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Joe Biden Accused Of Sexually Assaulting Senate Aide In 1993

Winston said:
Stop telling me what I want and what I believe.
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Here it comes! The "please stop holding me accountable for my words" complaint! :lol:
 
Phys251 said:
Here it comes! The "please stop holding me accountable for my words" complaint! :lol:
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Lol, okay. You want to talk about accountability? How many posts have you made going after Republicans who have defended accused men in power of sexual assault? 10% of your posting history?
 
Phys251 said:
That they will. Regardless of the credibility of the accusations, I figured that they would come out.

Not taking a side on this one or future ones yet, just predicting that some if not all of them will be manufactured.
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That wouldn't be much of a surprise.
 
CMPancake said:
Enjoy your rapist candidate losing the 2020 Presidential election. Don't say I didn't warn you.
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Ah yes, because what we should have done is have the guy who lost to the “rapist candidate” run instead. Brilliant thinking :roll:
 
Tigerace117 said:
Ah yes, because what we should have done is have the guy who lost to the “rapist candidate” run instead. Brilliant thinking :roll:
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You know, we could just not run a rapist candidate who's personally responsible for almost everything currently wrong with America. That was an option, but Liberals don't actually care about sexual assault, poverty, or pandemics.
 
Winston said:
Lol, okay. You want to talk about accountability? How many posts have you made going after Republicans who have defended accused men in power of sexual assault?
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:2funny:

Oh this is getting better by the minute.

First, you deflect from accountability with a complete whataboutism.

And then you write this absolute gem:

10% of your posting history?
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In case math is not your strong suit, 10% of 26,103 is over 2600 posts. :lol: And for the record, I spent a lot of time bashing Kavanaugh, so you can take your manufactured outrage elsewhere. :)

Now, where were we. You felt entitled to tell me to...

Winston said:
Stop telling me what I want and what I believe.
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That is the typical all-give-and-no-take attitude put forth by Sanders supporters. They feel entitled to fling as much toxicity and venom at "the establishment" as they can muster, but if they receive one single word of criticism of their tactics or of their Dear Leader in return, they throw a tantrum. Just like you're doing right now.
 
CMPancake said:
You know, we could just not run a rapist candidate who's personally responsible for almost everything currently wrong with America. That was an option, but Liberals don't actually care about sexual assault, poverty, or pandemics.
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:lamo
 
CMPancake said:
You know, we could just not run a rapist candidate who's personally responsible for almost everything currently wrong with America. That was an option, but Liberals don't actually care about sexual assault, poverty, or pandemics.
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Yeah, instead we could run the guy who shot himself in the foot numerous times and had to be prodded into reaching out to his own ideological allies in the first place.....and who lost to the guy whose “personally responsible for almost everything currently wrong with America”. Again, brilliant thinking :roll:

But hey, maybe he’d find a new and inventive way to lose. After all, defending communist dictators is such a routine way for the far left to lose by one would think the collective you’d be tired of it by now.
 
CMPancake said:
So does Biden need to sexually harass and/or assault 25 women for you to care, or do you just not care because Biden is a democrat.
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Actually if Biden is guilty then he should drop out. But I sure as hell have never seen any Trumpers say that about the tangerine turd.
 
CMPancake said:
You know, we could just not run a rapist candidate who's personally responsible for almost everything currently wrong with America. That was an option, but Liberals don't actually care about sexual assault, poverty, or pandemics.
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FFS. You are clearly not to be taken seriously.
 
Phys251 said:
:2funny:

Oh this is getting better by the minute.

First, you deflect from accountability with a complete whataboutism.

And then you write this absolute gem:



In case math is not your strong suit, 10% of 26,103 is over 2600 posts. :lol: And for the record, I spent a lot of time bashing Kavanaugh, so you can take your manufactured outrage elsewhere. :)

Now, where were we. You felt entitled to tell me to...



That is the typical all-give-and-no-take attitude put forth by Sanders supporters. They feel entitled to fling as much toxicity and venom at "the establishment" as they can muster, but if they receive one single word of criticism of their tactics or of their Dear Leader in return, they throw a tantrum. Just like you're doing right now.
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What am I to be held to account for? This isn't a trial. My critique of the political establishment that gave us the Iraq War is well founded. So, being held to account for true statements about the political class is no mark of shame. So, what are you on about? You're the one deflecting to wikileaks and whatever other nonsense you found on Neera Tanden's Twitter feed to bash your manufactured image of Bernie supporter's with.

So, my position on electing rapists is virtually unchanged: don't do it. How about yours?
 
Winston said:
What am I to be held to account for? This isn't a trial.
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There it is again! :lamo

Clearly you are confused about how this works. You believe that you are entitled to say whatever you want to say without being held accountable for those words.
When you're ready to change your tune, feel free to let me know. I'll be waiting. :2wave:
 
Phys251 said:
There it is again! :lamo

Clearly you are confused about how this works. You believe that you are entitled to say whatever you want to say without being held accountable for those words.
When you're ready to change your tune, feel free to let me know. I'll be waiting. :2wave:
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Right, what am I held accountable for, exactly? Critiquing "the establishment" both media and political? Yes. I do that.

Detective Phys on the case!

Meanwhile no mention of your blatant hypocrisy on the ACTUAL TOPIC of this thread.
 
Winston said:
Right, what am I held accountable for, exactly? Critiquing "the establishment" both media and political? Yes. I do that.

Detective Phys on the case!

Meanwhile no mention of your blatant hypocrisy on the ACTUAL TOPIC of this thread.
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From the alleged victim:

“Through my lens, President Putin brought a chaotic and failed nation to become a vibrant, creative, economic force within a decade. I don’t care what your politics; just admit that his sheer, calculated vision and willful energy brought Russia back to be a world power. Now, I said this to a friend recently, she waved her glass of Merlot at me and began the “anti-Russia” lecture we all have come in America to memorize, a tale of spies, oligarchs, rigged elections and murders. I start to drift. I listen to the Sade song playing in the background “The Sweetest Taboo” as she speaks. When she finishes, I say, “Well, he is very good to women, holds them in high regard.”

Vladimir Putin recently approved a bill which decriminalized some forms of domestic abuse, in a country where domestic abuse has been rampant for years.

She goes on to say

“ President Putin’s genius is his judo ability to conserve his own energy and let the opponents flail, using up their energy, while he gains position. Currently, President Putin has a higher approval rating in America then the American President, particularly with women. President Putin has an alluring combination of strength with gentleness. His sensuous image projects his love for life, the embodiment of grace while facing adversity. It is evident that he loves his country, his people and his job. Although his job may seem like in the words of writer, Elizabeth Gilbert on genius, “ trying to swallow the sun.” This is a whole lot to deal with for one mere mortal… President Putin’s obvious reverence for women, children and animals, and his ability with sports is intoxicating to American women.”

“Fawning” may not have been a strong enough term. Not to mention, of course, that the alleged victim totally handwaves away the numerous murders of domestic dissidents, the systematic abuse of human rights, the fact that Russia actually is a autocracy where oligarchs run the show......

As for why she thinks KGB Vlad is such a great guy?

“ I never bought the whole America is fighting for democracy all over the world byline. In fact, after reading authors like Noam Chomsky, my eyes opened to the great extent of our nation’s hypocrisy and imperialism. After college, I worked for the Congress, then the Senate and the California State Senate. I also worked as a political operative for a congressional race and key judge race. All this experience opened my eyes to see America, as it is, not a democracy at all but a corporate autocracy. In other words, corporations run America. So all this background is why I had a wide-open mind unfettered by American anti Russia propaganda to actually appreciate Russia.”.

Why a Liberal Democrat Supports Vladimir Putin – Alexandra Tara Reade, J.D. – Medium

So yes, given her statements it is not at all unusual for people to demand a higher standard of proof as to her accusations.
 
cpwill said:
Ah, but you know who did come out in favor of that position?

Joe Biden. :)
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I'm aware. It's hypocrisy on his part, no doubt. The whole issue is drowning in hypocrisy. Kavanaugh was quick to believe Clinton's accusers, while Democrats were quickly to take his at face value. On and on, we can go of each side weaponizing shaky accusations before the facts are out, and hide behind a bandwagon effect.

Hm. And were you equally highly suspect when Ford only suddenly remembered that Kavanaugh had raped her when he got out forward as a potential SCOTUS justice?
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YES. I was one of the few liberals to say so of both her accusations, and the absurd ones brought by that Swetnick character.
Does the news since then that she was motivated by the desire to "put an asterisk next to his name in case he ever ruled on ROE" impact that suspicion?
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Didn't know that. That really makes me doubt her credibility if she said that.

Along with moderate progressives. People are generally awful, and tribalism encourages that.
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Yeah, but the progressive wing of the Democratic party and the MAGA wing of the Republican party are particularly vile.

This woman was a staffer for Biden, and is still a member of the same party. I don't think there is as much a political difference.
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You aren't aware of the civil war within the DNC right now. Sanders supporters hate Biden even more than Trump. They have accused him of being everything from genocide to child molestation.

Solid Concur. I would also point out, however, that we are naturally quicker to reach for that explanation when the person being accused is someone we support politically.
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We've all been inconsistent because we've allowed how we view these people on a human level to cloud our judgement. I'm not proud of it, but I've jumped to conclusions too fast, and unfairly condemned someone. I've learned my lesson and I have tried to be more careful with the facts.
 
Tigerace117 said:
From the alleged victim:

“Through my lens, President Putin brought a chaotic and failed nation to become a vibrant, creative, economic force within a decade. I don’t care what your politics; just admit that his sheer, calculated vision and willful energy brought Russia back to be a world power. Now, I said this to a friend recently, she waved her glass of Merlot at me and began the “anti-Russia” lecture we all have come in America to memorize, a tale of spies, oligarchs, rigged elections and murders. I start to drift. I listen to the Sade song playing in the background “The Sweetest Taboo” as she speaks. When she finishes, I say, “Well, he is very good to women, holds them in high regard.”

Vladimir Putin recently approved a bill which decriminalized some forms of domestic abuse, in a country where domestic abuse has been rampant for years.

She goes on to say

“ President Putin’s genius is his judo ability to conserve his own energy and let the opponents flail, using up their energy, while he gains position. Currently, President Putin has a higher approval rating in America then the American President, particularly with women. President Putin has an alluring combination of strength with gentleness. His sensuous image projects his love for life, the embodiment of grace while facing adversity. It is evident that he loves his country, his people and his job. Although his job may seem like in the words of writer, Elizabeth Gilbert on genius, “ trying to swallow the sun.” This is a whole lot to deal with for one mere mortal… President Putin’s obvious reverence for women, children and animals, and his ability with sports is intoxicating to American women.”

“Fawning” may not have been a strong enough term. Not to mention, of course, that the alleged victim totally handwaves away the numerous murders of domestic dissidents, the systematic abuse of human rights, the fact that Russia actually is a autocracy where oligarchs run the show......

As for why she thinks KGB Vlad is such a great guy?

“ I never bought the whole America is fighting for democracy all over the world byline. In fact, after reading authors like Noam Chomsky, my eyes opened to the great extent of our nation’s hypocrisy and imperialism. After college, I worked for the Congress, then the Senate and the California State Senate. I also worked as a political operative for a congressional race and key judge race. All this experience opened my eyes to see America, as it is, not a democracy at all but a corporate autocracy. In other words, corporations run America. So all this background is why I had a wide-open mind unfettered by American anti Russia propaganda to actually appreciate Russia.”.

Why a Liberal Democrat Supports Vladimir Putin – Alexandra Tara Reade, J.D. – Medium

So yes, given her statements it is not at all unusual for people to demand a higher standard of proof as to her accusations.
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It's not a direct quote from Reade, but worth noting that she said in this interview she didn't feel sexually threatened by Biden in her original story.

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The fact that she is a militant Sanders supporter, and that she only provided this account of Biden grabbing her vagina is when Sanders collapsed should send up obvious red flags. Even more, she went to Sanders surrogates (who hate Biden themselves) with her new story, instead of someone that could really assess her story like Farrow is also suspect.

Biden might have done something wrong, but I wouldn't put any stock in this nutcase.
 
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CMPancake said:
Joe Biden Accused Of Sexually Assaulting Senate Aide In 1993 | HuffPost



The bolded above is the most disturbing part to me. The cult-like behavior Biden stans have to bully and silence a potential victim of sexual assault is abhorrent and should be condemned.
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Speaking as somebody who voted for Sanders in the Primary, I actually don't think this is going to move the needle. The American people are exhausted by a broken fire hydrant of scandals and crises. They just want a Democrat in and Trump out.

I don't know if the accusation is true, and I really hope it isn't, but that's just the national temperature right now.
 
Cardinal said:
Speaking as somebody who voted for Sanders in the Primary, I actually don't think this is going to move the needle. The American people are exhausted by a broken fire hydrant of scandals and crises. They just want a Democrat in and Trump out.

I don't know if the accusation is true, and I really hope it isn't, but that's just the national temperature right now.
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It's also smells of Trump's cologne -- attacking an opponent on where he is the weakest. (i.e. her foundation, "crooked Hillary.") So the guy who literally admitted to illegally grabbing women by the *****, attacking Biden for a lesser offense.
 
Is this where Biden says "she's not my type"? This is going to be an ugly year.
 
MTAtech said:
It's also smells of Trump's cologne -- attacking an opponent on where he is the weakest. (i.e. her foundation, "crooked Hillary.") So the guy who literally admitted to illegally grabbing women by the *****, attacking Biden for a lesser offense.
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That's true, but then that's always the case. Every Democratic candidate had one sin, and Trump possessed much worse versions of every one of those sins.

Regardless, my take on the temperature of the country with regards to Democratic failings, great or small, is that Americans will cross that bridge after Trump is gone. That's not a super inspiring way to choose the next leader of the free world (an office that won't exist in Washington DC if Trump wins a second term) but that's just the reality of the depths Trump has brought us to.
 
"For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you've got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she's talking about is real"

- Joe Biden
 
hermit said:
I voted for Hillary twice and I voted for Amy Klobuchar this time.

I think white men should sit out the presidential election for years to come. I have had enough of their sexual shenanigans. You can pretty well bet 100% that a female president would not bring this kind of baggage with her to office. Obama didn't either...no sexual scandals there. A good person all around.

But it is white males who are left standing in this election so what can you do? I won't not vote.
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You make some good points (minus Hillary & the white guy stuff), but depending on where you live - if your vote matters - you may want to think 3rd party.

Rewarding either criminal gang is not good for anyone.
 
MovingPictures said:
Well, I'm not one of these SJW progressives that adheres to the "believe all accusers" bull****, so it's not a problem for me to call out her credibility.

The fact that she was brave enough a year ago to give an account of Biden being inappropriate that lacked the element of her being assaulted is interesting. What makes it go from interesting to very suspect is the fact that she is a rabid Bernie Bro, and this element of her story only shows up suddenly, after Sanders dramatic fall as the front runner is highly suspect to say the least.

Sorry, but rabid progressives have shown themselves to be capable of disgusting smear campaigns that are frankly, as vile as Trump supporters at this point.

Is it possible she's telling the truth? Yeah, but I tend to doubt it. This screams of political opportunism like what we saw against Clinton, Kavanaugh, Franken, and yes, even Trump. When an accuser just happens to be someone that has serious political differences with the accused, it's common sense to consider whether the accusation is politically based.

I'm not saying the men I cited as examples have done nothing wrong. Most of them have. But, the idea that an accused can have some accusers that are telling the truth, and others with malicious motives should not be a hard concept for us all to retain intellectually.
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She's a Warren supporter who switched to Bernie when Warren dropped out.

Calling her a rabid Bernie Bro is sickeningly dishonest.
 
Top Cat said:
And your response to 25 women accusing the Tangerine Turd of sexual assault? They are all liars no doubt. Deflect my ass.
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^ ^More deflection.

:shrug:
 
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