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Biden: "I wouldn't vote for me if I believed Tara Reade"

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roguenuke said:
Not unless they define it that way, they accuse him of it. Just like the kisser in Canada. They have to actually press charges.

But those things don't fit the same as sexual assault accusations. No psychologist would state the other accusations are a pattern for the isolated sexual assault, digital rape accusation. There are huge differences.

Since the choices will be between a touchy feely Biden with "he made me uncomfortable" accusations (only really about 7, including Reades 1st, since the last was not made by the person or their family), and a single highly uncredible rape accusation or narcissistic, incompetent Trump with "grab them by the *****", "he walked in on girls, some teens, half dressed", and multiple other worse accusations, from about 25 accusers. It is not a hard choice to make. The one who has said he will work on doing better rather than the known liar who never admits when he is wrong, does not show remorse for anything.

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Youre just nitpicking and excusing Biden's actions before engaging in whattaboutism. Making a bunch of women uncomfortable by your actions is an obvious warning sign, a clear message that there is something wrong with how you treat others. Biden may only have assaulted one, but the fact that he made other women very uncomfortable is an indication of what he is capable of. But of course, you dont seem to care since you love Biden no matter what. Well, thats you.
 
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PoS said:
Youre just nitpicking and excusing Biden's actions before engaging in whattaboutism. Making a bunch of women uncomfortable by your actions is an obvious warning sign, a clear message that there is something wrong with how you treat others. Biden may only have assaulted one, but the fact that he made other women very uncomfortable is an indication of what he is capable of. But of course, you dont seem to care since you love Biden no matter what. Well, thats you.
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Prove that Biden assaulted her. Otherwise you are guilty of slander.

You wouldn't care anyway. You love Trump no matter what, which is what causes you to come on here daily and continue to slander his opponent.
 
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PoS said:
Youre just nitpicking and excusing Biden's actions before engaging in whattaboutism. Making a bunch of women uncomfortable by your actions is an obvious warning sign, a clear message that there is something wrong with how you treat others. Biden may only have assaulted one, but the fact that he made other women very uncomfortable is an indication of what he is capable of. But of course, you dont seem to care since you love Biden no matter what. Well, thats you.
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No, making people feel uncomfortable when that same behavior was seen as comforting by many others is not any sort of evidence of a pattern for likely sexual abuse, of taking it further. That is your bias.

And Trump may have assaulted 3-5 or more. There is no real evidence for pretty much any of the accusations (except maybe one of Trumps). Fact is, Bidens single sexual assault accuser has credibility that crumbles more and more each day.

And I don't love Biden. I wanted a younger candidate. I'm willing to vote for Biden because the alternative is exponentially worse.

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roguenuke said:
You continue to group everyone into identity politics, making it out as if everyone who identifies as any sort of Party or philosophy must adhere to whatever any member of their group says or group of members say. That isnt true and not reality.

It is about you trying to push your view of identity politics onto everyone.

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I'm not grouping anyone. My statement was purely about the democrats themselves, Pelosi, Biden, all of them that sought to have the standard of believing all women pushed and disregarding the need for due process, as though it didn't exist.

While on this site, I have seen others who did just as much the same as them. They made all of these claims that Kavanaguh & Moore should be punished for things that they "did" and did not care for how flimsy Forde's accusations became with time. Something that I can just as easily see happening with Reade's. Yet my stance is the same, as it was before. Let all of the information come forward and let judgement be made if they seem so intent on keeping up with this standard.

I make you push for arguing identity politics, because I know full well where I sit on the topic and my stance has not changed. That is only your opinion on the matter.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Prove that Biden assaulted her. Otherwise you are guilty of slander.

You wouldn't care anyway. You love Trump no matter what, which is what causes you to come on here daily and continue to slander his opponent.
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Im not a cop or a lawyer, so how do I expect me to prove that?

And FYI, Im for investigating all allegations, including Trump's, so your silly partisan strawman BS wont work on me.

roguenuke said:
No, making people feel uncomfortable when that same behavior was seen as comforting by many others is not any sort of evidence of a pattern for likely sexual abuse, of taking it further. That is your bias.
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Bias? So youre okay with that kind of behavior then? Wow.

And I don't love Biden. I wanted a younger candidate. I'm willing to vote for Biden because the alternative is exponentially worse.
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It's not a two way street you know. You can always vote 3rd party.
 
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PoS said:
Im not a cop or a lawyer, so how do I expect me to prove that?

And FYI, Im for investigating all allegations, including Trump's, so your silly partisan strawman BS wont work on me.



Bias? So youre okay with that kind of behavior then? Wow.


It's not a two way street you know. You can always vote 3rd party.
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I am voting for Biden because I don't want Trump in office. I am smart enough to know that Biden has the best chance of getting Trump out of office.

What he did was minor. He apologized. You seem fine with anything Trump did or are you going to hold that against him when you vote?

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Oborosen said:
I'm not grouping anyone. My statement was purely about the democrats themselves, Pelosi, Biden, all of them that sought to have the standard of believing all women pushed and disregarding the need for due process, as though it didn't exist.

While on this site, I have seen others who did just as much the same as them. They made all of these claims that Kavanaguh & Moore should be punished for things that they "did" and did not care for how flimsy Forde's accusations became with time. Something that I can just as easily see happening with Reade's. Yet my stance is the same, as it was before. Let all of the information come forward and let judgement be made if they seem so intent on keeping up with this standard.

I make you push for arguing identity politics, because I know full well where I sit on the topic and my stance has not changed. That is only your opinion on the matter.
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You are accusing others under identity politics. You are walking back what you wrote before, only getting specific here. But then you fail to call the other side out.

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Re: Biden: "I wouldn't vote for me if I believed Tara Reade"

PoS said:
Im not a cop or a lawyer, so how do I expect me to prove that?

And FYI, Im for investigating all allegations, including Trump's, so your silly partisan strawman BS wont work on me.



Bias? So youre okay with that kind of behavior then? Wow.


It's not a two way street you know. You can always vote 3rd party.
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So you have no proof that her story, the one that changed every year since 1993, is true, but you're on here saying Biden assaulted her.

So you're on here attacking Trump's opponent all the time to make the unnamed, unknown third party candidate win. Got it.
 
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Case anyone missed it, more information to make your decision has surfaced.
Her lawyer has even dropped her. Even if she was telling the truth on this one, she should have known these things would surface and kill her credibility.

"Last week, the school where she testified to completing a bachelor’s degree, Antioch University in Seattle, confirmed to POLITICO that Reade attended for only three academic quarters and did not graduate. The university also denied Reade’s assertion she had a special arrangement with a former chancellor to credit her with an undergraduate degree under a different name.

Seattle University Law School confirmed that Reade, under the name Alexandra McCabe, did graduate from law school. But officials wouldn’t comment on whether she had a valid undergraduate degree, which is required under the law school’s current admission standards.

According to her testimony in two felony cases reviewed by POLITICO, including the Vasquez-Ramirez case, Reade stated she earned an undergraduate degree at Antioch University.

She also testified on the witness stand in December 2018 that “I have not taken the bar exam.” That answer came in response to a question asking whether she was a licensed attorney in the state of California, according to an official court transcript of the proceeding.

However, an archived 2012 account from her personal blog, which was taken down from the Internet, alludes to two prior attempts: “taking the California bar exam a third time ... hoping I can charm it and pass!”

Reade’s attorney, Douglas Wigdor, announced Friday he was no longer representing her. Reade could not immediately be reached for comment." Wonder why.

Starting to remind me of the Senior Trump Admin. State Dept. Official that lied about Harvard graduation and a Time magazine cover and several other accomplishments, before stepping down.
 
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roguenuke said:
You are accusing others under identity politics. You are walking back what you wrote before, only getting specific here. But then you fail to call the other side out.

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Then enlighten me, what's this "other side" that I'm forgetting?

Because I don't recall anyone else being so against due process, or just blankly believing women no matter what. As much as the democrats have been this entire time.
 
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Oborosen said:
Then enlighten me, what's this "other side" that I'm forgetting?

Because I don't recall anyone else being so against due process, or just blankly believing women no matter what. As much as the democrats have been this entire time.
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Except that is what is going on right now. Some Trump supporters are calling Biden a rapist, claiming all sorts of things about him unproven. Even in threads like this one, you can find examples of people calling Biden a rapist. That would be not giving him due process.

Biden is saying it should be investigated, while still denying the accusation. Reade his accuser is calling for him to drop out, not really for any legitimate investigation into her accusation since eveb she said she never told anyone in the office about the assault. So there would be no evidence in his records about the assault. Asking for access to his records outside a legal order that would still keep them private, would be about digging up dirt, anything they could or prolonging the show, not any sort of real investigation. She has legal means to open those records in the same manner Cohens were gone through, but she is not doing it.

And while plenty on the left are saying her story is full of holes, a lot are saying there is still a chance it could be true. That chance though is very small. In the end, in a he said/she said, it comes down to credibility and belief, whether in public or in court.

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tres borrachos said:
So you have no proof that her story, the one that changed every year since 1993, is true, but you're on here saying Biden assaulted her.
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I said that it needs to be investigated, try to brush up on your reading skills, ma'am.

So you're on here attacking Trump's opponent all the time to make the unnamed, unknown third party candidate win. Got it.
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At least Im not a hypocrite with double standards. It disgusts me that people will put aside their ethics and vote for an evil man just to get rid of another evil man.

roguenuke said:
I am voting for Biden because I don't want Trump in office. I am smart enough to know that Biden has the best chance of getting Trump out of office.

What he did was minor. He apologized. You seem fine with anything Trump did or are you going to hold that against him when you vote?
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Minor? All these allegations are minor to you? So youre looking to vote for a dirty old man who cant keep himself from treating women inappropriately just so you can get rid of another man who is the same? That's hypocrisy, pure and simple.
 
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PoS said:
I said that it needs to be investigated, try to brush up on your reading skills, ma'am.



At least Im not a hypocrite with double standards. It disgusts me that people will put aside their ethics and vote for an evil man just to get rid of another evil man.


Minor? All these allegations are minor to you? So youre looking to vote for a dirty old man who cant keep himself from treating women inappropriately just so you can get rid of another man who is the same? That's hypocrisy, pure and simple.
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So again, you have no evidence that Biden committed an assault. You just keep coming on here and slandering him so Trump wins.
 
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PoS said:
I said that it needs to be investigated, try to brush up on your reading skills, ma'am.



At least Im not a hypocrite with double standards. It disgusts me that people will put aside their ethics and vote for an evil man just to get rid of another evil man.


Minor? All these allegations are minor to you? So youre looking to vote for a dirty old man who cant keep himself from treating women inappropriately just so you can get rid of another man who is the same? That's hypocrisy, pure and simple.
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Yes, those are minor. They are barely blips, and I have never held anyone to that standard that getting into personal space when others do not tell you it makes them uncomfortable is an issue. Trump is not the same. His accusations are more numerous and of worse nature, but his behavior towards those accusations are far worse. But even more concerning is his attitude towards everyone else.

Are you planning on voting for Trump? Did you vote for him? I have no issue voting for a guy who is accused of making some few people feel uncomfortable, and who has said he will work on addressing that behavior, to get rid of a guy who is actually doing harm in this country to our rights and to the republic because of his ego and policies. I'm an adult and recognize the issues we truly face.
 
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tres borrachos said:
So again, you have no evidence that Biden committed an assault. You just keep coming on here and slandering him so Trump wins.
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Trump's minions don't need any proof. If it's a Democrat, he's guilty of everything evil. Trump even has his idiot son calling Biden a rapist...which IMO Biden should sue him for slander.
 
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tres borrachos said:
So again, you have no evidence that Biden committed an assault. You just keep coming on here and slandering him so Trump wins.
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Strawman galore! Why do you have to lie in order to get a reply in? I have slandered no one, I merely said that it ought to be investigated. Do you have any more lies beneath your dress?

roguenuke said:
Yes, those are minor. They are barely blips, and I have never held anyone to that standard that getting into personal space when others do not tell you it makes them uncomfortable is an issue.
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Well, thats you I guess. If youre willing to overlook that, I shudder to think at what else you'll tolerate.
 
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PoS said:
Strawman galore! Why do you have to lie in order to get a reply in? I have slandered no one, I merely said that it ought to be investigated. Do you have any more lies beneath your dress?



Well, thats you I guess. If youre willing to overlook that, I shudder to think at what else you'll tolerate.
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So again you won't actually address what is being said, but rather just try to play the moral high horse card. And minimalizing is different than ignoring. Nothing he is being accused of doing (except for the sexual assault/digital rape, which is very different and losing credibility) could be legitimately considered a crime, I'm not sure any would even be able to press charges if they wanted to. Some may be able to sue, but even that is unlikely to truly pass muster given the nature of the incidents.

You on the other hand keep trying to redirect and avoid.

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PoS said:
Strawman galore! Why do you have to lie in order to get a reply in? I have slandered no one, I merely said that it ought to be investigated. Do you have any more lies beneath your dress?



Well, thats you I guess. If youre willing to overlook that, I shudder to think at what else you'll tolerate.
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You've been on here accusing Biden of sexual assault. Repeatedly. Why do YOU ie?
 
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Puigb said:
Trump's minions don't need any proof. If it's a Democrat, he's guilty of everything evil. Trump even has his idiot son calling Biden a rapist...which IMO Biden should sue him for slander.
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Idiot son? That doesn't narrow it down. He has two idiot sons.

Biden should sue him. Just like Joe Scarborough should sue Trump for slander.
 
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roguenuke said:
Except that is what is going on right now. Some Trump supporters are calling Biden a rapist, claiming all sorts of things about him unproven. Even in threads like this one, you can find examples of people calling Biden a rapist. That would be not giving him due process.

Biden is saying it should be investigated, while still denying the accusation. Reade his accuser is calling for him to drop out, not really for any legitimate investigation into her accusation since eveb she said she never told anyone in the office about the assault. So there would be no evidence in his records about the assault. Asking for access to his records outside a legal order that would still keep them private, would be about digging up dirt, anything they could or prolonging the show, not any sort of real investigation. She has legal means to open those records in the same manner Cohens were gone through, but she is not doing it.

And while plenty on the left are saying her story is full of holes, a lot are saying there is still a chance it could be true. That chance though is very small. In the end, in a he said/she said, it comes down to credibility and belief, whether in public or in court.

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Those who are calling as such here, at least those that I've seen. Have stated much the same that I've done.
I'm only standing by such calls that he be treated as such, because it was what the democrats have been doing almost this entire time and no other reasons.

Honestly, I would rather that she not even come forward unless she had hard evidence.
I don't like the idea that someone could just turn up with a story 30+ years out of time and make all of this fuss, turning the accused's world upside down in the process.

Now that the shoe is on the other foot, many are seeing it as a divine opportunity to hold them to this same standard and yes, some have taken a deeper dive than I would suggest at. It has produced a certain degree of schadenfreude, none the less.
 
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Oborosen said:
Those who are calling as such here, at least those that I've seen. Have stated much the same that I've done.
I'm only standing by such calls that he be treated as such, because it was what the democrats have been doing almost this entire time and no other reasons.

Honestly, I would rather that she not even come forward unless she had hard evidence.
I don't like the idea that someone could just turn up with a story 30+ years out of time and make all of this fuss, turning the accused's world upside down in the process.

Now that the shoe is on the other foot, many are seeing it as a divine opportunity to hold them to this same standard and yes, some have taken a deeper dive than I would suggest at. It has produced a certain degree of schadenfreude, none the less.
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It seems like your saying then that they are really just being spiteful, don't believe her at all, but are using it for political points.

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tres borrachos said:
Idiot son? That doesn't narrow it down. He has two idiot sons.

Biden should sue him. Just like Joe Scarborough should sue Trump for slander.
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Honestly, Barron and Tiffany seem to be the only normal ones in that loser family, probably because they are the two kids Trump doesn't give a damn about.
 
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Puigb said:
Honestly, Barron and Tiffany seem to be the only normal ones in that loser family, probably because they are the two kids Trump doesn't give a damn about.
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Yup. His "beautiful beauty" last year let it slip about how he can't stand to be photographed near Tiffany because he thinks she is unattractive. Such family values!

Barron who? You never see Trump anywhere near him except a photo op. Ever see him playing baseball with him? Tossing a football around? Just enjoying a father/son moment? No. He has the same disdain for Barron that he did for the others until they were old enough to go into the family business and make him money.

Except Ivanka. He was always fond of her. And not in a normal way.
 
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