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I Cannot Remain Silent Our fellow citizens are not the enemy, and must never become so.

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Admiral Mullen rips Trump a new one

Esper no doubt is as he stated Battle ready and willing to jump - Now how high he and the JCS jump, well who the **** knows

Mike Mullen: I Cannot Remain Silent - The Atlantic

It sickened me yesterday to see security personnel—including members of the National Guard—forcibly and violently clear a path through Lafayette Square to accommodate the president's visit outside St. John's Church. I have to date been reticent to speak out on issues surrounding President Trump's leadership, but we are at an inflection point, and the events of the past few weeks have made it impossible to remain silent.

Whatever Trump's goal in conducting his visit, he laid bare his disdain for the rights of peaceful protest in this country, gave succor to the leaders of other countries who take comfort in our domestic strife, and risked further politicizing the men and women of our armed forces.

Too many foreign and domestic policy choices have become militarized; too many military missions have become politicized.

This is not the time for stunts. This is the time for leadership..

Pentagon defends defense secretary'''s call to '''dominate the battle space''' in response to civil unrest - ABC News

"to dominate the battle space" so that civil unrest "dissipates and we can get back to the right normal.
 
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Admiral Mullen rips Trump a new one
Esper no doubt is as he stated Battle ready and willing to jump - Now how high he and the JCS jump, well who the **** knows
Mike Mullen: I Cannot Remain Silent - The Atlantic
Pentagon defends defense secretary'''s call to '''dominate the battle space''' in response to civil unrest - ABC News


From your second link:

"... Asked about Esper's use of the term "battle space," a senior defense official, who declined to be identified, told Pentagon reporters on Tuesday that the "DOD often communicates in a parlance unique to the profession of arms."

"He was using the terms that we have," the official said. "Nothing should be read into the use of that term to denote anything other than it's a common term to denote the area we are operating in."

Esper served 10 years in the U.S. Army on active duty and another 11 years in the National Guard and Army Reserve. ..."



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From your second link:

"... Asked about Esper's use of the term "battle space," a senior defense official, who declined to be identified, told Pentagon reporters on Tuesday that the "DOD often communicates in a parlance unique to the profession of arms."

"He was using the terms that we have," the official said. "Nothing should be read into the use of that term to denote anything other than it's a common term to denote the area we are operating in."

Esper served 10 years in the U.S. Army on active duty and another 11 years in the National Guard and Army Reserve. ..."



(yawn)

The point is that this battle space includes Americans on American soil. That we even hear a "parlance unique to the profession of arms" in relation to protesters is the issue.

Pure fascism. Fascist pigs.
 
The point is that this battle space includes Americans on American soil. That we even hear a "parlance unique to the profession of arms" in relation to protesters is the issue.
Pure fascism. Fascist pigs.


Oath of Allegiance: "... that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic ..."

I would consider Americans who riot and loot enemies of the United States of America.
 
Oath of Allegiance: "... that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic ..."

I would consider Americans who riot and loot enemies of the United States of America.

Law and order administered by civilians, not the military. That's the point. It's pretty basic. This isn't Mexico.
 
Oath of Allegiance: "... that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic ..."

I would consider Americans who riot and loot enemies of the United States of America.

That is part of the oath taken by enlisted. You will note that the oath taken by military officers is different. There is a distinct reason for that.
 
From your second link:

"... Asked about Esper's use of the term "battle space," a senior defense official, who declined to be identified, told Pentagon reporters on Tuesday that the "DOD often communicates in a parlance unique to the profession of arms."

"He was using the terms that we have," the official said. "Nothing should be read into the use of that term to denote anything other than it's a common term to denote the area we are operating in."

Esper served 10 years in the U.S. Army on active duty and another 11 years in the National Guard and Army Reserve. ..."



(yawn)

While talking to Governors States they must maintain the Battle Space.

Thing is Esper still thinks he is important. Just a bit part In Starship Troopers and the Governors know they are ****ed at the Federal level

Governors want Trump to STFU

Yep- that nails that closed
 
Oath of Allegiance: "... that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic ..."

I would consider Americans who riot and loot enemies of the United States of America.

Yes, but you and trump can't tell the difference between a Protestors and Rioters.
 
While talking to Governors States they must maintain the Battle Space.

Thing is Esper still thinks he is important. Just a bit part In Starship Troopers and the Governors know they are ****ed at the Federal level

Governors want Trump to STFU

Yep- that nails that closed

The Governor of Texas has stated he will Not be asking for Federal troops and that Texas will handle their own business. Maybe trump should push it and see how it works out.
 
The point is that this battle space includes Americans on American soil. That we even hear a "parlance unique to the profession of arms" in relation to protesters is the issue.

Pure fascism. Fascist pigs.
US was deeply divided prior to C19

C19 comes along, many who were run down economically and highest death rates, African Americans

Then they witness a murder where 4 Officers being filmed were complacent, accustomed to the take down, used to maintaining a man face down for extended periods when not a threat, with pressure applied and complicit in his murder

Then the CiC (Child in Chief) lights the fires with his President Law & Order Carny Show, General Barr lights up some protesters for some flash for the base.

Esper, JCS, Pentagon are now mixed into US politics
 
The Governor of Texas has stated he will Not be asking for Federal troops and that Texas will handle their own business. Maybe trump should push it and see how it works out.

He will leave it to the Generals and blame the Governors, same as C19

Thing is every time one said, nope, he ain't that stupid, what does he do?

Next time, nope, he ain't that stupid, what does he do?

Who knows WTF he will or will not do, what boundaries pressed, Presidential powers expanded?

But we are all part of the crazy.
 
Law and order administered by civilians, not the military. That's the point. It's pretty basic. This isn't Mexico.

Law and order administered by civilians???? WTF are you talking about? Clearly local municipalities are either unwilling or unable to stop the looting and the arson. That make it unsafe for everyone. Now, until the local authorities can regain order America citizen are entitled to go about their lives unhindered and if the national guard,is needed to do it its not only a choice but a requirement that they do it. I can't believe we really have to have this discussion about restoring law and order in the streets of America.
 
Oath of Allegiance: "... that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic ..." I would consider Americans who riot and loot enemies of the United States of America.

I swore that oath. I served in the Infantry. Such professional terms as 'battle space' 'dominate the AO' and such were mostly used by big little guys who wanted to sound tough and hardcore.

I never thought of rioters or even arsonists as 'enemies of the State' like some paranoids on the rabid right. Criminals for sure, but not the over enflamed bull crap some spew. I realize some hot heads paint all protesters as looters, terrorists, enemies of the State, but that is pretty ignorant of the oath and the criminal justice system... :peace
 
Law and order administered by civilians???? WTF are you talking about? Clearly local municipalities are either unwilling or unable to stop the looting and the arson. That make it unsafe for everyone. Now, until the local authorities can regain order America citizen are entitled to go about their lives unhindered and if the national guard,is needed to do it its not only a choice but a requirement that they do it. I can't believe we really have to have this discussion about restoring law and order in the streets of America.

Yes Law and Order administered by civilians, shouldn't be a strange concept to you... :roll:

American Citizens are entitled to go about their lives unhindered and without fear of said civilian law and order- that is EXACTLY what the protesters are demanding!!!! :doh

I realize white privilege is institutionalized, seems many others don't see it. Waking up those folks to this isn't going to be painless, and for some that awakening won't happen, but the strength of our system of governance is it doesn't demand everyone get on board (well once the current occupant of the Oval Office leaves) but rather a majority agrees. Perhaps finally true racial equality will be addressed.....

Perhaps.... :peace
 
Might be also useful to look at trump’s presidency throughthe analysis of an abuser, a lot of things become clear.
 
I swore that oath. I served in the Infantry. Such professional terms as 'battle space' 'dominate the AO' and such were mostly used by big little guys who wanted to sound tough and hardcore.

I never thought of rioters or even arsonists as 'enemies of the State' like some paranoids on the rabid right. Criminals for sure, but not the over enflamed bull crap some spew. I realize some hot heads paint all protesters as looters, terrorists, enemies of the State, but that is pretty ignorant of the oath and the criminal justice system... :peace

I kinda feel theres a rather ominous ring to enemy of the state. A distinction should be made between the state and the people even in governments that derive its powers from the people.
 
I kinda feel theres a rather ominous ring to enemy of the state. A distinction should be made between the state and the people even in governments that derive its powers from the people.

tRump invokes the enemies crap for everything from the free press to protesters. His rabble just parrots this and demands rioters, looters, and the blanket protesters should be shot... :roll:

My hope is his outrageous acts and speech will isolate him from the majority of free thinking Americans... :peace
 
Oath of Allegiance: "... that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic ..."

I would consider Americans who riot and loot enemies of the United States of America.


I would consider peaceful protestors true Americans and those who oppose them weapons bad Americans.
 
Yes Law and Order administered by civilians, shouldn't be a strange concept to you... :roll:

American Citizens are entitled to go about their lives unhindered and without fear of said civilian law and order- that is EXACTLY what the protesters are demanding!!!! :doh

I realize white privilege is institutionalized, seems many others don't see it. Waking up those folks to this isn't going to be painless, and for some that awakening won't happen, but the strength of our system of governance is it doesn't demand everyone get on board (well once the current occupant of the Oval Office leaves) but rather a majority agrees. Perhaps finally true racial equality will be addressed.....

Perhaps.... :peace

What "racial equality" are you seeking?
 
The point is that this battle space includes Americans on American soil. That we even hear a "parlance unique to the profession of arms" in relation to protesters is the issue.

Pure fascism. Fascist pigs.

You don't know what real "fascism" is.

Try reading a book.

I'm a history teacher. I can recommend some if you wish.
 
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