• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

"Manipulative, deceitful, user": Tara Reade left a trail of aggrieved acquaintances

This asinine argument has been thoroughly smashed too many times, I'm really tired of going over this ground which has been covered a ton in recent history. Let's get something straight, Your argument is a lawyer trick, as if a memory of a traumatic event where the brain is preoccupied on pain in real time, is somehow not credible because the brain, totally consumed with a real and occurring trauma, is not going to give much priority on what are, essentially, clerical details. You can fool your flock, but that's about it.


No one is buying your spiel , it's faulty. You got fake president who doesn't have a clue on how to act like a president, everything about him is phony, and I doubt he's a real billionaire. This dumbass Trump sued Tim O'brien for defamation. What was the defamation? Tim Called Trump a millionaire instead of a billionaire. Trump's ego is so fragile he sues a guy over that? Are you kidding me? He's a pig, and you are defending him? Your credibility is zero.

The level of hyper moron doesn't stop there. He sued Bill Maher for $5 million bucks. It all started when Trump offered $5 million for Obama's college transcripts. Harping on that, Maher made a joke that he would donate $5 million to Trump's favorite hair club for douchebags if Trump could prove he's not the lovechild of a woman and an orangutan.

Trump didn't sue for defamation, he sued for breach of contract. To add insult to stupidity, Maher gets a letter from Trump's lawyer with Trump's birth certificate attached, which "proved" that his father was, indeed, a human, and therefore, Maher was in breach of contract, and owes Trump $5 million. Apparently the lawyer didn't get the memo in lawschool that a 'contract' made in jest, is not a valid contract, let alone the missing minor detail that a human female cannot possibly be impregnated by an ape. Funny thing, the Judge didn't take more than a millisecond to toss that one out the window. That's moron taking to it's most supreme height.


Nothing you have on Forde comes close to this

Sexual assault claim against Biden makes me skeptical: Ex-prosecutor

Any one who is voting for Trump has no credibility.

Well I was halfway expecting a legitimate conversation. Yet you kept pushing opinion, too much emotion and you actually attempted to alter reality at the start there. Seeing as Forde's story is the exact same reason why it failed and all of the times she was caught lying about her story, or even her wellbeing in that matter.


The fact that you were so desperate to be taken seriously, that you had to try and post it twice and didn't even attempt to improve what little of a point you could make. Because all you're doing is arguing from emotion and not fact.

Showing yourself to be the only one here with no integrity. You're free to keep running now.

Or as you put it, use your "lawyer trick" to give Biden all the passes you want. Because you're not affording anything close to a positive here.
 
That's not in this thread. This comes after months of having to read post after post of demands that people like Trump, Moore and Kavanaugh be held accountable.

Demands that shirked calls for due process, or ignored how baseless such accusations were.

This whole show with Biden, proves that they didn't really care for what's right, or wrong. Just that all they cared about, was that the guy they hated was the one in the crosshairs and nothing more.

That's the hypocrisy.
You can't show that it was all the same people and that they were all asking for what you claim, "to be held accountable" rather than an investigation being allowed. And there were plenty in those threads stating that certain accusations held no credibility due to various reasons. No two accusations are going to be the exact same under the same circumstances.

Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
 
I read it, which is why you were called out.

For when they do exactly what the democrats are doing now. Saying that when such times arrive, women should be taken seriously and the man should be held accountable. Then Bill get's accused and all of that hot air goes out the window.

Which means the left have been trampling on social liberties for some time now. Much less showing how making a big stink about morals and all of the same false morality that the democrats keep plucking out. Are nothing more than something used to sway public opinion in the easiest manner. Because everyone loves a sob story.

Everyone I spoke with during the latter half of the 2016 presidency. Be they left, middle, or right. Were willing to hear out all accusations that came at Trump, about literally every accusation that was thrown at him. Non of it could ever stick.
In Biden's case, he's getting the right to have a pass. Simply because he's running against Trump and this comes from peopled who actually believe Reade.
Opinion | I Believe Tara Reade. I’m Voting for Joe Biden Anyway. - The New York Times


Forde could not even remember the date, time, or location of her supposed assault. Not to mention the vast majority of the people who she said could corroborate her story, did not know of the even and one stated that they didn't even know she'd even met the man.

Forde jump onto the scene with a Go-fund-me account, along with other charity accounts and then skipped out, like a bandit.

Biden has eight such women against him and years of video evidence that shows him physically doing much of what has put everyone up in arms about him. While in Trump's case, comments that were dragged up from the depths of near nonexistence and taken so far out of context. That one could argue it's not even him talking at that point anymore.

His adultery? I don't really care, as it's something that he's settled with his former wives and even now. It's a long dead story that's being dragged back out and kicked all over again. Just because it get's clicks.


Yet when Reade has family, friends, neighbors and even co-workers who corroborate her story. All bets are off?



Claims that I've heard more times than I can count and have still, not ever been proven.
What do the republican's not stand for now?
Because right now I can tell you that the democrats barely stand for anything as it is. Not civil rights, liberties, personal property, the right to self defense..etc.
There is no evidence of Biden doing what Reade claims in regard to the sexual assault, which is the accusation being disputed. The rest are being basically believed and ignored because pretty much all of them stated (including Reade herself last year) that it wasn't sexual, it just made them uncomfortable.



Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
 
While she's also been able to supply corroborating information.

I'm at least willing to see where this goes. Just like with Trump, Kavanaugh and Moore.
Questionable evidence, mostly from those who have changed their own stories. The main physical evidence we have supports last years allegations far more than the current one, and really is only a hearsay thing, statements she made to others about what happened, and still without actually naming Biden in those two things (the phone call and the divorce statement). In fact her kothers phone call seems to indicate the mother was not told about any sexual assault nor even that Biden himself was harassing her, by using the statement about her daughter not going to the press out of respect for her boss, the Senator, Biden.

Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
 
Actually, it has never been 'smashed.' Those happen to be the facts of the case. Ford had zero evidence that the assault ever took place. Zero. NOne of the people she claimed sere there, including her best friend, backed her story. But you believed her anyway and dont believe the Biden accuser. Why? Pure partisan hackery. Period.

Do you believe Bidens accuser, who cannot provide where or when it happened, despite supposedly occurring in the Senate building during a weekday? She provides no location to verify, no date, not even time of day. Several people have refuted her claims as well, including everyone spoken to who worked in that office.

Ex Biden Staffers Talk Tara Reade With PBS: What We Learned

However, unlike Ford, Reade dramatically changed her story, lying to do so. Even her friend who claims she was told had to lie either now or then. Her brother changed his corroboration. Reades story is unlikely because of where she claims it happened, in a pretty busy section of the Senate with little to no privacy, given the entire plausible route taken of where Biden may have reasonably been found for a gym bag delivery. Reade has multiple people saying she lied or manipulated them for money and/or sympathy, including some gofundme pages of her own even before these accusations.

Scammer's Nightmare: Tara Reade: Legacy of Lies ( Part One Background)



Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
 
And you believed Ford, right?
I believed Ford was attacked at a party and that she believes it was Kavanaugh. She could be wrong and there is no evidence in favor of either.

Reade has plenty of evidence against her and has changed her story. I do not believe she believes Biden sexually assaulted her, but rather is lying for her own purposes (I don't think she is really being paid now, but may have plans to use these to her advantage).

Belief in anyone is not based on simple, easy things, and rarely is entirely supported by facts. It takes looking at the entire situation and what information we have about everyone involved and their claims.

Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
 
Did Blasey Ford's lawyer say it or not? LOL! Of course, you can't address that part of it.

All democrats can do is swoop in and slaughter the source.
Motivation to come forward with a claim does not mean the claim is itself false.

Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
 
While she's also been able to supply corroborating information.

I'm at least willing to see where this goes. Just like with Trump, Kavanaugh and Moore.

no, actually she hasn't. None of them heard her say anything about sexual assault. She claims she made a formal complaint about Biden to the Senate....strange thing is that complaint does not exist...so, she lied about that too...and as a victim's advocate, she KNEW that she needed to come forward years ago...she didn't....what is stranger, she has zero job and suddenly is writing a book.
 
Actually, it has never been 'smashed.' Those happen to be the facts of the case. Ford had zero evidence that the assault ever took place. Zero. NOne of the people she claimed sere there, including her best friend, backed her story. But you believed her anyway and dont believe the Biden accuser. Why? Pure partisan hackery. Period.

you know what makes Ford credible? She wasn't running around talking to media. She didn't want to come forward she was called to testify when she wasn't particularly wanting to tell her story. Also, Ford doesn't have a long line of lies, manipulation and thievery in her past, Reade stole from a damn charity...and that is low as you can go...of course your fake president's son also stole from a cancer charity, so I guess it is just all par for the course with your side.
 
You think you said "rabid right" enough? I mean there are better ways to seem more desperate, but not many at this point. I'm just pointing out how hypocritical posters like yourself are and the fact that you only believe Reade is the only one in Biden's life to make accusations against him. Just shows how much you're out of the loop on all of this. I don't really care for the desperation you're displaying either, if I'm to be honest. All you're saying is that "your guy is worse" so that means my guy gets to rape and molest anyone he wants. That's all you're doing at this point. Just showing how hollow your morals are, and just how much self-awareness that you lack. Now you're free to keep running away, screaming "rabid right" all into the night sky. You obviously don't possess anything of merit to actually offer in return.

Rabid right is much easier to type than say... hyper mindless right wing partisanship... ;)

Well, if you actually were being honest you'd have PROOF there are more women in Biden's life making such claims... we have PLENTY of proof tRump is an adulterer and enjoys watching teen girls undressed. Oh and on tape talking about being able to just walk up and grab a female by her *****... :roll:

If you were being honest you'd stop trying to move the goal posts trying to claim what I'm displaying... :doh

Your guy is worse, MUCH worse... you have ZERO proof Biden has anything like the trail of disgust tRump's slug trail...

'hyper mindless right wing partisans'- obviously don't possess anything of merit, any sort of self-awareness but do possess a well used hollow set of morals... :peace
 
Do you believe Bidens accuser, who cannot provide where or when it happened, despite supposedly occurring in the Senate building during a weekday? She provides no location to verify, no date, not even time of day. Several people have refuted her claims as well, including everyone spoken to who worked in that office.

Ex Biden Staffers Talk Tara Reade With PBS: What We Learned

However, unlike Ford, Reade dramatically changed her story, lying to do so. Even her friend who claims she was told had to lie either now or then. Her brother changed his corroboration. Reades story is unlikely because of where she claims it happened, in a pretty busy section of the Senate with little to no privacy, given the entire plausible route taken of where Biden may have reasonably been found for a gym bag delivery. Reade has multiple people saying she lied or manipulated them for money and/or sympathy, including some gofundme pages of her own even before these accusations.

Scammer's Nightmare: Tara Reade: Legacy of Lies ( Part One Background)



Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk


I found some more inconsistencies going through your link that haven't been pointed out

It was this beautiful time—this was before all the scandals, before the impeachment. This is when Bill Clinton first was president. I got to go to the inauguration. I got to go to the inaugural balls because I was working for Senator Biden. And it was this magical time in a sense. I walked the bridge of hope. I met Maya Angelou, which is one of the highlights of my life. And it was just amazing and wonderful. I was like a puppy, with enthusiasm. I was so happy to be there. I just went in with the attitude of doing everything I could to be a good employee. And I was very excited and honored to be there.

she worked for Biden in 1992 to 1993. Bill Clinton was not president until 1993, so at least part of when she was working there, Bush sr was president.I have to wonder if she went to the ball. I somehow do not believe that she did. I am almost certain she would have proof she did including pictures...that is an event you would take pictures of.

Also, she said she worked there in her mid 20s...no she did not. She was 29 when she worked for Joe Biden, not her mid 20s. 29 is not mid 20s by any stretch of the imagination...24 to 26 is.

Also, she says this

I would see him, on and off quite a bit, but wouldn’t necessarily talk with him. He was always breezing out, breezing in with his people that would stay around him, usually the upper level staff, and they usually kind of kept right with him. But once in a while I would see him and he would just do that thing that guys do, you know, when they look you up and down and then smile and stuff. It just was obnoxious.

so if staff was always around him, upper level staff, someone was always there when did this supposedly ocur? I believe her that staff was likely always around, because as a Senator you are being updated on everything.
o
Also, she states it was hot outside and the wall was cold? BS. I live in the very hot south...walls are hot as hell when it is hot outside. I have also lived just outside of DC and the summers are pretty damn hot and humid there as well. In fact, in Ocean City, Md I got the worst sunburn I have ever had in my life. I was on my senior trip(I don't know if those are still a thing, but in 1989 they were). My sunburn was so bad in fact that I collapsed when my mother was treating it and rushed to the hospital. The heat in summer is intense in DC especially with the concrete....nothing is cold in summertime, not the walls, not the concrete, nada.

she is also very likely lying abotu being asked to serve drinks

Former Biden staffers tell NewsHour that it’s very unlikely Reade would have been asked to serve drinks at a fundraiser. Not just because Biden was careful not to involve his Senate staff in campaign events, but because he was conscious about not putting young women in those roles. Per the report:
… two men who worked as junior staffers for Biden said the senator specifically did not want women to serve beverages, like coffee, or perform other menial tasks in his Senate office or on the committees he chaired. Men were typically asked to perform such tasks.


I had a boss that was fairly touchy, it is just who he was. He wasn't doing it in a sexual way, but as an endearing, you are like my daughter way and he was a hugger and a person who built you up. Some people do not like being touched, but being from the South I am not annoyed by people who want a hug or touch your hair or cheek. I also am Hispanic and in our culture we actually kiss the cheek of someone we know fairly well.
 
Last edited:
Rabid right is much easier to type than say... hyper mindless right wing partisanship... ;)

Well, if you actually were being honest you'd have PROOF there are more women in Biden's life making such claims... we have PLENTY of proof tRump is an adulterer and enjoys watching teen girls undressed. Oh and on tape talking about being able to just walk up and grab a female by her *****... :roll:

If you were being honest you'd stop trying to move the goal posts trying to claim what I'm displaying... :doh

Your guy is worse, MUCH worse... you have ZERO proof Biden has anything like the trail of disgust tRump's slug trail...

'hyper mindless right wing partisans'- obviously don't possess anything of merit, any sort of self-awareness but do possess a well used hollow set of morals... :peace

you forgot the allegation against Trump by Katie Johnson who says that Trump raped her in 1994 at Jeffery Epstein's apartment. We know that Trump and Epstein were good friends and partied together from around 1992 until 2002. Johnson was 13 in 1994. So she would have became an 18 year old in 1999.
 
You can't show that it was all the same people and that they were all asking for what you claim, "to be held accountable" rather than an investigation being allowed. And there were plenty in those threads stating that certain accusations held no credibility due to various reasons. No two accusations are going to be the exact same under the same circumstances.

Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk

No, my point still stands. That when it was Kavanaugh, or even Moore who was in the hot seat. That people in the anit-trump camp did nothing but make a huge stink over how women should be believed and imagining that due process wasn't even a thing.

Now that it's Biden who's being hit by such accusations. They've disregarded their own rules.

It's nothing more than that.
 
There is no evidence of Biden doing what Reade claims in regard to the sexual assault, which is the accusation being disputed. The rest are being basically believed and ignored because pretty much all of them stated (including Reade herself last year) that it wasn't sexual, it just made them uncomfortable.



Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk

So that's another vote for letting Biden has his pass, I take it.

Because I've seen nothing to deny that something didn't actually happen and this is the first time I've heard of Reade saying as such.
 
Questionable evidence, mostly from those who have changed their own stories. The main physical evidence we have supports last years allegations far more than the current one, and really is only a hearsay thing, statements she made to others about what happened, and still without actually naming Biden in those two things (the phone call and the divorce statement). In fact her kothers phone call seems to indicate the mother was not told about any sexual assault nor even that Biden himself was harassing her, by using the statement about her daughter not going to the press out of respect for her boss, the Senator, Biden.

Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk

Seems to indicate?
 
no, actually she hasn't. None of them heard her say anything about sexual assault. She claims she made a formal complaint about Biden to the Senate....strange thing is that complaint does not exist...so, she lied about that too...and as a victim's advocate, she KNEW that she needed to come forward years ago...she didn't....what is stranger, she has zero job and suddenly is writing a book.

So this is suspicious now, but not when Forde just steps out of the blue and has several gofundme pages pop up to take in money for her?

Good to see what you're really focusing on.
 
Rabid right is much easier to type than say... hyper mindless right wing partisanship... ;)

Well, if you actually were being honest you'd have PROOF there are more women in Biden's life making such claims... we have PLENTY of proof tRump is an adulterer and enjoys watching teen girls undressed. Oh and on tape talking about being able to just walk up and grab a female by her *****... :roll:

If you were being honest you'd stop trying to move the goal posts trying to claim what I'm displaying... :doh

Your guy is worse, MUCH worse... you have ZERO proof Biden has anything like the trail of disgust tRump's slug trail...

'hyper mindless right wing partisans'- obviously don't possess anything of merit, any sort of self-awareness but do possess a well used hollow set of morals... :peace

^^All this hot air blown, while forgetting we literally have years of Biden on camera nearly copping a feel, or doing something else questionable to any woman who's unfortunate enough to be on stage with him.

This is why playing with the left, is so damn easy and so damn fun.
 
Seems to indicate?
As noted previously, she was anonymously calling a show and yet claimed only problems, not even mentioning sexual harassment which was an upcoming issue for the Senate at that time. She also stated her daughter could only go to the press, yet for a sexual assault, she could have gone to the police or the Senate itself. And she, a mother, claimed her daughter respected the Senator. Even if that's what her daughter told her that was the reason, I cannot see a mother actually saying her daughter respected the man whom she was told sexually assaulted her daughter. At the very least it would have been stated sarcastically or with anger, but much more likely the word fear would have been used.

Sexual assault claim against Biden makes me skeptical: Ex-prosecutor

Nothing about that call indicates the mother was told Biden sexually assaulted, digitally raped her daughter. It sounds much more like she was told the daughter was being harassed by someone other than the Senator at the job.

Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
 
So this is suspicious now, but not when Forde just steps out of the blue and has several gofundme pages pop up to take in money for her?

Good to see what you're really focusing on.

were those gofundme's established by Ford herself?
Tara has a string of gofundme accts established and all by her and before this incident as well. She belongs in prison for embezzeling funds from a charity....that is something I definately think should have happened. She needs to thank her lucky stars her ex boss didn't persue those charges against her and simply fired her instead.
 
As noted previously, she was anonymously calling a show and yet claimed only problems, not even mentioning sexual harassment which was an upcoming issue for the Senate at that time. She also stated her daughter could only go to the press, yet for a sexual assault, she could have gone to the police or the Senate itself. And she, a mother, claimed her daughter respected the Senator. Even if that's what her daughter told her that was the reason, I cannot see a mother actually saying her daughter respected the man whom she was told sexually assaulted her daughter. At the very least it would have been stated sarcastically or with anger, but much more likely the word fear would have been used.

Sexual assault claim against Biden makes me skeptical: Ex-prosecutor

Nothing about that call indicates the mother was told Biden sexually assaulted, digitally raped her daughter. It sounds much more like she was told the daughter was being harassed by someone other than the Senator at the job.

Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk

Nothing about the call says that she wasn't told either.
Yet this is also taken during the time when such happenings were notorious for going unaccounted and uncared for.

I'm not saying throw Biden in jail, just because she says "he did something to me". I've always been of the opinion, that if it can be proven in the court of law and that evidence can be presented in doing so. That someone should be held accountable for their actions. That is all I and anyone on the moderate, to the right side of the argument have always wanted.

This whole argument started because the left leaning majority wanted to completely burn away the careers of peopled like Kavanaugh and Moore, for far less than is being presented here against Biden. But now that it's Biden who's being accused, they've switched their tune and dropped all pretense of upholding this standard that they've supported for almost a decade now. Nothing more.

I don't like the idea of 30+ year old claims being pulled out of the woodwork anymore than you do and it's especially skeptical for such things to come out, when someone is directly running for some public office. Especially when the accusers been quiet for all this time.

Forde and Reade are in the same boat as far as I'm concerned.

But this doesn't mean that I can't jab the left in it's collective ribs a few times for good measure.
 
Rabid right is much easier to type than say... hyper mindless right wing partisanship... ;)

Well, if you actually were being honest you'd have PROOF there are more women in Biden's life making such claims... we have PLENTY of proof tRump is an adulterer and enjoys watching teen girls undressed. Oh and on tape talking about being able to just walk up and grab a female by her *****... :roll:

If you were being honest you'd stop trying to move the goal posts trying to claim what I'm displaying... :doh

Your guy is worse, MUCH worse... you have ZERO proof Biden has anything like the trail of disgust tRump's slug trail...

'hyper mindless right wing partisans'- obviously don't possess anything of merit, any sort of self-awareness but do possess a well used hollow set of morals... :peace

Which is why I call a vast majority of anti-Trumper posters, Epstein loyalist.

You're fee to keep running. Playing by your rules was idiotic enough.
 
But remember: we're totally hypocrites if we do not believe her and then help Trump by not voting Biden.

im curious by how that helps trump, precisely. You didn't vote for trump.
 
Nothing about the call says that she wasn't told either.
Yet this is also taken during the time when such happenings were notorious for going unaccounted and uncared for.

I'm not saying throw Biden in jail, just because she says "he did something to me". I've always been of the opinion, that if it can be proven in the court of law and that evidence can be presented in doing so. That someone should be held accountable for their actions. That is all I and anyone on the moderate, to the right side of the argument have always wanted.

This whole argument started because the left leaning majority wanted to completely burn away the careers of peopled like Kavanaugh and Moore, for far less than is being presented here against Biden. But now that it's Biden who's being accused, they've switched their tune and dropped all pretense of upholding this standard that they've supported for almost a decade now. Nothing more.

I don't like the idea of 30+ year old claims being pulled out of the woodwork anymore than you do and it's especially skeptical for such things to come out, when someone is directly running for some public office. Especially when the accusers been quiet for all this time.

Forde and Reade are in the same boat as far as I'm concerned.

But this doesn't mean that I can't jab the left in it's collective ribs a few times for good measure.
The call does not support her narrative. It would in fact be a reason for a prosecutor in such a case to drop it or the defense to tear the case apart in a trial.

Sexual assault claim against Biden makes me skeptical: Ex-prosecutor

And, according to Reade, her mother tried to convince her to go to the police, to report it. So if what Reade said was the truth, it means her mother lied in saying her daughter could only go to the press. More likely, the daughter is lying.

Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
 
The call does not support her narrative. It would in fact be a reason for a prosecutor in such a case to drop it or the defense to tear the case apart in a trial.

Sexual assault claim against Biden makes me skeptical: Ex-prosecutor

And, according to Reade, her mother tried to convince her to go to the police, to report it. So if what Reade said was the truth, it means her mother lied in saying her daughter could only go to the press. More likely, the daughter is lying.

Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk

Possibly so, but that doesn't stop me from stop me from shaking my head at the leftist who're just doing all that they can, to throw that woman under the bus, or even grind out her voice.

As pointed out, it's hypocrisy in it's own right.
 
Back
Top Bottom