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    Re: Trump Pushes to Knock Hundreds of Thousands Off of Food Stamps While COVID-19 Death Toll Rises

    Quote Originally Posted by weaver2 View Post
    Who are the capable able-bodied men and women without children that would lose aid?

    Parents that don't have primary custody of children_________about 14,500
    Youths that have aged out of foster care __________________about 23,000
    Low income students without family support_______________about 91,000

    That's about 130,000 people that would lose aid. The military spends $2,000,000 on war every minute. If they stopped a war for just 1 minute there would be $18,000 each for the 130,000 that would be denied aid under Trump's plan. Is that so great a savings in a budget of $Bs that we need to take support from people that need it?


    Live or die. Succeed or fail. Choose. But FFS stop whining and crying and claiming you cant do anything about your circumstance.

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    Re: Trump Pushes to Knock Hundreds of Thousands Off of Food Stamps While COVID-19 Death Toll Rises

    Socialism is about equality and in our case, equal protection of the laws regardless of capital even with our form of capitalism. Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States can solve simple poverty and automatically help stabilize our economy.

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    Re: Trump Pushes to Knock Hundreds of Thousands Off of Food Stamps While COVID-19 Death Toll Rises

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Live or die. Succeed or fail. Choose. But FFS stop whining and crying and claiming you cant do anything about your circumstance.
    According to the numbers 91,000 low income students are changing their circumstances by going to college. The kids that just aged out of foster care are 18, out of school, and looking for work.
    Maybe the divorced parents without primary custody are doing all that whining and crying you think you hear.

    Here are some more statistic:
    the average length of time most people get aid of some sort is about 3 years. How Long Do People Receive Assistance?
    And according to the only valid study done to determine how much cheating goes on by people getting assistance, the Orange County, CA study of cheating welfare, showed that about 10% of the families getting aid cheated. The most common cheat, was not reporting extra pay from working extra hours.

    Helping people living in poverty is not socialism. It's just helping people and it's good economic sense. Countries that don't help people living below the poverty line, stress-out their health care system, have debilitated citizens unable to work, low literacy rate, high death rate, people with no or insufficient education, increased crime and violence and a depressed economy.

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    Re: Trump Pushes to Knock Hundreds of Thousands Off of Food Stamps While COVID-19 Death Toll Rises

    Quote Originally Posted by weaver2 View Post
    According to the numbers 91,000 low income students are changing their circumstances by going to college. The kids that just aged out of foster care are 18, out of school, and looking for work.
    Maybe the divorced parents without primary custody are doing all that whining and crying you think you hear.

    Here are some more statistic:
    the average length of time most people get aid of some sort is about 3 years. How Long Do People Receive Assistance?
    And according to the only valid study done to determine how much cheating goes on by people getting assistance, the Orange County, CA study of cheating welfare, showed that about 10% of the families getting aid cheated. The most common cheat, was not reporting extra pay from working extra hours.

    Helping people living in poverty is not socialism. It's just helping people and it's good economic sense. Countries that don't help people living below the poverty line, stress-out their health care system, have debilitated citizens unable to work, low literacy rate, high death rate, people with no or insufficient education, increased crime and violence and a depressed economy.
    There is an interesting calculation that all "welfare" type organizations do and that is (for want of a better term) "cost of loss v. cost of prevention of loss".

    It is (almost) possible to reduce "cost of loss" to nil, but, after a certain point, it costs MORE to prevent $1.00 of loss than the $1.00 of loss.

    Does that mean that the organization has "institutionalized loss"? If you want to look at it that way, yes it does. However, from a business management point of view the organization has made the "smart" decision not to pour money down a rat hole for no gain.

    You might ask yourself why businesses like breweries and distilleries let their employees take "free" product (within limits) and I'll tell you. Because the breweries and distilleries have found that their loss from theft (read as "goods not allowed to be taken but taken by the employees" plummeted and they were actually giving away LESS than the employees had been stealing. In effect the breweries and distilleries were "institutionalizing theft" AND it made good business sense to do so.
    Summary of 20/05/30 COVID-19 (Deaths/Cases) Mortality Statistics
    World (367,437/6,061,366) 6.06% / USA (104,550/1,794,153) 5.83% / Canada (6,979/89,418) 7.80%
    Running update of the COVID-19 data at Daily Statistical Summary of COVID-19

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    Re: Trump Pushes to Knock Hundreds of Thousands Off of Food Stamps While COVID-19 Death Toll Rises

    "Do you think you are powerful? If we don't work ... You won't have any money. You are nobody!"- Chris Smalls, an Amazon employee who organized and led the workers ' strike in New York.

    "Chris Smalls is not very smart, he has mental problems"- Amazon

    Strange, but some, if not many, businessmen, regardless of the scale of the business, believe that they pay people money, and not people earn money for them.
    "They say that Bolshevism is liquidated and buried. Gentlemen grave diggers bury us too early. We are still alive, and the bourgeoisie will repeatedly shake up and tremble from the sounds of our voice "(c) Joseph Stalin, July 1917 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyYrsaWwZw4

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    Re: Trump Pushes to Knock Hundreds of Thousands Off of Food Stamps While COVID-19 Death Toll Rises

    Quote Originally Posted by TU Curmudgeon View Post
    There is an interesting calculation that all "welfare" type organizations do and that is (for want of a better term) "cost of loss v. cost of prevention of loss".

    It is (almost) possible to reduce "cost of loss" to nil, but, after a certain point, it costs MORE to prevent $1.00 of loss than the $1.00 of loss.

    Does that mean that the organization has "institutionalized loss"? If you want to look at it that way, yes it does. However, from a business management point of view the organization has made the "smart" decision not to pour money down a rat hole for no gain.

    You might ask yourself why businesses like breweries and distilleries let their employees take "free" product (within limits) and I'll tell you. Because the breweries and distilleries have found that their loss from theft (read as "goods not allowed to be taken but taken by the employees" plummeted and they were actually giving away LESS than the employees had been stealing. In effect the breweries and distilleries were "institutionalizing theft" AND it made good business sense to do so.
    Equal protection of the laws can lower our tax burden by making it more cost effective for potential privateers to apply for more social unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.

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