spending....

He does something to start reducing it, and the first response is OMG watch out for Russia

Isnt it about time we let Europe take care of Europe....let them spend their precious GDP dollars on defense, and see how well they do

We have been carrying their water since the late 40's....time for them to pony up, and get their act together

All of them....and we can sit back and watch them go slowly broke....as they try to pay for it all
 
gdgyva said:
So many on this site have been yelling about our defense spending....

He does something to start reducing it, and the first response is OMG watch out for Russia

Isnt it about time we let Europe take care of Europe....let them spend their precious GDP dollars on defense, and see how well they do

We have been carrying their water since the late 40's....time for them to pony up, and get their act together

All of them....and we can sit back and watch them go slowly broke....as they try to pay for it all
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There are a great many other ways to reduce defense spending. The most obvious way would be to reduce waste in the DoD--you may recall during the Bush administration the hearings in which DoD officials testified before Congress to having lost (IIRC) 8 trillion dollars over ten years (not sure about the 8, but the amount was in the trillions of dollars). That is, they literally lost it; they were letting defense contractors do their accounting, with no centralized clearing house, and when there was finally a preliminary audit, the money was just missing. Of course, anyone with half a brain knows where the money went.

The resolution of the case was that the DoD just made an adjustment to their books. So, rather than do something that imperils our country and the world, let's start with getting DoD waste under control first.

Trump's move is like a homeowner, responding to complaints about their filthy house, burning down the house rather than cleaning it up.
 
Liberals are all for reducing the American military presence in Europe until Trump advocates that. Then all of a sudden they become hawks and do a 180.
 
Tahuyaman said:
Liberals are all for reducing the American military presence in Europe until Trump advocates that. Then all of a sudden they become hawks and do a 180.
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Hmmm...can you find a few (i.e. 5-6) semi-recent (last decade) quotes from prominent liberals saying we need to draw down our troop levels in Germany? I don't recall any liberals making that kind of claim.
 
armycowboy said:
And all the Soldiers who will die or be maimed? No biggie, right?
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We'll be using drones and nukes if the Germans are dumb enough to fight us again.
 
armycowboy said:
Of course we will. We're going to contaminate Europe with nuclear fallout. :roll:
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Europe is already contaminated... its full of Europeans! :2razz:
 
ashurbanipal said:
Hmmm...can you find a few (i.e. 5-6) semi-recent (last decade) quotes from prominent liberals saying we need to draw down our troop levels in Germany? I don't recall any liberals making that kind of claim.
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The Russians are more worried about Germany invading them!. Russia’s USSR was to protect themselves from invasion from the European west.
 
Rexedgar said:
Trump orders massive cut to U.S. troop numbers in Germany: report


The U.S. military will reduce its footprint in Germany by nearly one-third after President Donald Trump ordered a dramatic drawdown in force levels from the key NATO ally, the Wall Street Journal reported on


That will teach Angela to get uppity!
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Im pleasantly surprised that Trump is behind this. Its way overdue but I am shocked Mr big military is downsizing our pressence there.

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Tahuyaman said:
When was that?


I don't see a need for a huge number of troops in Germany any longer. This is something liberals have been calling for. Why the sudden U turn on that now?
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Because Trump is the one getting credit for doing it

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ashurbanipal said:
Hmmm...can you find a few (i.e. 5-6) semi-recent (last decade) quotes from prominent liberals saying we need to draw down our troop levels in Germany? I don't recall any liberals making that kind of claim.
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Are you kidding?
 
Ever since the fall of the Soviet Union and the disbanding of the Warsaw Pact, liberals have been calling for drastic to a complete reduction in US troops in Europe. Until now anyway.
 
Tahuyaman said:
Ever since the fall of the Soviet Union and the disbanding of the Warsaw Pact, liberals have been calling for drastic to a complete reduction in US troops in Europe. Until now anyway.
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Remember, any Trump action is met with contempt by the anti-Trumps and liberals even if they secretly agree with what he's doing.
 
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