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Joe Biden Accused Of Sexually Assaulting Senate Aide In 1993

CMPancake said:
The bolded above is the most disturbing part to me. The cult-like behavior Biden stans have to bully and silence a potential victim of sexual assault is abhorrent and should be condemned.
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She's a Bernie Bro who'll do anything to get Bernie to win.






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upsideguy said:
No, but you lack the standing to even bring up this issue. I will await from someone with credibility to suggest there is something to see here.

For one, if this were a sincere concern of yours (and everyone here knows its not), you wouldn't be Trump supporter...
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CMPancake said:
Just as a running tally, the response from Liberals has been:

A) The victim should not be trusted because she has questionable political beliefs. B) It shouldn't matter because Donald Trump has more sexual assault allegations. And C) We shouldn't talk about this sexual assault allegation because Donald Trump needs to lose the election.

I thought in 2016 Liberals decided that they were better than this, and that victims of sexual assault should have their allegations taken seriously. Continuing to support a candidate with an infamous history of inapporpirately touching people is dangerous and only goes to aide in Donald Trump's reelection.
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:( In the 1990s, Liberals decided that they weren't. Tribalism is a helluva drug.
 
Manc Skipper said:
How many threads on the same topic? It's an age old conundrum..
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Odd how you don't seem to mind the thousands of Trump threads on the same topic.
That's different though, right?
 
hermit said:
If it's true what she said, then go after Biden and prosecute him.

But for crying out loud, Trump has already set the standard for this type of behavior and obviously sexual assault of females doesn't matter when you are running for President or when you are President.

So get real. Trump followers have NO leg to stand on in this matter.
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OH, okay, we can play this game: Does that mean that Democrats, given their defense of Bill Clinton, are wrong to point out Trump's many abuses?

OR

And, agreeably, this is sort of a radical position, so, stick with me for a second on it....


What if it's bad, no matter who's doing it?
 
Anything any Democrat is ever alleged to have done to a woman is not a problem anymore because TRUMP!

#believeherunlessdemocratthenTRUMP
 
Tigerace117 said:
Someone who describes Vladimir Putin as a “compassionate, caring, visionary leader”, as Reid did, automatically has a higher bar of credibility to clear.
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I have not seen anyone link this, though I have seen accusations of her support for/love for Putin fall apart upon inspection (specifically, Tansgrinnr's attempt to claim she was a nutcase on Dr Phil). Generally you are pretty credible, though - do you have a link to this statement by her?
 
Honestly the coverage regarding this is not dissimilar to the mental gymnastics the media and punditsphere demonstrated in excusing and minimizing Bloomberg's own missteps with women back when he was thought to be the only viable moderate alternative to Sanders; sadly all the more evidence that establishment Dems and their allies only really seem to care about championing women and speaking out against sexual assault so long as it can be weaponized or otherwise leveraged to service their political ends and is as a stance totally disposable when inconvenient, even going so far as to smear apparent victims.
 
cpwill said:
I have not seen anyone link this, though I have seen accusations of her support for/love for Putin fall apart upon inspection (specifically, Tansgrinnr's attempt to claim she was a nutcase on Dr Phil). Generally you are pretty credible, though - do you have a link to this statement by her?
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The Intercept article mentions it— don’t know if any other sources have mentioned it, but she didn’t deny writing the article.

Time’s Up Declines to Fund Joe Biden #MeToo Allegation

“ The references to Dovere, a reporter with The Atlantic, and Painter stem from their Twitter posts that highlighted favorable comments Reade had made about Putin in a now-deleted post on Medium. “What if I told you that everything you learned about Russia was wrong?” she had written in one 2018 post. “President Putin scares the power elite in America because he is a compassionate, caring, visionary leader. … To President Putin, I say keep your eyes to the beautiful future and maybe, just maybe America will come to see Russia as I do, with eyes of love. To all my Russian friends, happy holiday and Happy New Year.””

She apparently tried to justify her comments by invoking “imperialism” and “skepticism of American exceptionalism”.

The irony of using “imperialism” as an excuse to support Vladimir Putin, while ignoring his Crimean adventure, apparently still hasn’t registered with some on the left.
 
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cpwill said:
OH, okay, we can play this game: Does that mean that Democrats, given their defense of Bill Clinton, are wrong to point out Trump's many abuses?

OR

And, agreeably, this is sort of a radical position, so, stick with me for a second on it....


What if it's bad, no matter who's doing it?
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Of course it's bad no matter who's doing it.

I said prosecute Biden if he did something wrong. But to me it's a double standard. Trump set the bar. Clinton was a long time ago and who care? Kennedy was a womanizer as well and that was yesterday.

Trump is today. And if he can grab 'em by the pu**y and be accused of countless situations of sexual assault, and nobody cares enough to boot him from office (let alone put him in office in the first place), then anything goes.

No man should get a pass for sexually mistreating females but it happens ALL the time. So let's transform our entire society, I'm all for that. But in the meantime, if Trump gets pass after pass, then so does Biden.
 
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CMPancake said:
Tara Reade's allegations have not changed over time. Please do not dishonestly slander a potential victim of sexual assault.



You're attempting to poison the well of a potential victim of sexual assault. You need to take a step back and see just how poor the optics are on that.



The story has been picked up by Media from both left and right-wing spectrums. What media source do you need to publish this story in order to take the allegations seriously?



This isn't a matter of elections, or ideology. You're attempting to bury a sexual assault allegation for no real reason but to defend the accused. Reade was hesitant to speak publicly of her sexual assault because of people like yourself.
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It’s.....interesting how she didn’t actually include the claim of assault last year when she first came forwards. Like I said before, her story has shifted....funnily enough, right along with the rapidly declining chances of Bernie Sanders being the nominee.

Funny how that works.

We’ve already established that it’s supposedly okay to go on about what good things a brutal communist dictatorship does this election season, so I’m not too concerned about “optics”.

Again, my main point is that the situation requires a higher standard of proof than normal due to, amongst other factors, the alleged victim’s sketchy political beliefs and praise of a brutal dictator.

Funny how her “hesitancy” disappeared along with Bernie’s chances.
 
hermit said:
Of course it's bad no matter who's doing it.

I said prosecute Biden if he did something wrong. But to me it's a double standard.
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People who excuse Clinton and Trump's behavior are absolutely being hypocrites, and showing that they value tribalism more than actually protecting women from sexual predators when they excuse or seek to defend "their" guys for it.

Trump set the bar.
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No - Trump failed to clear the bar. Simply because someone wins an election does not mean their previous actions were moral or acceptable.

Clinton was a long time ago and who care?
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Probably his victims.

Kennedy was a womanizer as well and that was yesterday.
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Not really with the people around today, and yes, that should definitely tarnish Kennedy's memory.

Trump is today. And if he can grab 'em by the pu**y and be accused of countless situations of sexual assault, and nobody cares enough to boot him from office (or even put him in office in the first place), then anything goes.
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No, it doesn't. One abuse does not excuse another simply because that other happens to be a member of a different tribe.


No man should get a pass for sexually mistreating females but it happens ALL the time. So let's transform our entire society, I'm all for that. But in the meantime, if Trump gets pass after pass, then so does Biden.
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Then your moral compass is as broken as those you complain about. Why is Trump bad and unacceptable, if you are suddenly willing to accept it on your own side?
 
cpwill said:
People who excuse Clinton and Trump's behavior are absolutely being hypocrites, and showing that they value tribalism more than actually protecting women from sexual predators when they excuse or seek to defend "their" guys for it.



No - Trump failed to clear the bar. Simply because someone wins an election does not mean their previous actions were moral or acceptable.



Probably his victims.



Not really with the people around today, and yes, that should definitely tarnish Kennedy's memory.



No, it doesn't. One abuse does not excuse another simply because that other happens to be a member of a different tribe.




Then your moral compass is as broken as those you complain about. Why is Trump bad and unacceptable, if you are suddenly willing to accept it on your own side?
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Bold: Look around.
 
Tigerace117 said:
The Intercept article mentions it— don’t know if any other sources have mentioned it, but she didn’t deny writing the article.

Time’s Up Declines to Fund Joe Biden #MeToo Allegation

“ The references to Dovere, a reporter with The Atlantic, and Painter stem from their Twitter posts that highlighted favorable comments Reade had made about Putin in a now-deleted post on Medium. “What if I told you that everything you learned about Russia was wrong?” she had written in one 2018 post. “President Putin scares the power elite in America because he is a compassionate, caring, visionary leader. … To President Putin, I say keep your eyes to the beautiful future and maybe, just maybe America will come to see Russia as I do, with eyes of love. To all my Russian friends, happy holiday and Happy New Year.””

She apparently tried to justify her comments by invoking “imperialism” and “skepticism of American exceptionalism”.

The irony of using “imperialism” as an excuse to support Vladimir Putin, while ignoring his Crimean adventure, apparently still hasn’t registered with some on the left.
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Fair enough - she definitely sounds like a Bernie Sanders fan. Though I understand she started off as a Biden fan before things there went south.

Is being a Bernie Sanders fan enough to say that you should be disbelieved or looked at more skeptically when you come forward as a victim of sexual assault?
 
cpwill said:
Fair enough - she definitely sounds like a Bernie Sanders fan. Though I understand she started off as a Biden fan before things there went south.

Is being a Bernie Sanders fan enough to say that you should be disbelieved or looked at more skeptically when you come forward as a victim of sexual assault?
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Honestly it was the Putin comments which made me need a higher level of proof if one is to buy into her statements; after all, if one’s moral compass is so far off that you refer to Putin— a man who has murdered who knows how many innocent people— as “caring and compassionate”— then doing something as awful as lying about sexual assault isn’t as remote a possibility as I would usually think it would be.

The fact that she didn’t make statements about an assault when she came forwards last year and only did so after Bernie’s chances of winning the nomination were torpedoed also adds to my skepticism.

Is it possible she’s telling the truth? Yes, and I honestly hope that no one would lie about such a thing. But people do, sadly.
 
At this point if I was the DNC, I would just replace Biden with Cuomo at the convention, incur the wrath of the Bernie Bros andhead into the general without Biden. Biden is vulnerable on so many issues, and this one will be salient. How are you going to count on women to deliver you the WH when they have to choose between two accused sexual deviants?
 
Winston said:
At this point if I was the DNC, I would just replace Biden with Cuomo at the convention, incur the wrath of the Bernie Bros andhead into the general without Biden. Biden is vulnerable on so many issues, and this one will be salient. How are you going to count on women to deliver you the WH when they have to choose between two accused sexual deviants?
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Trump won the whitehouse despite losing the woman vote overall. Well, white women voted for him, but besides them, he lost the woman vote.

And Cuomo? One New Yorker with mob connections in the whitehouse is enough, don't need another.
 
Puigb said:
Trump won the whitehouse despite losing the woman vote overall. Well, white women voted for him, but besides them, he lost the woman vote.

And Cuomo? One New Yorker with mob connections in the whitehouse is enough, don't need another.
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One of Biden's strong suits is suburban women. Good luck selling Biden to them after this. Maybe they won't care? But, maybe you lose enough of them in swing districts to hand Trump reelection. A Biden candidacy is toxic to Democrats on so many levels. You'd have a better shot with Bernie or anyone, really. Hell, replace him with Booker. He'd fair better.
 
Winston said:
One of Biden's strong suits is suburban women. Good luck selling Biden to them after this. Maybe they won't care? But, maybe you lose enough of them in swing districts to hand Trump reelection. A Biden candidacy is toxic to Democrats on so many levels. You'd have a better shot with Bernie or anyone, really. Hell, replace him with Booker. He'd fair better.
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I agree with Booker actually, as he would do well with the black/minority vote. Bernie I've seen no evidence.

But seriously though, you do realize the allegations against Biden are weak, right? Suburban women arguably went to Trump last election, so I'm not sure it really matters any more.
 
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Winston said:
At this point if I was the DNC, I would just replace Biden with Cuomo at the convention, incur the wrath of the Bernie Bros andhead into the general without Biden. Biden is vulnerable on so many issues, and this one will be salient. How are you going to count on women to deliver you the WH when they have to choose between two accused sexual deviants?
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I hope to god we can find someone better than Cuomo though; the guy is a slime. Look at how he handled the Moreland Commission.
 
cpwill said:
People who excuse Clinton and Trump's behavior are absolutely being hypocrites, and showing that they value tribalism more than actually protecting women from sexual predators when they excuse or seek to defend "their" guys for it.



No - Trump failed to clear the bar. Simply because someone wins an election does not mean their previous actions were moral or acceptable.



Probably his victims.



Not really with the people around today, and yes, that should definitely tarnish Kennedy's memory.



No, it doesn't. One abuse does not excuse another simply because that other happens to be a member of a different tribe.




Then your moral compass is as broken as those you complain about. Why is Trump bad and unacceptable, if you are suddenly willing to accept it on your own side?
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My moral compass is hardly broken, but sometimes you have to deal with reality. This is war and you have to fight fire with fire.

I am not looking the other way at the things Biden has been accused of. But I am resigned to the fact there is nothing I can do about it at this time. I choose to vote for the lesser of the two evils and Biden is by FAR the lesser of the two evils in this situation.

Remember that females are gaining more and more power in society every single day, and what is acceptable behavior with regard to the way we treat females in our culture is changing. The me too movement, the women marches, all the females running for office--including running for President on the Dem party--don't look now but in no time things will be different. Men will not get a pass like they still do now.

But we're still dealing with a society that tacitly approves of the way men treat women, and that is reality. And you have to work inside reality to affect the changes you seek. That is my experience and I stand by it.
 
Surrealistik said:
I hope to god we can find someone better than Cuomo though; the guy is a slime. Look at how he handled the Moreland Commission.
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Just curious, besides Bernie, who else would you consider acceptable, at least policy wise?
 
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