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Police groups break with Biden

Paradoxical said:
That's a white guy and it just proves the cops don't care about the color of one's skin. Thanks for being the thousands person to confirm what I say.

PS...that is his head and not his neck
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The only way to prove that some cops are racist is to prove that cops only ever use force against black people?

That seems like a very stupid argument to make, and by saying this I have insulted stupid arguments.
 
Paradoxical said:
I bet that same cop has done similar things to white people in the past.
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And given my own terrifying encounter with a police officer, I would agree with that statement. That officer was so bulked up, that I thought steroids might have contributed to his behavior. Regardless, when we look at horrible crimes that take multiple lives, we are bewildered and question over and over the motivations. People like Timothy McVeigh come to mind. And the reason why McVeigh is important is because he appeared rational. Clearly he wasn't, and the damage he did was shocking, but if he had instead taken that internal anger and applied to a police acadamy, would he have been accepted?? By most accounts he was personable, presentable and bright. And look what he did. Our real problem is that we don't have a federal task force looking into the history of police in this country. Police departments cannot realistically police themselves. There's just too much history between the men and women of those departments to take on that task. But let me reitierate, I do agree that very rarely are these violent acts isolated in an individual with any age. Thanks!!
 
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aociswundumho said:
Yes, unions are bad, but not because of their racist origins. What you missed is that they also excluded white people as well.

Again, unions are labor cartels. I'm not going to spend my time educating you, because unfortunately you have the same problem as this poor guy:
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You declare that as if that makes it a fact. Then you resort to ad hominem.

Yawn.
 
American said:
Yeah, but not on a federal level. It's needs to happen locally.
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Famous racist excuse. I remember when conservatives used to say this about racial integration
 
aociswundumho said:
Yes, unions are bad, but not because of their racist origins. What you missed is that they also excluded white people as well.

Again, unions are labor cartels. I'm not going to spend my time educating you, because unfortunately you have the same problem as this poor guy:

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Yet, when unions were strong, the middle class was too.

Conservatives are fine with neither. A top Trump economic advisor is ready to drive the "human capital stock" back into Coronavirus workplaces.
 
HumblePi said:
I think Joe Biden is standing up for decency and the rule of law.

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I think Joe Biden has had his day. He's an appeaser like Neville Chamberlain. I'm not concerned with his domestic policy. He's a professional politician; he's going to parrot popular talking points, and it's no wonder that he's piling on the criticism of Trump. My guess is that he sees an opportunity so he's gonna take it. Only natural. But if you truly want to see an alternative to Trump, methinks you need to have a solid candidate that is not afraid of defining him or herself. Sanders was that person and I'm sorry that America wasn't ready for him. Another from what I've assessed is Corey Booker: a seriously smart guy. Apparently we're - or at least the left - are not ready for him either. And for whatever it's worth, I would have supported Cuomo. Christie, and even a couple of guys and gals that never even threw their hat in but should have been on the A list. Why?? Because they stand there and tell you who they are and don't try to mealy mouth. Why did Trump get elected?? He said it himself: he's got all the money he needs and he knows how the game is played. It RESONATED!! People wanted somebody that didn't need to appease anybody financially because he couldn't care less, and that attitude secured his election. He was for average Americans!! Lately, Booker seems like a stand up guy whose principles outweigh money, and that has the smarts to stop making accusations against average white Americans. He's not experienced in foreign policy YET but he seems to get the picture and has the character to be unafraid of confrontation with powers that are trying undermine us. And, Christie would never have let the Chinese government rule the day as they do now or at least are attempting to do so. I commend Trump for that!! We have had in the very recent past a lot of good candidates that stood there exposed and were willing to tell the truth. And the truth is, we just don't want to be bought and sold. So my solution is a third party, and I really think it's the only solution. Thanks!!
 
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Mr Person said:
The only way to prove that some cops are racist is to prove that cops only ever use force against black people?

That seems like a very stupid argument to make, and by saying this I have insulted stupid arguments.
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I get tired of the racism BS. Yes, there are a very few cops that don't like blacks. You want to allow people to burn and loot because of that?
 
Paradoxical said:
I get tired of the racism BS. Yes, there are a very few cops that don't like blacks. You want to allow people to burn and loot because of that?
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/// I get 'tired' of the racism BS. /// You are on the exact same page with black Americans. Congratulations!
 
Logophile said:
And given my own terrifying encounter with a police officer, I would agree with that statement. That officer was so bulked up, that I thought steroids might have contributed to his behavior. Regardless, when we look at horrible crimes that take multiple lives, we are bewildered and question over and over the motivations. People like Timothy McVeigh come to mind. And the reason why McVeigh is important is because he appeared rational. Clearly he wasn't, and the damage he did was shocking, but if he had instead taken that internal anger and applied to a police acadamy, would he have been accepted?? By most accounts he was personable, presentable and bright. And look what he did. Our real problem is that we don't have a federal task force looking into the history of police in this country. Police departments cannot realistically police themselves. There's just too much history between the men and women of those departments to take on that task. But let me reitierate, I do agree that very rarely are these violent acts isolated in an individual with any age. Thanks!!
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Unions get too strong and it is way too hard to discipline and fire people because of the way the unions set it up. I understand cops get afraid and adrenaline kinks in but the police department needs to be able and required to fire cops like that. Instead, they have to go through all kinds of BS and take months if not years to do it, with the union heads saying NO.
 
Paradoxical said:
I get tired of the racism BS. Yes, there are a very few cops that don't like blacks. You want to allow people to burn and loot because of that?
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What do you mean "allow people to burn and loot?" Where did you get that ridiculous idea?
 
Paradoxical said:
Unions get too strong and it is way too hard to discipline and fire people because of the way the unions set it up. I understand cops get afraid and adrenaline kinks in but the police department needs to be able and required to fire cops like that. Instead, they have to go through all kinds of BS and take months if not years to do it, with the union heads saying NO.
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Police unions absolutely do need to be abolished. There's strong data showing that police unions correlate to an increase in police brutality and abuse.
 
Paradoxical said:
I get tired of the racism BS. Yes, there are a very few cops that don't like blacks. You want to allow people to burn and loot because of that?
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If the cops weren't so intend on beating protesters, they could stop the looting.
 
Deuce said:
What do you mean "allow people to burn and loot?" Where did you get that ridiculous idea?
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For days you saw police in major cities told by the mayors to stand back, keep their distance and let the protesters vent their anger, as they burned and looted. If you deny it then you just don't want to tell the sad truth.
 
Paradoxical said:
Unions get too strong and it is way too hard to discipline and fire people because of the way the unions set it up. I understand cops get afraid and adrenaline kinks in but the police department needs to be able and required to fire cops like that. Instead, they have to go through all kinds of BS and take months if not years to do it, with the union heads saying NO.
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Absolutely agree. Great post!!
 
Integrityrespec said:
For days you saw police in major cities told by the mayors to stand back, keep their distance and let the protesters vent their anger, as they burned and looted. If you deny it then you just don't want to tell the sad truth.
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Link to such a statement.

You seem to be conflating protesters with looters. Is that intentional? Do you really think these are the same people?
 
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Paradoxical said:
More white people are killed by cops than are black people.
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Whites kill more cops than blacks but in terms of proportion, blacks have a much higher per capita amount of cop killing. I think the numbers I saw was 43% of cop killers in a recent study, were white, 38% black and the rest asian etc. And often Latinos are counted as white for these purposes.
 
Logophile said:
I think Joe Biden has had his day. He's an appeaser like Neville Chamberlain. I'm not concerned with his domestic policy. He's a professional politician; he's going to parrot popular talking points, and it's no wonder that he's piling on the criticism of Trump. My guess is that he sees an opportunity so he's gonna take it. Only natural. But if you truly want to see an alternative to Trump, methinks you need to have a solid candidate that is not afraid of defining him or herself. Sanders was that person and I'm sorry that America wasn't ready for him. Another from what I've assessed is Corey Booker: a seriously smart guy. Apparently we're - or at least the left - are not ready for him either. And for whatever it's worth, I would have supported Cuomo. Christie, and even a couple of guys and gals that never even threw their hat in but should have been on the A list. Why?? Because they stand there and tell you who they are and don't try to mealy mouth. Why did Trump get elected?? He said it himself: he's got all the money he needs and he knows how the game is played. It RESONATED!! People wanted somebody that didn't need to appease anybody financially because he couldn't care less, and that attitude secured his election. He was for average Americans!! Lately, Booker seems like a stand up guy whose principles outweigh money, and that has the smarts to stop making accusations against average white Americans. He's not experienced in foreign policy YET but he seems to get the picture and has the character to be unafraid of confrontation with powers that are trying undermine us. And, Christie would never have let the Chinese government rule the day as they do now or at least are attempting to do so. I commend Trump for that!! We have had in the very recent past a lot of good candidates that stood there exposed and were willing to tell the truth. And the truth is, we just don't want to be bought and sold. So my solution is a third party, and I really think it's the only solution. Thanks!!
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Trump didn't get elected because he was for 'average Americans' and he didn't get elected because he 'had all the money and didn't want to appease anyone financially'. Neither of those are the real reasons Trump got elected. Sure, his popularity as a television personality appealed to many that only knew him from The Apprentice.

We have to look a little deeper for the reasons people voted for Trump. He spoke to them in their language, not the language of a professional politician - all polished and proper. They liked that to begin with. More importantly, he spoke their language. "You've been forgotten, you've been left behind. The rich 'deep state' has kept you oppressed. The immigrants are taking your jobs" etc.

Many republicans felt that things were going to be really different that this time they would matter, that they would count, that he would 'drain the swamp' and that by electing him they had done what matters and what would make the difference. They felt left behind and that the 'elites' up in New York looked down on them and belittled them. They wanted someone to fight for them and to make them important too, and he spoke to that inferiority complex in them and it registered with them. Of course they should have known, he's a wealthy, entitled New Yorker to the bone

But he didn't. He hasn't done anything he promised although despite that, his most vocal supporters cheered him on during the 'phony witch hunt' by Mueller. The 'fake news and lies' about his bribing the government of Ukraine to do his bidding. And just about every other egregious and un-presidential thing he's done over the past 3 years.

But there's a lot of republicans that have been in denial for years now because they're realizing that that Trump is not their champion, that things haven't gotten better for them. They're seeing that republicans in Congress don't have any interest in them at all, not in the least. They don't want to accept that they were wrong only because it harms their allegiance and it injures their pride. But there are 'real' republicans that can look at this without the rose-colored glasses on anymore and see that Trump isn't turning out to be the man they thought he would be.
 
Deuce said:
Police unions absolutely do need to be abolished. There's strong data showing that police unions correlate to an increase in police brutality and abuse.
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Do you have any data?? Really, I'm asking!!
 
PoS said:
Police groups break with Biden - POLITICO



Uh, oh. TwoFace Joe is now being called out for his hypocrisy. What do you think?
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Fact of the matter is that the police do need to reform. If that hurts their feelings, well....then they should either man up or quit.

Seriously. Enough innocent people have been hurt or killed.
 
HumblePi said:
Trump didn't get elected because he was for 'average Americans' and he didn't get elected because he 'had all the money and didn't want to appease anyone financially'. Neither of those are the real reasons Trump got elected. Sure, his popularity as a television personality appealed to many that only knew him from The Apprentice.

We have to look a little deeper for the reasons people voted for Trump. He spoke to them in their language, not the language of a professional politician - all polished and proper. They liked that to begin with. More importantly, he spoke their language. "You've been forgotten, you've been left behind. The rich 'deep state' has kept you oppressed. The immigrants are taking your jobs" etc.

Many republicans felt that things were going to be really different that this time they would matter, that they would count, that he would 'drain the swamp' and that by electing him they had done what matters and what would make the difference. They felt left behind and that the 'elites' up in New York looked down on them and belittled them. They wanted someone to fight for them and to make them important too, and he spoke to that inferiority complex in them and it registered with them. Of course they should have known, he's a wealthy, entitled New Yorker to the bone

But he didn't. He hasn't done anything he promised although despite that, his most vocal supporters cheered him on during the 'phony witch hunt' by Mueller. The 'fake news and lies' about his bribing the government of Ukraine to do his bidding. And just about every other egregious and un-presidential thing he's done over the past 3 years.

But there's a lot of republicans that have been in denial for years now because they're realizing that that Trump is not their champion, that things haven't gotten better for them. They're seeing that republicans in Congress don't have any interest in them at all, not in the least. They don't want to accept that they were wrong only because it harms their allegiance and it injures their pride. But there are 'real' republicans that can look at this without the rose-colored glasses on anymore and see that Trump isn't turning out to be the man they thought he would be.
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Soooo, I see a couple of points I'd like to ask you about. First of all, Trump promised an end to wars. Did he deliver?? Pretty much. He delivered on Iraq barring a few thousand and has all but withdrawn in Afghanistan. They were both HUGE financially drains and exhausting with regard to military morale. That's my opinion but I'd like yours.

Secondly, has the economy improved?? My opinion?? Yes. Your opinion?? Now I know that things tanked during Corona, but that's on the outs. I'd like your overall opinion of his administration's oversight if you care to say because you seem thoughtful. Thanks!!
 
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