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Trump's DHS Starts to Import 85,000 H-1B Graduate Gig Workers

jotathought said:
The purpose of any for-profit business is to maximize profits. Training is expensive, knowledge is expensive and when unskilled labor has a trend of high turnover, why wouldn't businesses want to maximize on other alternatives to bridge that gap? Automation, Machine Learning and a Robotic workforce increase productivity and lower costs.
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It's businesses role to maximize profits. It's government's role to keep business from destroying democracy. Both government and business if unrestrained are destructive and costly. It's everybody's job to make sure they elect people that will keep a balance of those two enterprises is essential.
 
Luce said:
Sure. And how'd that work out for everyone?
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Some on the left are advocating for a national fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage and unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States at the equivalent to fourteen dollars an hour with our without a statutory fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage.

And Tax Cut economics for employers who "upgrade their private sector infrastructure with automation".
 
Luce said:
How about from "the average American on the street" perspective.

Also, Hamish is involved in some AI stuff, and he doesn't seem very impressed.
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From a technology perspective, there will always be outliers and I'd guess (I haven't researched the numbers) the majority of technology usage in this field produce favorable results; otherwise, business would not continue to bring automation/AI/Robots into the workforce. As far as the "average American on the street," they cost more with payroll/benefits/onboarding being one of the highest expense a business incurs.
 
aociswundumho said:
This is actually the most rational position for anyone who wants to make the US richer and more prosperous.



True, but that's going to be very unpopular on this forum.
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Caveat being, *the best and the brightest, that are willing to work for $10 an hour*. One problem with your ideas about finding 'the best and the brightest', is that only the immigrant generation will work for the meager wages that you want to pay them. Their kids will be Americans, and will go to college here, graduating with a reasonable expectation of being treated like a human, and compensated with a liveable wage. So by the time the children of immigrants come into the work force, they're already a part of the 'spoiled, greedy Americans' the GOP despises, because they won't work for Microsoft for 10 or 12 bucks an hour, and now you have to import yet another group of immigrants to the replace these first generation Americans. It's a never ending cycle.
 
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aociswundumho said:
Lower production costs due to automation is one of the reasons Americans have such a high living standard in the first place.
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The standard of living was higher 50 or 60 years ago than today, and Americans lived longer. As it turns out, rewarding the greed mongers isn't the answer to every problem with the economy. But you're willing to tell an American who lost their livelihood to a robot, that they should be grateful for paying 20 cents less for goods that were manufactured by automation.
 
swing_voter said:
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Brietbart isn't the best news source out there. Maybe it's true, but then again maybe the same thing has happened every year for the last 30 years.


I wouldn't trust it.
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Maybe it's true, but Breitbart reported it, so I'll pretend it's not true. :roll:

Every news site has reported on this. It takes 3 seconds to verify.
 
truthatallcost said:
The standard of living was higher 50 or 60 years ago than today, and Americans lived longer.
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No, it wasn't. Not even close. Not even in the same ballpark. GDP per capita in 1960 was 18k. Today it's over 65k inflation adjusted.
 
truthatallcost said:
Caveat being, *the best and the brightest, that are willing to work for $10 an hour*. One problem with your ideas about finding 'the best and the brightest', is that only the immigrant generation will work for the meager wages that you want to pay them.
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Great! Do you often complain about low prices? Gas is cheap right now, do you get angry when you fill up and it costs you less money?

Their kids will be Americans, and will go to college here, graduating with a reasonable expectation of being treated like a human, and compensated with a liveable wage.
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Please, spare me the so-called "livable wage" crap. The world doesn't owe you or me anything.
 
aociswundumho said:
No, it wasn't. Not even close. Not even in the same ballpark. GDP per capita in 1960 was 18k. Today it's over 65k inflation adjusted.
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$18,000 in 1960 is equivalent to $157,000 today. You're way off in your assessment.
 
aociswundumho said:
Great! Do you often complain about low prices? Gas is cheap right now, do you get angry when you fill up and it costs you less money?
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I'm not one for cheap, Chinese goods, I prefer quality. I'll spend more for goods I know will last, and not need replacement after 6 weeks. Outsourcing and importing H1-B visas has nothing to do with lowering gas prices.



Please, spare me the so-called "livable wage" crap. The world doesn't owe you or me anything.
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Are we citizens of the world like Obama suggested (global citizens), or Americans? Do you not believe that your children should benefit from being Americans, and shouldn't be forced to compete with children from India someday, for American resources?

This plague of globalism that has infected the GOP will be it's undoing, and the undoing of the country. They love to wave their American flags that were sewn in China, and wear their MAGA hats that were made from tired Chinese hands; these people have nothing in common with the Greatest Generation, or the generation that fought for American independence.
 
truthatallcost said:
$18,000 in 1960 is equivalent to $157,000 today. You're way off in your assessment.
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Those numbers are adjusted for inflation:

aociswundumho said:
No, it wasn't. Not even close. Not even in the same ballpark. GDP per capita in 1960 was 18k. Today it's over 65k inflation adjusted.
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Google it for yourself. GDP per capita in real dollars or GDP per capita adjusted for inflation.
 
truthatallcost said:
I'm not one for cheap, Chinese goods, I prefer quality. I'll spend more for goods I know will last, and not need replacement after 6 weeks.
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That's your choice, and I have no problem with it. Just let the rest of us decide for ourselves how to spend our own money.

Are we citizens of the world like Obama suggested (global citizens), or Americans?
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I'm not interested in what an affirmative action idiot like Obama has to say.

Do you not believe that your children should benefit from being Americans, and shouldn't be forced to compete with children from India someday, for American resources?

This plague of globalism that has infected the GOP will be it's undoing, and the undoing of the country. They love to wave their American flags that were sewn in China, and wear their MAGA hats that were made from tired Chinese hands; these people have nothing in common with the Greatest Generation, or the generation that fought for American independence.
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You're fighting the wrong battle.

Think of it this way. Presumably you believe that Americans buying stuff from China, year after year, at very low prices, is bad for the country.

But instead of very low prices, imagine if China sent Americans stuff for free, year after year. Is that still bad for Americans?
 
aociswundumho said:
That's your choice, and I have no problem with it. Just let the rest of us decide for ourselves how to spend our own money.



I'm not interested in what an affirmative action idiot like Obama has to say.



You're fighting the wrong battle.

Think of it this way. Presumably you believe that Americans buying stuff from China, year after year, at very low prices, is bad for the country.

But instead of very low prices, imagine if China sent Americans stuff for free, year after year. Is that still bad for Americans?
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Yes, you give China power over America, which is colossally stupid....they are out to get us.

Now today we must constantly go to the Chinese and the Indians and beg them for drugs and medical supplies, for which they demand favors, because that is how they operate....because we moved manufacturing out of America because it was "CHEAPER!".


"OH DONT WORRY, THE CHINESE WOULD NEVER DO THAT!"
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barf
 
RabidAlpaca said:
A hilariously childish oversimplification of America's labor problems. Corporations are replacing both skilled and unskilled labor with automation, cheap imported immigrants, and outsourcing in order to maximize profits yet you pretend it's Americans fault.

Donald Trump's businesses have always profited heavily by using cheap immigrant labor domestically and internationally. He has never and at no point put the American worker over his own personal interests.
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NO CHEAP LABOR, NO ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, unless of course its for Mar A Lago. LOL!
 
aociswundumho said:
Those numbers are adjusted for inflation:



Google it for yourself. GDP per capita in real dollars or GDP per capita adjusted for inflation.
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Be that as it may, I keep seeing Republicans using GDP as if its the god they pray to.

- An American could buy a running used car for 300 in 1960.

-College tuition was inexpensive, and Americans didn't graduate from college as financial indentured servants.

- My grandparents bought a new home in the Bay Area of California, for only $8000 in 1958. The same home is valued today at $900,000.

- Americans didn't commit suicide at such high rates in 1960.

- Americans got married and had kids by their early 20s in 1960, because they could afford it. That is out the window today.

- Americans were not hooked on opiates, pills, Meth, and heroin. The government wouldn't have allowed half the country to be doped up like zombies. Today? We don't care, as long as my big pharma stocks give a big juicy dividend, then screw Americans.

You cannot explain why per capita GDP is higher today, yet quality of life/satisfaction with life is so drastically lower.
 
truthatallcost said:
Be that as it may, I keep seeing Republicans using GDP as if its the god they pray to.

- An American could buy a running used car for 300 in 1960.

-College tuition was inexpensive, and Americans didn't graduate from college as financial indentured servants.

- My grandparents bought a new home in the Bay Area of California, for only $8000 in 1958. The same home is valued today at $900,000.

- Americans didn't commit suicide at such high rates in 1960.

- Americans got married and had kids by their early 20s in 1960, because they could afford it. That is out the window today.

- Americans were not hooked on opiates, pills, Meth, and heroin. The government wouldn't have allowed half the country to be doped up like zombies. Today? We don't care, as long as my big pharma stocks give a big juicy dividend, then screw Americans.

You cannot explain why per capita GDP is higher today, yet quality of life/satisfaction with life is so drastically lower.
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In the era you look back on so fondly the wealthy paid their share of taxes, fewer tax loop holes were available, corporations planned for an extended future not the next quarter, the unions were strong and hourly workers were paid a living wage. Oh yeah and the conspiracy theorists that voted in Trump were considered nut jobs and nobody listened to them.
 
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