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Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

yup.



where are the Christians??

Well in all fairness, there are a lot of Christian groups marching against police brutality. Not that many of them are conservative, white, evangelical ones, but there are a lot of mainline protestants and liberal catholics out marching with them.
 
I got news for you: everyone cares for themselves. Does BLM involve itself when a police victim is white? No, they dont. Does Antifa involve themselves in a land dispute with the Feds? No, they dont. Thats the way the world is.

Their cause was supposed to be fighting government tyranny. There is no greater government tyranny and oppression than the police killing unarmed Americans.
 
Considering the police are outnumbered about 1000-1 by a bunch of violent ****heads spurred on by people like the leftists on this site who act like a bunch of yappy little mutts excitedly cheering them on, I'd say they have exercised REMARKABLE restraint so far.
 
Considering the police are outnumbered about 1000-1 by a bunch of violent ****heads spurred on by people like the leftists on this site who act like a bunch of yappy little mutts excitedly cheering them on, I'd say they have exercised REMARKABLE restraint so far.

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Considering the police are outnumbered about 1000-1 by a bunch of violent ****heads spurred on by people like the leftists on this site who act like a bunch of yappy little mutts excitedly cheering them on, I'd say they have exercised REMARKABLE restraint so far.

Yea they have. There is a couple of ways there can be a crackdown without the police or military being involved. I wonder if the insurance companies will bring in the PMC's if the damage claims keep racking up. PMC's will not have any restraint, at all.
 
What an awful job. Why would anybody want that job?? Being a police officer has got to be a lousy job. Anyway, as a recap, a black man is murdered by a white officer. The white officer is arrested and charged with murder. Protest continues. Why?? Not sure. Riots ensue. Why?? Not sure. And now it was because of white cops?? Really?? Hmmm. Makes me wonder if somebody in Beijing or Moscow is responsible for the information feed. What's next?? I know, We'll start getting transcripts of hacked e-mails of white police officers planning the ruin of inner city communities. Sure. That's next!!

If you had knowledge of race relations in this country, your questions would be answered.
 
I do not love nor do I hate the police. I consider myself neutral mostly on the subject of law enforcement. I recognize they fulfill a necessary function especially when dealing with gangs and violent criminals, and yet they possess powers which when abused can also be directed at innocent people. So in essence I see police as like 'a force of nature' and with nature there are many predictable patterns, as well as patterns you cannot predicts.

So all of that being said, why would anyone wish to poke a bear?
 
In America you have police forces in large urban areas. "Force" being the operative word far more than "police". Modern urban police in America are provided with all sorts of lethal and protective kit in order to allow fewer police to control larger populations more economically. Better communications, surveillance, transportation and weapons are all force-multipliers which allow fewer police to control larger populations more economically. But the downside of this economy is the nature of the control this kit-heavy approach creates. Using this model police forces have substituted the threat of brute force in order to control the population with the traditional model of mixing with the population they police and using their time, tongues and brains to police and to diffuse difficult situations with finesse. Results must come quickly and if they can't be wrapped up quickly, then force escalation follows rapidly. Now urban police have become far less a policing and community service for their own communities and far more a tool of force for the violent coersion and control of alienated communities they have little social contact with.

Police training has also changed for the worse. Now police are trained as if they were combat soldiers. They are trained to use violence far more readily and far more intensively. They are trained to react to dangerous situations violently rather than to control and deescalate dangerous situations using their street smarts and a minimum of violence in order to achieve their ends. They are trained to act quickly and forcefully, rather than gradually and wisely in too many situations. Special weapons and tactics teams are trained to kill suspects from afar quickly rather than relying on time and calm negotiation to deescalate dangerous situations gradually. As police like to say on the road, here we see a training regime where speed kills.

Police cultures can sometimes be very problematic regarding how police see and react to the communities they are supposed to be serving and protecting. The divide between police and civilians is growing wider as an insular police culture of us vs. them erodes police connections with the communities they serve. Police more and more interact with computers, other police and community leaders but less and less with the actual populations they are supposed to be policing. Follow-up and proactive visits and effective community policing are sorely lacking in many urban police departments in America today.

The result is that many police departments (and other law enforcement agencies too) have become highly efficient but also highly armed paramilitary forces which are effectively militarily occupying the communities under their charge rather than policing and serving them as public servants. This drives for economy and efficiency have made policing a rushed process because fewer police must manage larger communities more quickly. Training which drills in rapid, forceful responses to too many situations has made policing far more dangerous for those being policed and in reaction more criminals are willing to use force against police, making policing more dangerous for police too. Greater reliance on things like No-knock warrants and disproportional forced entries have made the chances for injuries and deaths of suspects more likely and have alienated many law-abiding citizens from trusting and respecting urban police forces and their officers.

Reliance on force (often overwhelming force), the imperative for speed of action, economy and efficiency of resource allocation, reactive and forceful training and a culture of separateness are what have morphed urban police into the over-powered and rage-presenting forces which are now too often filmed beating down the communities they police rather than serving them with finesse and time-consuming but thorough community policing.

It is very sad that things have come to this.

Cheers(?) and be well.
Evilroddy.

You pretty much described the transition from the peace officer ethos to the law enforcement ethos which are two completely different things. IT used to be that civilians were generally in charge of the elected sheriffs departments and the elected police departments. I know of no civilian department head currently. The unions have managed to have all 50 states right the laws such you have to have a law enforcement background to run for and or win those offices. They have become quite insular.
 
Our high schools around here require every graduate to do so many hours of community service throughout their time in high school in order to graduate. It could include cleaning up litter, assisting Parks & Recreation, volunteering at food pantries, shoveling driveways and sidewalks, raking leaves for the disabled and elderly, volunteering to help with children's programs etc. I think it is a program all schools should adopt.

Around where I live we call that being voluntold. It dont fly far. Volunteerism is just that. People keep trying to introduce it into the schools and it keeps getting shot down. People like volunteering on their own terms.
 
You pretty much described the transition from the peace officer ethos to the law enforcement ethos which are two completely different things. IT used to be that civilians were generally in charge of the elected sheriffs departments and the elected police departments. I know of no civilian department head currently. The unions have managed to have all 50 states right the laws such you have to have a law enforcement background to run for and or win those offices. They have become quite insular.

PirateMk1:

Yeah, depressing innit.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.
 
PirateMk1:

Yeah, depressing innit.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

Very. We are typically on opposite sides but on this we agree largely it seems.
 
Very. We are typically on opposite sides but on this we agree largely it seems.

PirateMk1:

Opposite sides are good. That way we can both learn from each others' POV and through civil debate and reasoned persuasion perhaps close the gap between us. Hope springs eternal.

Cheers and be well.
 
If you had knowledge of race relations in this country, your questions would be answered.

Oh I have knowledge of race relations in the U.S. But the rioting has spun so out of control that anybody claiming this is still about Floyd is -in my opinion - off the mark. In much the way the CIA has operated in the past to foment discord in socialist leaning countries, I think we have foreign actors doing their best to plunge us into anarchy. We've never really escaped the Cold War, just sort of changed the rhetoric when globalization became so popular with the oligarchy. All that cheap foreign labor made millionaires billionaires and essentially insulated that tiny percent to the needs of the population at large, but then, that's for a different discussion. Thanks!!
 
You have no idea if he is going to be convicted. If history is a judge, he has greater odds of not being convicted than of being convicted. The police unions have for years lobbied for laws that make it very difficult to convict a cop in situations like this.

I suppose we'll see.

I FEEL like the indicted crimes were chosen as a bit of an under reach to assure a certain conviction.
 
Did IQs just sharply drop in the room? I was responding to taco that this has been going on for years, and the image is proof. Please do try to keep up.

Sorry to have interrupted. Please, go on.
 
It's the simple fact that cops aren't held accountable for this **** unless there's lots of video and outcry.

Three cops not only let him kill that guy but helped hold him down and ran interference for him from bystanders so he could do it.

If it was a robbery they'd all be in jail charged with the murder already.

Yeah, and Judge Napolitano (a libertarian) said that Chavin needs to be charged with 1st degree murder (because it's clear he intended to kill Floyd), and the other three as accessories.
 
You know they wouldn't be shooting the criminal looters taking the opportunity the protests provide to do some crimeing.
(They haven't been able to crime much during the lockdowns, there's no unemployment for unemployed criminals, and they still have landlords to pay)

They be shooting the unarmed, not-crimeing protestors.

Much safer. Lots of the criminals are also likely armed.

And a few may be fellow travelers inciting violence.

You don't know what you're talking about.
 
Read the opening post. In the article are several videos of the police attacking unarmed, peaceful protesters. You can watch it on video.

What is wrong with you? If you are a racist that is ok with the status quo, then man up and admit it.

The "peaceful protesters" that you seem to be referencing were invading the personal space of the cops, in a way that seemed threatening in those cases where all were on foot.

Those peaceful protesters that were violating imposed and published curfews were violating curfews. The reason for the curfews is to keep those that are not criminals out of harms way.

The mobs surrounding the police vehicles and either pounding on the bodies or windows are threatening the occupants.

Peaceful is not threatening. Members of the various mobs in the various cities have committed violence, arson, theft and vandalism of various sorts.

People who choose to be a part of the mobs doing these things are justifiably seen to be a part of the mobs doing these things.
 
LOL you need to brush up on your photoshop skills...

It's real life, not photoshop. There are more on the photographers insta page. Gun cop mostly was facing outward, as the dad just stood watching, but the cop kept sweeping back every now and again. Not intimidating at all...
 
Multiple instances of the police on video killing unarmed minorities over the last few years, and often getting away with it, is "sketchy injustice". Again, if you are a racist, man up and admit it.

Of the occasions when police in our country kill people, "Whites" are their victims 40% to 49% of the time and "Blacks" are their victims 23% to 24% of the time.

Sources for these figures seem to disagree.

Do Police Kill More White People Than Black People?
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White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers.
African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population.
As The Post noted in a new analysis, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.

According to Fatal Encounters, the database created by former Reno News & Review editor and journalism instructor Burghart (which tracks all deaths resulting from interactions with police), a total of 1,388 people were killed by police in 2015,

318 (23%) of them black, and 560 (40%) of them white.

So roughly 23 percent of those killed by any police interaction in 2015 were black and just over 40 percent were white.

According to those statistics (adjusted for racial demographics), black people had a 2.7 higher likelihood of being killed by police than whites.
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The "peaceful protesters" that you seem to be referencing were invading the personal space of the cops, in a way that seemed threatening in those cases where all were on foot.

Those peaceful protesters that were violating imposed and published curfews were violating curfews. The reason for the curfews is to keep those that are not criminals out of harms way.

The mobs surrounding the police vehicles and either pounding on the bodies or windows are threatening the occupants.

Peaceful is not threatening. Members of the various mobs in the various cities have committed violence, arson, theft and vandalism of various sorts.

People who choose to be a part of the mobs doing these things are justifiably seen to be a part of the mobs doing these things.

How about the mob of cops who beat up one of their own cars and set it alight? Where do they sit in your worldview? Or the pushbike cop who pedalled up behind a pedestrian, ran into him and threw a headlock on him? It wasn't just in one place. All over there were cops displaying contempt for the public and the law with impunity.
 
Of the occasions when police in our country kill people, "Whites" are their victims 40% to 49% of the time and "Blacks" are their victims 23% to 24% of the time.

Blacks are 12% of the population. Whites are 61% of the population. If you are math-challenged, then that simply means that unarmed black people are killed by the police at disproportionate rates compared to white people.

Just the same, in case this hasn't occurred to you, if you fix police brutality for black people, you will also do so for white people.
 
What a stupid post. Its the future, who knows. You were the one saying he would be convicted. I just said that if history is any guide, he has a better chance of being acquitted than convicted.

I doubt that. You are free to dream, though.

He seems to have undercharged. The only reason for this that I can think of is that the DA doesn't want to get to court and get an acquittal due to not being able to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt First Degree.

Charging him with two 25 year crimes means life unless the guy is immortal.
 
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