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Police groups break with Biden

Paradoxical said:
The case of the cop kneeling on that black guys neck is an anomaly.
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Common Sense 1 said:
Police are NOT trained to shoot to kill.
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...yes they are.

Biden's suggestion is stupid because shooting for the leg is not something that really... works.
 
aociswundumho said:
No, by Republicans, not right wing folks. Your typical right winger sees unions for what they are - labor cartels which are sanctioned by the state. They are all bad, with no exceptions.
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It's really sad that so many of you have been convinced of this. The middle class was built with the power of unions, and destroying unions has contributed in no small part to the destruction of the middle class.
 
notquiteright said:
Ummm poor attempt at defining the continual murder of unarmed black men by predominantly white cops. It isn't a common occurrence but a simple Google will show you it is a steady drumbeat. That 4 cops thought they could do this AND not one of them tried to stop the slow murder of an unarmed black man. That they also thought their word about resisting that was blown apart by a citizen's video (where were their body cams?) That shows a systemic bias toward black men and a code of silence when Officers abuse their commission.

It is a deviation from what is expected, (the definition of anomaly) but that doesn't dismiss it as acceptable or to be ignored... :peace
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What say you about the fact that more white are killed by cops than blacks?
 
Bodecea said:
That makes this all better then? No problems here, folks.
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Just saying it is not always a racial issue. Cops ARE too rough We don't destroy America because of it. The unions are too strong. We need to fire people more easily. But, government workers are rarely fired.
 
aociswundumho said:
That would include virtually all economists: Or consider this article from the left wing Washington compost:
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Let's do the WAPO first- the OP-ED article that the free press allows (unlike many on the rabid right who frown on a free press) The author is James Sherk, a former researcher at the HERITAGE FOUNDATION. He is currently a 'special assistant' to The Don- more rabid right than left winger don't you think??? :confused:

The other citation is 'The Library of Economics and Liberty' a libertarian research center... :roll:

Not the most nonpartisan website (and your post about cartels is almost word for word found in their opening paragraph). The snippets used by the article are highly selective and extremely short- so why do a couple of pro-union economists think the Unions push wages above 'competitive'??? (by the articles overall position the economists should not be pro-union, perhaps, just maybe, there is benefit more to union membership than just wages) Oh, and competitive to whom?

Lastly the article dwells on information 30 years old when trashing unions. They spend a great deal of time back in the 20's and 30's. The below is only 18 years old... :roll:

Using data from the econlib the wage difference between the 'average' non union worker is under the poverty line if he has a family of 5 (29,350) while the 'average' union worker is just under the poverty line if he has 7 people in his house(37,000). That doesn't sound too great for either group.

No Sir, an OP-ED in the WAPO by a tRump special assistant doesn't mean the WAPO agrees with the article.

A libertarian research paper using highly truncated quotes from a whole two pro-union economists doesn't equate to all economists.

But you gave it a shot... :peace
 
Deuce said:
It's really sad that so many of you have been convinced of this. The middle class was built with the power of unions, and destroying unions has contributed in no small part to the destruction of the middle class.
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First, the US got rich because of capitalism and markets. The enormous wealth we created was in spite of unions, not because of them. Today the US is wealthier than ever, and union membership in the productive private sector is the lowest it's ever been.

Second, the original purpose of unions created by progressives was to keep newly freed blacks from competing with white workers.

Here is the black historian W.E.B. Du Bois writing during the Progressive movement in 1918:

W.E.B. Du Bois said:
I carry on the title page, for instance, of this magazine the Union label, and yet I know, and everyone of my Negro readers knows, that the very fact that this label is there is an advertisement that no Negro’s hand is engaged in the printing of this magazine, since the International Typographical Union systematically and deliberately excludes every Negro that it dares from membership, no matter what his qualifications.
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Paradoxical said:
What say you about the fact that more white are killed by cops than blacks?
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red herring... :roll:

Lets be truthful- 308 million whites, 47 million blacks. (2010 census)

Death by cop-
2017- 457 white, 223 black
2018- 399 white, 209 black
2019- 370 white, 235 black

Now if the races were equal to the number of whites the black death numbers would be 1449, 1358, 1527... :shock:

What say you about that fact... :peace
 
aociswundumho said:
First, the US got rich because of capitalism and markets. The enormous wealth we created was in spite of unions, not because of them. Today the US is wealthier than ever, and union membership in the productive private sector is the lowest it's ever been.

Second, the original purpose of unions created by progressives was to keep newly freed blacks from competing with white workers.

Here is the black historian W.E.B. Du Bois writing during the Progressive movement in 1918:
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Oh well if that one union excluded black people a hundred years ago, all unions are bad! :lamo
 
Deuce said:
Oh well if that one union excluded black people a hundred years ago, all unions are bad! :lamo
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Yes, unions are bad, but not because of their racist origins. What you missed is that they also excluded white people as well.

Again, unions are labor cartels. I'm not going to spend my time educating you, because unfortunately you have the same problem as this poor guy:

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Top Cat said:
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That's a white guy and it just proves the cops don't care about the color of one's skin. Thanks for being the thousands person to confirm what I say.

PS...that is his head and not his neck
 
notquiteright said:
red herring... :roll:

Lets be truthful- 308 million whites, 47 million blacks. (2010 census)

Death by cop-
2017- 457 white, 223 black
2018- 399 white, 209 black
2019- 370 white, 235 black

Now if the races were equal to the number of whites the black death numbers would be 1449, 1358, 1527... :shock:

What say you about that fact... :peace
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Please take into account the fact that black people commit far more crimes than white people.
 
Paradoxical said:
That's a white guy and it just proves the cops don't care about the color of one's skin. Thanks for being the thousands person to confirm what I say.

PS...that is his head and not his neck
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FFS you are delusional.
 
Paradoxical said:
Possibly. How about you be a cop and arrest someone.
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too old. but this has nothing to do with what we are discussing.
A lot of my friends are officers and if i asked them about this they would instantly say the cop was in the wrong.

He never should have been arrested. He didn't harm anyone and no crime was committed.
At worst they take the fake 20 bill from him.
 
ludin said:
too old. but this has nothing to do with what we are discussing.
A lot of my friends are officers and if i asked them about this they would instantly say the cop was in the wrong.

He never should have been arrested. He didn't harm anyone and no crime was committed.
At worst they take the fake 20 bill from him.
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Agreed. Now what? Burning down innocent peoples businesses?
 
notquiteright said:
You really should back that with facts... :roll:
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I bet if I googled it, I would get the answer on the very first page.

This rather common knowledge, but perhaps not to you because you are "notquiteright"
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I think that Joe "where am I?" Biden (and his handlers) have decided that inspiring (exciting or increasing?) black voter turnout is more important (will be numerically beneficial?) than any possible reduction in the police (public union?) vote.
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Why would police be upset that Biden wants to cull out the "bad apples"? I thought even Trump said that what happened to Floyd was wrong?
 
Paradoxical said:
I bet if I googled it, I would get the answer on the very first page. This rather common knowledge, but perhaps not to you because you are "notquiteright"
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I bet if you are very selective about where you get your information you can 'prove' all sides of the argument. But it's like using a libertarian's library and declaring is as 'most' economists are against Unions... :roll:

Oh I got the handle because of my head wound... :peace
 
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