Trump doesn't care about the economy - he wants to fake it until November

marke said:

Maybe Trump does not care about the economy but Pelosi and the democrat mob are sure making hay with the pandemic. They just authorized trillions of dollars to be spent on cash dispersements to democrats and liberals like illegal aliens, given each of them thousands in cash as well as guaranteeing them amnesty. They have approved billions to be put into the educational system for the benefit of high paid democrat college administrators and leftist teachers. They are setting prisoners free and jailing businesspeoploe who do not obey their coronavirus edicts. They have earmarked billions to be paid to leftist lobbyists in DC, and that is just the beginning.

Like Rahm Emanuel once said, 'Never let a good crisis go to waste,' only what the democrats are doing is using the crisis to fund massive amounts of democrat fraud and waste.

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So the Republican Senate didn't have to vote on this also? and didn't a Republican President have to sign it?
I guess not it is all the Dems fault
and didn't you have to file a income tax return or get some sort of SS to get these payments
Just asking
Have a nice night

Bullseye said:

one of your weakest responses ever. He's reduced thousands. I haven't memorized them. Believe it or not.

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You haven't memorized any of them. You can't even name one. Not even with a quick google?

Basically, you have never actually evaluated even one of these regulations. What if it was a good regulation? Don't pretend that you ever actually looked up the text of even one of those regulations. You didn't. You just took his word that all of this was a good thing. You need to be more skeptical of your government's actions.

Actually, it's more like thousands of the economist class.

This is obvious way about your level.

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Said with similar authority as to your expertise of regulations.

Deuce said:

You haven't memorized any of them. You can't even name one. Not even with a quick google?

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So google it yourself.

Deuce said:

Basically, you have never actually evaluated even one of these regulations. What if it was a good regulation? Don't pretend that you ever actually looked up the text of even one of those regulations. You didn't. You just took his word that all of this was a good thing. You need to be more skeptical of your government's actions.


Said with similar authority as to your expertise of regulations.

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You're just showing your deficiency.

Bullseye said:

So google it yourself.


You're just showing your deficiency.

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No, you're proving the point I'm making: you don't actually know squat about these regulations Trump is supposedly helping you by eliminating.

Deuce said:

You haven't memorized any of them. You can't even name one. Not even with a quick google?

Basically, you have never actually evaluated even one of these regulations. What if it was a good regulation? Don't pretend that you ever actually looked up the text of even one of those regulations. You didn't. You just took his word that all of this was a good thing. You need to be more skeptical of your government's actions.


Said with similar authority as to your expertise of regulations.

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Deuce, why are you being so obstinate on this?
YOu know Trump has rolled back at least 100 onerous business regulations.
Do we need to discuss the efficacy of each of them before you know it has spurred business activity considerably?

You can see them for your self here:
Tracking deregulation in the Trump era

here are a few examples:



Mercury and Air Toxic Standards: Revised Cost-Benefit Analysis
Environmental
Children, Youth, and Families
EPA
In Effect
4/28/2020



A rule revising the statutory authority of Mercury and Air Toxic Standards.


Temporary Suspension of EPA Enforcement
Environmental
COVID-19
EPA
In Effect
4/28/2020

Announcement from the EPA

A temporary policy suspending enforcement of environmental regulations in response to COVID-19.


COVID-19 Medicare and Medicaid Revisions
Health
COVID-19
CMS
In Effect
4/28/2020


A rule introducing flexibilities for Medicare providers and beneficiaries in response to COVID-19.


HIPAA Enforcement Discretions
Health
COVID-19
HHS
In Effect
4/28/2020

Multiple enforcement discretions

Relaxed HIPAA privacy rules concerning information disclosure, telehealth, and testing sites.






Streamlined small business loans: PPP
Financial
COVID-19
SBA
In Effect
4/28/2020

Authorized under the CARES Act

A program offering streamlined loans to small businesses affected by COVID-19.



Supplemental Leverage Ratio relaxation
Financial
COVID-19
Fed
In Effect
4/28/2020



Temporary relaxation of the supplemental leverage ratio by the Federal Reserve to improve flexibility of banks.


Electric Detonators
Other
MSHA
In Effect
4/15/2020



A rule revising certain safety standards for explosives at metal and nonmetal (MNM) mines.


COVID-19 Rural Home Loans
Housing
COVID-19
USDA
In Effect
4/15/2020


A notification allowing rural agencies to offer loan payment deferrals in response to COVID-19.


National Park Service Electric Bicycles
Environmental
NPS
In Rulemaking
4/15/2020



A rule outlining the definition and rules for electric bicycles.


Clean Air Act: Emission Standards
Environmental
EPA, DoT
Repealed
4/8/2020



A rule setting corporate average fuel economy standards for passenger vehicles for model years 2022 through 2025.



On February 21, 2017, the Auto Alliance sent a letter to EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt urging him to withdraw the final determination and to resume the midterm evaluation. A notice of intent to withdraw the final determination was published March 22, a request for comment was issued August 21, and a public hearing was held September 6. On April 13, 2018, the EPA withdrew the Obama administration's final determination and issued a notice to resume the midterm evaluation. On May 1, 2018, a coalition of 18 state attorneys general led by California sued the EPA, claiming the proposal was a violation of the Clean Air Act.
8/24/2018
3/30/2020
–
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Safer Affordable Fuel-Efficient (SAFE) Vehicles Rule for Model Years 2021-2026 Passenger Vehicles

A new rule setting corporate average fuel economy standards for passenger vehicles for model years 2021 through 2026.



Rescission of California’s waiver

A rule revoking California’s ability to set its own stricter emission standards for greenhouse gas (GHG) and Zero Emissions Vehicle (ZEV).



Distance Education and Innovation
Education
DoEd
In Rulemaking
4/8/2020

4/2/2020
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–
?

A rule amending Institutional Eligibility regulations issued under the Higher Education Act of 1965.



National Emission Standards for Hazardous Air Pollutants
Environmental
EPA
In Effect
4/8/2020

7/29/202019
3/26/2020
3/26/2020
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Scientific Transparency Rule
Environmental
EPA
In Rulemaking
3/26/2020

4/30/2018
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–
?

A rule requiring scientific studies used to inform EPA rulemaking to have their underlying data made publicly available.


3/18/2020
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Applications to Regulatory Science

A rule expanding the scope of the above rulemaking to apply to influential scientific information

Deuce said:

No, you're proving the point I'm making: you don't actually know squat about these regulations Trump is supposedly helping you by eliminating.

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Help ME eliminate them? What the **** are you talking about?

Tbird19482 said:

So the Republican Senate didn't have to vote on this also? and didn't a Republican President have to sign it?
I guess not it is all the Dems fault
and didn't you have to file a income tax return or get some sort of SS to get these payments
Just asking
Have a nice night

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America is headed for fiscal slavery to whatever concentrated power will be emerging from the shadows to bail out the US when the debt collapses our house of credit cards, and we will look back and see both democrat and republican fingerprints on the many moves which brought our nation to disaster and fiscal failure.

marke said:

America is headed for fiscal slavery to whatever concentrated power will be emerging from the shadows to bail out the US when the debt collapses our house of credit cards, and we will look back and see both democrat and republican fingerprints on the many moves which brought our nation to disaster and fiscal failure.

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That is for sure
right now Congress has to find a way to stop all this spending that is not covered by revenue coming in
I have suggested two things we may have to raise taxes , and I believe we should have two things a MIN income tax on Corps. say 10% no deductions ,no deprecation, nothing a flat 10% ( maybe less ) across the board ( as it is now we have many large corps. making millions / Billions in US profits and not paying one cent in US income taxes, they get to use programs that these taxes pay for so they should have to pay something ) and a national sales tax of say 1% on everything we buy , this would be used ONLY to pay off the debt and when it is paid off it would be suspended and could only be brought back if we went to war or had a great recession or Depression where we had to spend our way out of it
OH and we need a balanced budget Amend. with teeth in it so we can not spend more then we take in
I see no other way of getting out of this mess, do you
Have a nice day

jaypatriot said:

Deuce, why are you being so obstinate on this?
YOu know Trump has rolled back at least 100 onerous business regulations.
Do we need to discuss the efficacy of each of them before you know it has spurred business activity considerably?

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Yes, because

A rule requiring scientific studies used to inform EPA rulemaking to have their underlying data made publicly available.

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does not immediately jump out at me as a job destroyer.

Meanwhile,

Mercury and Air Toxic Standards: Revised Cost-Benefit Analysis
Environmental
Children, Youth, and Families
EPA
In Effect
4/28/2020

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Makes me ask the question: How the **** much extra mercury in the air is it now acceptable to expose children to?

So, ****ing yes, I need to discuss these in ****ing detail. Do you not care about mercury exposure?

Bullseye said:

Help ME eliminate them? What the **** are you talking about?

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We're the people of this country. You tried to claim to me that we're helped by removing "job killing" regulation. Creating jobs doesn't help you? Ok then!

What a stupid article. Of course the president cares about the economy. EVERY president cares about the economy, it's one of their primary jobs!
Now, we can argue about how effective each president is at boosting the economy, but don't be so stupid as to say that any of them don't care!

Tbird19482 said:

So the Republican Senate didn't have to vote on this also? and didn't a Republican President have to sign it?
I guess not it is all the Dems fault
and didn't you have to file a income tax return or get some sort of SS to get these payments
Just asking
Have a nice night

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You are right. The House may have crafted this porkulus bill with little help from republicans but if it passes the Senate and Trump signs it then others will share in the blame as well.

marke said:

You are right. The House may have crafted this porkulus bill with little help from republicans but if it passes the Senate and Trump signs it then others will share in the blame as well.

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Speaking of pork added to all these bills
it is about time the people of this country tell our representatives in Congress to pass a bill that says that a bill can only deal with one matter and not have add on after add on to it
it wouldn't be hard to have simple bills dealing with just one thing at a time. yes it would mean that a lot more bills would have to be written but we wouldn't have a lot of garbage added to an important bill just so some Congressmen or Senator can get more special stuff for their state
I know that is what they do and IF they had to write a bill just to get that special stuff just for their state it wouldn't pass and we could cut the deficit
Have a nice day

Deuce said:

We're the people of this country. You tried to claim to me that we're helped by removing "job killing" regulation. Creating jobs doesn't help you? Ok then!

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What?

uptower said:

Trump doesn't really care about the economy — he just wants to fake it until November | Salon.com

Interesting op-ed and reaffirming to those who thought Trump never had any vision for America, he just wanted to 'be' president. His intention is basically fool enough people into thinking the economy is rosy so that he can win - regardless how many deaths it causes to get the dow up or some other superficial gauge of its success - then go back to golfing at his resorts on the taxpayer dime...and let Rome burn.

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This is NOT news, but an opinion piece. It's a very biased one at that.

Note that the basis of this is that the White House was happy that unemployment wasn't as high as it could have been. It's silly.

Bullseye said:

Salon is dumber than a box of rocks. Their readers aren't much higher on the IQ scale.

Seriously, the economy is Trump's big selling point and now a few months before the election he suddenly doesn't give a ****?

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Excellent point-there is no shame from the TDS crowd. They are blinded by Trump hate and they cannot handle the fact that he might be reelected.

Bullseye said:

Salon is dumber than a box of rocks. Their readers aren't much higher on the IQ scale.
Seriously, the economy is Trump's big selling point and now a few months before the election he suddenly doesn't give a ****?

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Trump and his science illiterate cro-magnon clientele are dumber than a box of rocks.
How do you figure this now cratered economy into a depression is a 'big selling point'?

Trump won't be happy until he infects an entire generation of children next fall.
Anti-vaxxers should just shoot up some disinfectant and ingest the two chloroquine cousins.

Trump's TDS supporters have no clue here, and they know it.
trumpublicans do support culling the human race.

uptower said:

Trump isn't interested in an actual economic recovery - he'll create the illusion of a healthy economy just long enough to drag him across the finish line in November. Take the proposal to raid Social Security to stimulate consumer spending: If people find their retirement money eroded years or decades from now, He'll be long gone. All he wants is a cheap salve that will net him an Electoral College victory on Nov. 3. After that, America's on its own.*

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You dont know what Trump is or isnt 'interested in.' He lives in your head, you dont live in his.

Linc said:

Trump and his science illiterate cro-magnon clientele are dumber than a box of rocks.
How do you figure this now cratered economy into a depression is a 'big selling point'?

Trump won't be happy until he infects an entire generation of children next fall.
Anti-vaxxers should just shoot up some disinfectant and ingest the two chloroquine cousins.

Trump's TDS supporters have no clue here, and they know it.
trumpublicans do support culling the human race.

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What???

:cuckoo:

Tbird19482 said:

Speaking of pork added to all these bills
it is about time the people of this country tell our representatives in Congress to pass a bill that says that a bill can only deal with one matter and not have add on after add on to it
it wouldn't be hard to have simple bills dealing with just one thing at a time. yes it would mean that a lot more bills would have to be written but we wouldn't have a lot of garbage added to an important bill just so some Congressmen or Senator can get more special stuff for their state
I know that is what they do and IF they had to write a bill just to get that special stuff just for their state it wouldn't pass and we could cut the deficit
Have a nice day

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Crooked politicians, especially democrats, have been using their influence to swing crooked political deals which fatten their own bank accounts for so long that they are no longer able to see that it is illegal and do not understand why it would be considered wrong, unless it is being donw by a political opponent.

dcsports said:

This is NOT news, but an opinion piece. It's a very biased one at that.

Note that the basis of this is that the White House was happy that unemployment wasn't as high as it could have been. It's silly.

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Trump is more or less over inflating the 'could have beens' at whim to make the actual numbers look better.

Fletch said:

You dont know what Trump is or isnt 'interested in.' He lives in your head, you dont live in his.

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We can all observe others and make reasonable assumptions: we speak the same language, know the same body language, gauge the same rresponses. Anyone can see trump is fudging the numbers and trying to oversell a s#it sandwich.

uptower said:

We can all observe others and make reasonable assumptions: we speak the same language, know the same body language, gauge the same rresponses. Anyone can see trump is fudging the numbers and trying to oversell a s#it sandwich.

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No, that is what YOU see. You hate Trump and that hatred colors your judgment in everything he does. No matter what he does, you ascribe to him the worst possible motives. That exposes a dysfunction in your thinking, not his.

uptower said:

Relax, that's why I put it in the Non-MSM section




Yes because he only 'cares' in terms of using it as a yardstick to sell his own 'success'. And for that he only uses easy measurements such as sheer job numbers, and the stock index and is happy to take credit for gains that came before him or that his presidency rode the back of.

If he really had cared about the economy he'd have done more work on it than mere tax cuts since taking office. Now he wants a short term gain: sacrifice some lives to reopen the economy, claim that a million could have died or 50 million could have been out of work and sell any figure lower than that as a 'victory' then go back to doing nothing after he wins the election because he won't have another term anyway.

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You are welcome to list the Obama's policies that positively affected the economy. After you list them, explain how they made a positive impact. Thank you.

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Trump is more or less over inflating the 'could have beens' at whim to make the actual numbers look better.

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I see. This isn't the forum for conspiracy theories.

If you don't believe 'Trump's predictions' of the potential for high unemployment, look at other predictions. Maybe Pelosi and Schumer are more your speed - as they work to justify a $3T spending bill. Or others. To say that Trump is the only one concerned about high unemployment is silly.