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Trump Pushes to Knock Hundreds of Thousands Off of Food Stamps While COVID-19 Death Toll Rises

So basically, you just ignored my entire post. Nice. Real nice.
Yes...I did, because the reality is you put more effort into writing that post that many capable able bodied adults out into working for benefits.

I love watching you people go through your ridiculous conniptions. You know...there are people that work full and part time jobs to provide for their families....sometimes people that work 2 full time jobs and go to school to both provide for their family and create a better future. And you are literally ****ting yourself over the requirement of an able bodied adult without dependents to have to work 20 hours a week to qualify for benefits.

You pretty much exemplify whats wrong with the welfare state.
 
Yes...I did, because the reality is you put more effort into writing that post that many capable able bodied adults out into working for benefits.
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That's no excuse to blatantly ignore reasons why able-bodied people can't always work, or that structural reasons can prevent people from working, or that safety nets don't actually discourage work, and so on.


I love watching you people go through your ridiculous conniptions.
I for one don't enjoy ideologically-driven claims that deliberately ignore a huge range of relevant facts. Anyway....


You know...there are people that work full and part time jobs to provide for their families....
Yes, I do know that. I also know there are people who can't do that. Wait, you mean different people face different circumstances and obstacles? Who knew?!?

And again: Since you missed it -- presumably both right now and in 2008 -- there are often broad economic conditions and structural realities which prevent people from working, including those who want to work.

I mean, really. Do you think 10 million people suddenly got lazy, and decided to depend on the government instead, even though that means collecting about half their pay just last month? No. People want to work. They can't, because there's a pandemic underway.

And again: Since you missed it, plenty of nations have better safety nets than the US, and don't have massive unemployment. Especially since some of those safety nets are designed to help people get back to work.

Thanks, though, for clearly illustrating what is so deeply wrong with the Callous Conservative perspective.




You pretty much exemplify whats wrong with the welfare state.
So much for "agree to disagree..." lol
 
The cruelty is the point. He enjoys the suffering of others, revels in it. If only we could make him and his horrid family poor as paupers for a year left to fend for themselves on the streets of New York, it would be a lesson they would never forget.
 
The cruelty is the point. He enjoys the suffering of others, revels in it. If only we could make him and his horrid family poor as paupers for a year left to fend for themselves on the streets of New York, it would be a lesson they would never forget.

Exactly, when I was a kid, My mother had to go on public assistance for a period of time due to unforeseen circumstances. I dealt with the embarrassment of being in a grocery line having to use food stamps. Most people don't want to be on public assistance. Most want to fend for themselves. And it's because I've been there that I will not judge those that are using SNAP. I get it. And anyone that's grown up having comb their hair with a fork should be all the more empathetic for those who are struggling.
 
Exactly, when I was a kid, My mother had to go on public assistance for a period of time due to unforeseen circumstances. I dealt with the embarrassment of being in a grocery line having to use food stamps. Most people don't want to be on public assistance. Most want to fend for themselves. And it's because I've been there that I will not judge those that are using SNAP. I get it. And anyone that's grown up having comb their hair with a fork should be all the more empathetic for those who are struggling.

I have much of the same background. I was fortunate to earn more money then I thought possible and raised our kids well. I told them over and over again that everyone should be broke at some point in their lives to fully grasp the reality of making it on their own. they both learned that lesson in college when they had to work or get scholarships, taught them the value of money and gave them incredible confidence to weather anything by their own wits and effort. A man like Trump and his spawn have never had that problem which is why I personally believe in steep wealth taxes for those with this kind of wealth.
 
I doubt any of you even know what you are bitching about.

"The rule change would have required able-bodied adults without children to work at least 20 hours a week in order to qualify for SNAP benefits past three months."

This is the same rule change that AOC pissed herself over saying ti would have caused her mother and her siblings to go hungry...demonstrating that she, like you, didn't know what the **** SHE was on about either.

In Maine we had a lot of paper mills with good paying jobs, most located close to forests and nothing else. They closed. There are now a lot of able bodied people without jobs. Gov. LePage decided it would be a good idea to cut federal aid to all those lazy, no good, beer swilling, welfare sucking able-bodied adults and make them go to work. Swell idea, except the nearest jobs were 125+ miles away, and the rest were 175 miles from the now dead mill towns. Another group of able bodied adults with no children that lost assistance were those unemployable because of low cognitive ability. It didn't save any money but it sure increased the misery in an area already depressed because of no work. This scenario has been repeated over and over in states where the economy is based on natural resources.
 
In Maine we had a lot of paper mills with good paying jobs, most located close to forests and nothing else. They closed. There are now a lot of able bodied people without jobs. Gov. LePage decided it would be a good idea to cut federal aid to all those lazy, no good, beer swilling, welfare sucking able-bodied adults and make them go to work. Swell idea, except the nearest jobs were 125+ miles away, and the rest were 175 miles from the now dead mill towns. Another group of able bodied adults with no children that lost assistance were those unemployable because of low cognitive ability. It didn't save any money but it sure increased the misery in an area already depressed because of no work. This scenario has been repeated over and over in states where the economy is based on natural resources.
Guess they better move to someplace with jobs rather than sit around and either starve to death or wait for someone else to take care of them for the rest of their lives. Heres a suggestion...maybe they can ask the illegal immigrants that come into the country how they manage to find full time work and provide for families since these Americans you describe cant seem to manage.
 
Guess they better move to someplace with jobs rather than sit around and either starve to death or wait for someone else to take care of them for the rest of their lives. Heres a suggestion...maybe they can ask the illegal immigrants that come into the country how they manage to find full time work and provide for families since these Americans you describe cant seem to manage.

Most of them can't. Moving costs a lot of money, something that is in rather short supply with the unemployed. And their homes that used to be worth $200,000 to $400,000 are on the market for $75,000 and they aren't selling. People aren't moving to and buying homes in towns with no jobs and 5 months of winter. Actually, most have either created jobs for themselves or they make the 250mile commute every day to a low skill job that pays less than half of what they used to make. Their extended families live near by and provide each other a support system that lends a car, babysits, tides someone over when there are unexpected expenses, drives someone to a doctors appointment 80 miles away, throws a birthday, does a favor. Most contribute and rely on their extended families to keep them off of welfare. Eventually all the kids will move away and get jobs, but, for people over 50, nobody is hiring, anywhere. Better to stay where the home is paid for and there is a family support system in place.

These Mainers are making it, but not always and a little help is sometimes needed. It's always comforting and helps relieve the worry and anxiety to know that the employed and well off think you are a lazy, scum sucking cheat.
 
Most of them can't. Moving costs a lot of money, something that is in rather short supply with the unemployed. And their homes that used to be worth $200,000 to $400,000 are on the market for $75,000 and they aren't selling. People aren't moving to and buying homes in towns with no jobs and 5 months of winter. Actually, most have either created jobs for themselves or they make the 250mile commute every day to a low skill job that pays less than half of what they used to make. Their extended families live near by and provide each other a support system that lends a car, babysits, tides someone over when there are unexpected expenses, drives someone to a doctors appointment 80 miles away, throws a birthday, does a favor. Most contribute and rely on their extended families to keep them off of welfare. Eventually all the kids will move away and get jobs, but, for people over 50, nobody is hiring, anywhere. Better to stay where the home is paid for and there is a family support system in place.

These Mainers are making it, but not always and a little help is sometimes needed. It's always comforting and helps relieve the worry and anxiety to know that the employed and well off think you are a lazy, scum sucking cheat.
You arent describing people that would be affected by the policy described.
 
Trump Pushes to Knock Hundreds of Thousands Off of Food Stamps - Rolling StoneTrump Pushes to Knock Hundreds of Thousands Off of Food Stamps While COVID-19 Death Toll Rises

The USDA wants to remove people from food stamps regardless of the change in the employment environment from coronavirus

While U.S. unemployment claims are shattering an all-time record, due to the coronavirus pandemic, President Trump’s administration is continuing its attempts to throw hundreds of thousands off of the government food-stamp program, known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP).

Earlier this month, U.S. District Court Judge Beryl Howell ruled that a change sought by Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue was unlawful and blocked the agency from enforcing it. According to a report by the AP on Wednesday, Perdue said that the “USDA disagrees with the court’s reasoning and will appeal its decision.”

But Howell’s “reasoning” was spot-on, and Perdue’s insistence with going ahead with an appeal is heartless in the face of a pandemic.

The rule change that the USDA is looking to put in place would halt states’ abilities to waive certain federal work- and time-limit requirements for SNAP recipients. As a result, the change would remove approximately 700,000 people from SNAP rolls starting on April 1st.

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Hmm, I had a sneaky feeling that having a president that doesn't posses the key emotion of empathy might not be a great idea.

Now is the best time to insist on equal protection of the laws for unemployment compensation on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States. That form of minimum compensation can eliminate simple poverty and homelessness when due to a simple lack of income. It does no service to our economy to let any potential market participants not participate in our economy, when they could be circulating capital in our market based economy to increase demand and be paying more of their fair share of the Tax burden. Unemployment compensation at the hypothetical equivalent to fourteen dollars an hour can automatically stabilize our economy and solve simple poverty in the process. We could be lowering the cost Government through automatic application of the laws regarding unemployment on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.

Only the right wing has a problem with rock bottom cost because the Poor may benefit without having to have "a hard work ethic from the Age of Iron" in modern times.
 
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I heard Trump and the GOP are draining the swamp

Turns out that when he said "the swamp", he meant "the working class."
 
Guess they better move to someplace with jobs rather than sit around and either starve to death or wait for someone else to take care of them for the rest of their lives. Heres a suggestion...maybe they can ask the illegal immigrants that come into the country how they manage to find full time work and provide for families since these Americans you describe cant seem to manage.

It is clear to me that you have never seen actual poverty.
 
It is clear to me that you have never seen actual poverty.
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You know less than dick about me. Its bad enough when you know nothing...but when you press your own assumption based on a bias you are committed to, you make yourself look really foolish.
 
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You know less than dick about me. Its bad enough when you know nothing...but when you press your own assumption based on a bias you are committed to, you make yourself look really foolish.

Your statement was all the data I required.
 
Food stamps is a tiny portion of the many "safety net" benefits available to qualifying households. Getting married to someone with a McJob is likely to reduce household "safety net" benefits by more than the added (on the books) income would replace.

Ahhh, so you DO NOT actually believe that "someone is going to get pregnant and have a child (or get married) just so that they can collect 'Food Stamps'" only that you believe that "someone is going to get pregnant and have a child -(or get married)- just so that they can collect 'Food Stamps'".

Thanks for clearing that up.
 
Ahhh, so you DO NOT actually believe that "someone is going to get pregnant and have a child (or get married) just so that they can collect 'Food Stamps'" only that you believe that "someone is going to get pregnant and have a child -(or get married)- just so that they can collect 'Food Stamps'".

Thanks for clearing that up.

You are welcome.
 
People in their families are affected.

No...they are not and if you understood the policy you would know that. This policy ONLY impacts capable able bodied men and women without families...without dependents, and it ONLY requires that they work at a minimum 20 hours a week...barely part time.
 
People in their families are affected.

Two person households should be able to meet basic needs on unemployment compensation at the hypothetical equivalent to fourteen dollars an hour with or without a statutory fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage for labor.
 
No...they are not and if you understood the policy you would know that. This policy ONLY impacts capable able bodied men and women without families...without dependents, and it ONLY requires that they work at a minimum 20 hours a week...barely part time.

Would the same policy make the same amount of sense when the unemployment rate is over 10% than when it is around 3%?

From The Seattle Times

Record 16.8 million have sought US jobless aid since virus

WASHINGTON (AP) — With a startling 6.6 million people seeking unemployment benefits last week, the United States has reached a grim landmark: More than one in 10 workers have lost their jobs in just the past three weeks to the coronavirus outbreak.

The figures collectively constitute the largest and fastest string of job losses in records dating to 1948. By contrast, during the Great Recession it took 44 weeks — roughly 10 months — for unemployment claims to go as high as they now have in less than a month.

The damage to job markets is extending across the world. The equivalent of 195 million full-time jobs could be lost in the second quarter to business shutdowns caused by the viral outbreak, according to the United Nations’ labor organization. It estimates that global unemployment will rise by 25 million this year. And that doesn’t even count workers on reduced hours and pay. Lockdown measures are affecting nearly 2.7 billion workers — about 81 percent of the global workforce — the agency said.

Around half a billion people could sink into poverty as a result of the economic fallout from the coronavirus unless richer countries act to help developing nations, Oxfam, a leading aid organization, warned Thursday.
 
While timing may become a challenge and turn into a PR disaster, I personally don't feel the federal government should be funding a $65+ billion subsidy, especially when roughly 20% of it is spent on the wrong types of products (like soft drinks, sugary drinks, candy, chips, processed foods, etc.). This would be a great opportunity to hand the baton over to each state so they can determine the level of governance and funding available.

Doesn't happen often, but I totally agree with this.
 
Doesn't happen often, but I totally agree with this.

Given the economic advantage of mass purchasing, the logical step would be for the federal government to stop handing out money at all and to immediately institute the distribution of standardized food packages. This would enable the federal government to both reduce bureaucratic expenses, increase the food available per dollar spent, and ensure a healthy diet for those in need.

However, that is not the REALLY logical step to take. The REALLY logical step to take would be fore the federal government to stop handing out money at all and to IMMEDIATELY institute a "national mess hall" system where those in need could all be fed with standardized rations, carefully designed to provide the optimal nutrition for the dollars spent, and professionally prepared so as to ensure the minimum waste in food preparation and service.

That "national mess hall" system would also enable the federal government to locate people who were not in the US legally and/or were wanted for the commission of criminal offences (unless those people chose to starve). That "national mess hall" system could also be used to ensure that every area of the country that was short of workers could have workers from an area with a surplus directed to it by the simple expedient of varying the ability of an area to feed those in need (decreasing it if there was a surplus of workers and increasing it if there was a shortage).

If you combined that "national mess hall" system with a mandatory "federal voter ID registration" system, then almost all of the "illegal immigrant problem" would be eliminated over night.

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