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Trump's DHS Starts to Import 85,000 H-1B Graduate Gig Workers

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President Donald Trump’s deputies announced Friday that they had begun the process of importing 85,000 H-1B gig workers to take white-collar jobs that will be needed after October by the millions of American graduates who are now losing jobs in the coronavirus crash. “This is just an unspeakable action,” said Marie Larson, a co-founder of the American Workers Coalition, which opposes the many visa worker programs that have transferred at least one million white-collar jobs to foreign workers. “I don’t believe President Trump ordered this — the swamp went ahead with this,” she said. “If the H-1B program is just for filling jobs that Americans cannot fill amid for labor shortages, then this would not be happening,” said John Miano, a lawyer with the Immigration Law Reform Institute. “But it is not a labor-shortage program — it is a cheap labor program to displace Americans,” he said.
The 2020 lottery “is in your face that that is the purpose of the program.”

This annual supply includes 20,000 visas for foreigners who pay for graduate degrees at American colleges, plus 65,000 visas for graduates who are directly imported from India, China, and other countries. Non-profits — such as hospitals and universities — are allowed to also import an unlimited number of “cap-exempt” H-1Bs for white-collar jobs.

Roughly 100,000 new H-1B workers arrive each year. But they are allowed to stay for many years, so companies have gradually built up a resident workforce of roughly 900,000 H-1B workers, alongside several hundred thousand additional white-collar workers carrying L-1, OPT, CPT, E-3, B-1, TN, H4EAD documents.

Trump's DHS Starts to Import 85,000 H-1B Graduate Gig Workers
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Trump is a fake nationalist, 100% globalist swine. He will not get my vote this year. Governor Cuomo seems more of a leader right now than Trump. He ran on putting Americans First, and all he's done for 3 years is put Americans Last.
 
truthatallcost said:
Trump is a fake nationalist, 100% globalist swine. He will not get my vote this year. Governor Cuomo seems more of a leader right now than Trump. He ran on putting Americans First, and all he's done for 3 years is put Americans Last.
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Only someone who thought Trump was against all forms of Immigration could possibly believe that this would be anti-American.

I am all for immigration of the worlds best and brightest, regardless of where they can be found. Viral outbreak or not.

So is Trump. The problem he's had with immigration concerns mass migration which floods the nation with mostly unskilled workers who then compete with Americans for entry level work.

But he has always pushed for the US to seek the kind of immigrants we need to keep America first in business, technology, and other sciences.

If Americans want to remain competitive in the job market, then IMO they need to stop going into student loan debt taking underwater basket weaving non-science, non-tech degrees.

IMO it is only those with an entitled mental outlook who seem to think that simply because they were born here that they are entitled to preference in hiring, regardless of the fact they lack both the skills and motivation to get and keep a job.

 
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truthatallcost said:
Trump is a fake nationalist, 100% globalist swine. He will not get my vote this year. Governor Cuomo seems more of a leader right now than Trump. He ran on putting Americans First, and all he's done for 3 years is put Americans Last.
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So you support totally open borders by which everyone can come here instead. Clever. So how much do you want taxes increased and give a hit as to all the new regulations you want added? :roll:

This is the reason I so despise Ron Paul and am none too fond of Rand Paul. They are tantrum people like little children. Given them exactly everything they want or they'll destroy everything like a little child throwing a tantrum for being told "no, put it back" for candy the child grabbed in the checkout line.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Only someone who thought Trump was against all forms of Immigration could possibly believe that this would be anti-American.

I am all for immigration of the worlds best and brightest, regardless of where they can be found. Viral outbreak or not.

So is Trump. The problem he's had with immigration concerns mass migration which floods the nation with mostly unskilled workers who then compete with Americans for entry level work.

But he has always pushed for the US to seek the kind of immigrants we need to keep America first in technology and other sciences.

If Americans want to remain competitive in the job market, then IMO they need to stop going into student loan debt taking underwater basket weaving non-science, non-tech degrees.
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I do not agree with Trump on this, but ANY Democrat complaining about this is the ultimate form of hypocrisy. The Democratic Party supports totally open borders (decriminalization) and ending all deportations. In their view, everyone of those people should be let an - along with any of the over 7 billion other people in the world - and we all should pay for everything they need too.
 
Captain Adverse said:
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If Americans want to remain competitive in the job market, then IMO they need to stop going into student loan debt taking underwater basket weaving non-science, non-tech degrees.
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A hilariously childish oversimplification of America's labor problems. Corporations are replacing both skilled and unskilled labor with automation, cheap imported immigrants, and outsourcing in order to maximize profits yet you pretend it's Americans fault.

Donald Trump's businesses have always profited heavily by using cheap immigrant labor domestically and internationally. He has never and at no point put the American worker over his own personal interests.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
A hilariously childish oversimplification of America's labor problems. Corporations are replacing both skilled and unskilled labor with automation, cheap imported immigrants, and outsourcing in order to maximize profits yet you pretend it's Americans fault.

Donald Trump's businesses have always profited heavily by using cheap immigrant labor domestically and internationally. He has never and at no point put the American worker over his own personal interests.
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Anyone in business has to operate until terms of reality.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
A hilariously childish oversimplification of America's labor problems. Corporations are replacing both skilled and unskilled labor with automation, cheap imported immigrants, and outsourcing in order to maximize profits yet you pretend it's Americans fault.

Donald Trump's businesses have always profited heavily by using cheap immigrant labor domestically and internationally. He has never and at no point put the American worker over his own personal interests.
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It is not pretending to place blame on the US electorate for the actions of their government's legislative representatives (and other elected officials). That is exactly the right place to to place that blame - rest assured that it is not corporations which are issuing (or extending) H1B visas. Keep in mind that these laws (supplying and/or allowing use of cheap imported labor by US "job creators") were in place long before Trump held any elective office and will remain in place long after he leaves office.
 
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Brietbart isn't the best news source out there. Maybe it's true, but then again maybe the same thing has happened every year for the last 30 years.


I wouldn't trust it.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It is not pretending to place blame on the US electorate for the actions of their government's legislative representatives (and other elected officials). That is exactly the right place to to place that blame - rest assured that it is not corporations which are issuing (or extending) H1B visas. Keep in mind that these laws (supplying and/or allowing use of cheap imported labor by US "job creators") were in place long before Trump held any elective office and will remain in place long after he leaves office.
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When a politician runs on being against this kind of swampy corruption then turns around and is worse than any of his predecessors about it, I blame the corrupt and lying politician over the gullible and cheated voters.
 
truthatallcost said:
Trump is a fake nationalist, 100% globalist swine. He will not get my vote this year. Governor Cuomo seems more of a leader right now than Trump. He ran on putting Americans First, and all he's done for 3 years is put Americans Last.
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Yet, equal protection of the laws for unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States is too much to ask?

Unemployment compensation at the equivalent to fourteen dollars an hour with or without a statutory fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage!
 
What are H1B visas?

The job must meet one of the following criteria to qualify as a specialty occupation:

1. Bachelor’s or higher degree or its equivalent is normally the minimum entry requirement for the position

2. The degree requirement for the job is common to the industry or the job is so complex or unique that it can be performed only by an individual with a degree

3. The employer normally requires a degree or its equivalent for the position

4. The nature of the specific duties is so specialized and complex that the knowledge required to perform the duties is usually associated with the attainment of a bachelor’s or higher degree.*

For you to qualify to accept a job offer in a specialty occupation you must meet one of the following criteria:

a. Have completed a U.S. bachelor’s or higher degree required by the specific specialty occupation from an accredited college or university

b. Hold a foreign degree that is the equivalent to a U.S. bachelor’s or higher degree in the specialty occupation

c. Hold an unrestricted state license, registration, or certification which authorizes you to fully practice the specialty occupation and be engaged in that specialty in the state of intended employment

d. Have education, training, or progressively responsible experience in the specialty that is equivalent to the completion of such a degree, and have recognition of expertise in the specialty through progressively responsible positions directly related to the specialty.**
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H-1B Specialty Occupations, DOD Cooperative Research and Development Project Workers, and Fashion Models | USCIS

So we are not talking maids, waiters, ditch-diggers, etc..

As I pointed out in my first post, these are highly educated and trained personnel.

People who (IMHO) most likely would not be recruited if we had more qualified American worker's seeking those fields.
 
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Captain Adverse said:
Only someone who thought Trump was against all forms of Immigration could possibly believe that this would be anti-American.

I am all for immigration of the worlds best and brightest, regardless of where they can be found. Viral outbreak or not.

So is Trump. The problem he's had with immigration concerns mass migration which floods the nation with mostly unskilled workers who then compete with Americans for entry level work.

But he has always pushed for the US to seek the kind of immigrants we need to keep America first in business, technology, and other sciences.

If Americans want to remain competitive in the job market, then IMO they need to stop going into student loan debt taking underwater basket weaving non-science, non-tech degrees.

IMO it is only those with an entitled mental outlook who seem to think that simply because they were born here that they are entitled to preference in hiring, regardless of the fact they lack both the skills and motivation to get and keep a job.

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I hate to disagree with you on this one, this a bull**** move by the DHS, because every single one of those people being has an American equivalent already. There are plenty of Americans who do the jobs these guys can, the difference is the startups dont want to pay the wages the Americans command in a tight market and their import is a way to suppress the wages Americans earn. I am partners in a aerospace firm and we have Indian and Chinese labor hucksters trying to get their guys in. I made the mistake of going along with trying couple of programmers we thought would be good. Besides the fact most are crap at what they do with really annoying habits, like not telling us about problems as they come up, and initiative is nil. Americans are just plain better on average, especially the older ones who have done more and seen more. We have guys hired on that would be retired from anywhere else. We got us some old school Lockheed and Northrup boys. They are worth their weight in palladium.

Side note: Old dogs can invent new tricks. :cool:
 
PirateMk1 said:
I hate to disagree with you on this one, this a bull**** move by the DHS, because every single one of those people being has an American equivalent already. There are plenty of Americans who do the jobs these guys can, the difference is the startups dont want to pay the wages the Americans command in a tight market and their import is a way to suppress the wages Americans earn. I am partners in a aerospace firm and we have Indian and Chinese labor hucksters trying to get their guys in. I made the mistake of going along with trying couple of programmers we thought would be good. Besides the fact most are crap at what they do with really annoying habits, like not telling us about problems as they come up, and initiative is nil. Americans are just plain better on average, especially the older ones who have done more and seen more. We have guys hired on that would be retired from anywhere else. We got us some old school Lockheed and Northrup boys. They are worth their weight in palladium.

Side note: Old dogs can invent new tricks. :cool:
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I appreciate the response, but see post #11 above.

I don't agree that "every one of those people has 'an American equivalent already.'"

Else there would be little need for this law and process to exist. IMO we have a lot of people simply getting degrees (online as often as not) just to "punch the ticket." Because one is needed now, like once it was believed a high school diploma was a guarantee of better work.

But our schools have become degree mills, thanks in great part IMHO to the student loan program. People are getting degrees that are the equivalent of the old "attendance" HS Diplomas once issued simply to show a person completed four years of high school...not that they actually learned anything.

Hell, more and more people are getting online, at your own pace degrees. Where they literally take tests with all their materials in front of them at their own pace, just to get a degree hardly worth the paper it was printed on.
 
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Captain Adverse said:
Only someone who thought Trump was against all forms of Immigration could possibly believe that this would be anti-American.

I am all for immigration of the worlds best and brightest, regardless of where they can be found. Viral outbreak or not.

So is Trump. The problem he's had with immigration concerns mass migration which floods the nation with mostly unskilled workers who then compete with Americans for entry level work.

But he has always pushed for the US to seek the kind of immigrants we need to keep America first in business, technology, and other sciences.

If Americans want to remain competitive in the job market, then IMO they need to stop going into student loan debt taking underwater basket weaving non-science, non-tech degrees.

IMO it is only those with an entitled mental outlook who seem to think that simply because they were born here that they are entitled to preference in hiring, regardless of the fact they lack both the skills and motivation to get and keep a job.

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That (bolded above) is nonsense. Most immigrants (legal or not) do not possess college degrees of any kind (just as most of US the citizen workforce does not). In order to compete with those willing to live and work under third world conditions or for any wage above that being offered in the third world - you must also be willing to do so.

It is completely understandable why someone would seek to leave their homeland to work in the US for pay which is 10X (or more per day/hour) what they can make by remaining in place - the fact that 10X $8/day is $80/day ($10/hour for an 8 hour shift) does not mean that a US carpenter, landscape worker, cook, shelf stocker or cashier should then be willing to "compete" for that job at $10/hour.
 
truthatallcost said:
Trump is a fake nationalist, 100% globalist swine. He will not get my vote this year. Governor Cuomo seems more of a leader right now than Trump. He ran on putting Americans First, and all he's done for 3 years is put Americans Last.
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You probably think Trump is a secret Jew too :lol:
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That (bolded above) is nonsense. Most immigrants (legal or not) do not possess college degrees of any kind (just as most of US the citizen workforce does not). In order to compete with those willing to live and work under third world conditions or for any wage above that being offered in the third world - you must also be willing to do so.

It is completely understandable why someone would seek to leave their homeland to work in the US for pay which is 10X (or more per day/hour) what they can make by remaining in place - the fact that 10X $8/day is $80/day ($10/hour for an 8 hour shift) does not mean that a US carpenter, landscape worker, cook, shelf stocker or cashier should then be willing to "compete" for that job at $10/hour.
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another reason for a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage.
 
truthatallcost said:
Trump is a fake nationalist, 100% globalist swine. He will not get my vote this year. Governor Cuomo seems more of a leader right now than Trump. He ran on putting Americans First, and all he's done for 3 years is put Americans Last.
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I read the lonk and searched deeper, and this is a mish mash of throw together labor gripes. I suspect it’s a product of Hillarys new anti Trump PAC. The O.P. rewrote the headline to blame Trump.

Message: labor does not like H1B’s even if we can’t fill the need domestically. India has lots of brains they can’t put to work, whereas the USA has lots of work with a shallow talent pool.

Bull**** season ends November 3, 2020.
 
Captain Adverse said:
I appreciate the response, but see post #11 above.
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The H1B visa is so abused its a joke. Seriously. You dont need 85,000 specialists in one swoop. The system is being played, especially in the tech sector. I have NEVER heard of a government audit of anyone utilizing H1B visa. If you have I would love to know the results because as far as I can tell nobody gets even a slap on the wrist. Most people coming in on those visas are rote programmers. We have plenty of those. Quite frankly we shouldn't be importing anybody till we are out of the current crisis.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That (bolded above) is nonsense. Most immigrants (legal or not) do not possess college degrees of any kind (just as most of US the citizen workforce does not). In order to compete with those willing to live and work under third world conditions or for any wage above that being offered in the third world - you must also be willing to do so.

It is completely understandable why someone would seek to leave their homeland to work in the US for pay which is 10X (or more per day/hour) what they can make by remaining in place - the fact that 10X $8/day is $80/day ($10/hour for an 8 hour shift) does not mean that a US carpenter, landscape worker, cook, shelf stocker or cashier should then be willing to "compete" for that job at $10/hour.
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It is not bull**** in the discussion before us because we are not talking about "most immigrants."

The issue is specifically H1B visas. I posted the requirements and the link in post #11.

We are talking about highly educated, and/or highly experienced technicians. NOT "maids, construction workers, etc."

PirateMk1 said:
The H1B visa is so abused its a joke. Seriously. You dont need 85,000 specialists in one swoop. The system is being played, especially in the tech sector. I have NEVER heard of a government audit of anyone utilizing H1B visa. If you have I would love to know the results because as far as I can tell nobody gets even a slap on the wrist. Most people coming in on those visas are rote programmers. We have plenty of those. Quite frankly we shouldn't be importing anybody till we are out of the current crisis.
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Then address the alleged abuse, not the program itself. I'd have no problem with that.

Meanwhile my points stand.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
When a politician runs on being against this kind of swampy corruption then turns around and is worse than any of his predecessors about it, I blame the corrupt and lying politician over the gullible and cheated voters.
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Then you are free to keep kidding yourself that, if not for having elected Trump POTUS, congress critters (the true kings of the swamp) would do a thing to risk lessening the flow of their campaign cash from US "job creators" which depend on immigration (legal or not) to prevent 'undo pressure' to raise their wages/benefit offers in order to attract and retain qualified labor.

Trump is no "worse about it" - he is simply just as indifferent about it as many other "job creators" are. Why do you suppose Trump never once promised to implement an eVerify mandate? All politicians lie to get elected/re-elected and then express regrets that they were unable to fulfill their campaign "promises" (during their current term in office) as rapidly as they had hoped to be able to - rinse and repeat....
 
danielpalos said:
another reason for a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage.
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Nonsense - it is precisely the fact that US employers now pay more for (low skilled) labor than many other nations do which encourages more immigration (legal or not). The idea that fewer foreign nationals would find working the US (legally or not) to be desireable if only we raised the pay/benefits of all US low skilled work is, perhaps, the most moronic suggestion that I have ever heard/read.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Nonsense - it is precisely the fact that US employers now pay more for (low skilled) labor than many other nations do which encourages more immigration (legal or not). The idea that fewer foreign nationals would find working the US (legally or not) to be desirable if only we raised the pay/benefits of all US low skilled work is, perhaps, the most moronic suggestion that I have ever heard/read.
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Not saying much since you appeal to ignorance of the whole and entire concept of economics.

Higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.

Labor shortage: The US doesn’t have enough workers to fill open jobs - Vox
 
Captain Adverse said:
It is not bull**** in the discussion before us because we are not talking about "most immigrants."

The issue is specifically H1B visas. I posted the requirements and the link in post #11.

We are talking about highly educated, and/or highly experienced technicians. NOT "maids, construction workers, etc."



Then address the alleged abuse, not the program itself. I'd have no problem with that.

Meanwhile my points stand.
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We are talking about far more jobs than those (bolded above).

Along with specialized workers, the H1B visa also applies to fashion models and Department of Defense cooperative research and development project workers. First Lady Melania Trump is just one example of a fashion model who entered the US through an H1B visa and later became a US citizen.
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Since HIB visa holders can (and normally do) bring in family members on a proirity basis they too join the US workforce.

To do so, the dependent family members (spouse and unmarried children under 21 years of age) must complete an H4 visa application which can be done at the same time as the H1B visa application, or after the H1B visa has already left to the US.

H4 visa holders can go to school, open bank accounts, get a driver’s license and even receive a social security number. H4 visa holders can also legally work while in the US after applying for an Employment Authorization Document while on the H4 visa. However, once the H1B visa holder’s visa expires, all of the dependent family members will have to return to their home country along with the H1B visa holder.
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Do you supposed that these H4 visa holders simply self-deport after they turn 21? I seriously doubt that.

COMPLETE guide to the H1B visa & H1B visa application process [2020]
 
ttwtt78640 said:
We are talking about far more jobs than those (bolded above).



Since HIB visa holders can (and normally do) bring in family members on a proirity basis they too join the US workforce.



Do you supposed that these H4 visa holders simply self-deport after they turn 21? I seriously doubt that.

COMPLETE guide to the H1B visa & H1B visa application process [2020]
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Wow, are you arguing that we have been allowing too many "fashion models" into the country? Really?

As for "defense cooperative research and development project workers"...do you think this equates to ditch diggers, maids, etc.?

Where did the H4 worker issue come from? I believe the article was addressing H1B workers.

I'm sorry, but deflections are never a good tactic. You're better than that.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Only someone who thought Trump was against all forms of Immigration could possibly believe that this would be anti-American.

I am all for immigration of the worlds best and brightest, regardless of where they can be found. Viral outbreak or not.

So is Trump. The problem he's had with immigration concerns mass migration which floods the nation with mostly unskilled workers who then compete with Americans for entry level work.

But he has always pushed for the US to seek the kind of immigrants we need to keep America first in business, technology, and other sciences.

If Americans want to remain competitive in the job market, then IMO they need to stop going into student loan debt taking underwater basket weaving non-science, non-tech degrees.

IMO it is only those with an entitled mental outlook who seem to think that simply because they were born here that they are entitled to preference in hiring, regardless of the fact they lack both the skills and motivation to get and keep a job.

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Maryland needs crab pickers.
 
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