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Joe Biden's accuser finally tells her full story - Katie Halper's interview with Tara Reade

Top Cat said:
All of a sudden women are credible? Go figure.
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let's ask joe the questions about this in the next debate and determine how credible he seems in response
 
Top Cat said:
Fair enough. When does Trump come clean?
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"clean" and "tRump" should never be used in the same sentence

and as dirty as tRump is on this topic, have no doubt he will raise it to smear joe. so, let's see what joe has to say now before he becomes the official ass of the DNC
 
holbritter said:
I'd say it's pretty obvious she likes to make things up. She should be dismissed.
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That's the way I feel about all these unsubstantiated accusations. Ever since Ms. Sulkowicz better known as "Mattress Girl"
of Columbia participated in a smear & harassment campaign against Paul Nungesser, I give almost everyone accused the
benefit of the doubt with the only possible exception of Harvey Wenstein.

Gellibrand who ran for president was so easily duped by "Mattress Girl" she actually
honored the "Mattress Girl" of Columbia by inviting her to Obama's State of the Union address in 2015.
Nungesser, who, for good reason, has been found innocent by all investigating bodies.” Columbia 'mattress girl'
made rape claim after being scorned.

So as a Trump supporter I feel Joe has nothing to worry about these unsubstantiated claims of decades ago.
 
justabubba said:
let's ask joe the questions about this in the next debate and determine how credible he seems in response
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He'll accuse Reade of having 9 super PACs...
 
cpwill said:
She did indeed change her story.



No, she was instead an expert at creating false memories.



Sort of. She claimed to have been abused, and then later claimed to have been raped, but she couldn't remember by who, "remembering" that it was Kavanaugh only when he got brought up as a possible SCOTUS judge. Her attorney has since admitted that part of Ford's motivation was to place an "Asterisk" next to his name, should he rule on Roe.



I can understand someone only feeling more comfortable coming forward over time, just as I can understand someone changing their story over time (and believing it each time they change it), just as I can understand someone rationally concluding that one who changes their story over time is probably telling a story that - in and of itself - is less trustworthy.

However, less time has passed as in Ford's case.



As was Ford's social media history.



So, I saw Tansgrinnr try a variant of this accusation, but it fell apart without supporting evidence, and turned out (seemingly) to have been entirely made up. Do you have a credible link for that claim?



Mirroring Ford's insistence that she suddenly remembered not only being assaulted, but being raped, and that it was Kavanaugh who did it, as soon as he started being discussed as a potential SCOTUS nominee.



Actually those odd words "Cmon Man, I thought you liked me" I can absolutely hear Biden saying. That sounds like exactly his level of awkward, though the "you're nothing to me" afterwards seems less so.
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Ford always claimed attempted rape. You would need to show her story changed. She testified to attempted rape.

There are two separate claims about Putin in this. One was absolutely written by Alexandra Tara Reade, the one making the accusation.

Tara Reade: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

She wrote the stuff in the third point on this "facts" page on her blog, praising Putin. This is most likely why she was tied (wrongly or not) to the woman who claimed to be in love and loved by Putin who was on Dr Phil (for what it's worth, it would definitely take solid confirmation for me to believe they are the same women, despite their resemblances). She did write praises of Putin, claiming she simply wasn't expressing xenophobia, but in fact her blogs went further, alleging our media was lying about Russia and Putin.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...-out-461cdf4dfcaf&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1&vwsrc=0

Here's the one originally referenced.

https://images.app.goo.gl/C2R7dzsehM2rxwYv7




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roguenuke said:
Ford always claimed attempted rape. You would need to show her story changed. She testified to attempted rape.
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:shrug: Ford's story did indeed change, as I linked for you.

Nor, according to your link, has Reade's story necessarily changed that much - she initially said she was inappropriately touched, and later provided greater detail, which agreeably constituted a worse accusation.

There are two separate claims about Putin in this. One was absolutely written by Alexandra Tara Reade, the one making the accusation.

Tara Reade: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

She wrote the stuff in the third point on this "facts" page on her blog, praising Putin. This is most likely why she was tied (wrongly or not) to the woman who claimed to be in love and loved by Putin who was on Dr Phil (for what it's worth, it would definitely take solid confirmation for me to believe they are the same women, despite their resemblances). She did write praises of Putin, claiming she simply wasn't expressing xenophobia, but in fact her blogs went further, alleging our media was lying about Russia and Putin.
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This is the quote the Intercept is citing (and thank you for that link)

“What if I told you that everything you learned about Russia was wrong? President Putin scares the power elite in America because he is a compassionate, caring, visionary leader. … To President Putin, I say keep your eyes to the beautiful future and maybe, just maybe America will come to see Russia as I do, with eyes of love. To all my Russian friends, happy holiday and Happy New Year.”

So.... because a woman has a political opinion you disagree with... she should be taken less seriously as a potential sexual assault victim?

okedoke. What other political positions should reduce the credibility of women who claim to be sexual assault victims? Which ones should increase their credibility?
 
zimmer said:
Rape allegation.



#Ibelievetara ... trending #1 on twitter.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/IBelieveTara?src=tren

I wonder if some people will remember Christine Blasey Ford and her story that had more holes than all the Swiss Cheese in this world.

Unlike Ballsey... who is a Hate Trumper, this is a former Democrat staffer... with a clear recollection.

Let’s see how the Goebbels Media handles this.

Convenient timing... as everyone can see Biden is not playing with a full deck.
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Who’s everyone? Don’t lump me in with your retarded ass falling for this ****.
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: Ford's story did indeed change, as I linked for you.

Nor, according to your link, has Reade's story necessarily changed that much - she initially said she was inappropriately touched, and later provided greater detail, which agreeably constituted a worse accusation.



This is the quote the Intercept is citing (and thank you for that link)

“What if I told you that everything you learned about Russia was wrong? President Putin scares the power elite in America because he is a compassionate, caring, visionary leader. … To President Putin, I say keep your eyes to the beautiful future and maybe, just maybe America will come to see Russia as I do, with eyes of love. To all my Russian friends, happy holiday and Happy New Year.”

So.... because a woman has a political opinion you disagree with... she should be taken less seriously as a potential sexual assault victim?

okedoke. What other political positions should reduce the credibility of women who claim to be sexual assault victims? Which ones should increase their credibility?
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Stop being logical.

It won't work & it'll upset people who can't process rational thought.
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: Ford's story did indeed change, as I linked for you.

Nor, according to your link, has Reade's story necessarily changed that much - she initially said she was inappropriately touched, and later provided greater detail, which agreeably constituted a worse accusation.



This is the quote the Intercept is citing (and thank you for that link)

“What if I told you that everything you learned about Russia was wrong? President Putin scares the power elite in America because he is a compassionate, caring, visionary leader. … To President Putin, I say keep your eyes to the beautiful future and maybe, just maybe America will come to see Russia as I do, with eyes of love. To all my Russian friends, happy holiday and Happy New Year.”

So.... because a woman has a political opinion you disagree with... she should be taken less seriously as a potential sexual assault victim?

okedoke. What other political positions should reduce the credibility of women who claim to be sexual assault victims? Which ones should increase their credibility?
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That isnt all she wrote though. I posted more. She wrote some things stating specifically that she believed Putin was a wonderful leader and more Americans viewed him positively than our current President is viewed. Things you conveniently left out in what you quoted.

She is wrong, lied, misread, whatever the Mueller report, implying that it cleared Russia of any interference in our last Presidential election. That is not true at all.

"Statement by Dmitry Peskov, President Vladimir Putin’s spokesman, statement in response to the findings of ‘no collusion” with Russia by the Mueller two year investigation."

This comment is from the second article she wrote, and starts that one, implying that Russia was cleared, along with Trump. We know there are still indicted Russians for interference.

Joe Biden's Sexual Assault Accuser Wants To Be Able To Speak Out Without Fear of 'Powerful Men'

Show how Fords story changed. And no, Reades story changed in more ways than just going from she was inappropriately touched to sexually assaulted. I pointed out two instances where details in her story have changed. And her story, written by her, sounds like a creative writing assignment that leaves out some key details to determining where exactly it happened, and when, things important to verifying the validity of it.

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roguenuke said:
That isnt all she wrote though. I posted more. She wrote some things stating specifically that she believed Putin was a wonderful leader and more Americans viewed him positively than our current President is viewed. Things you conveniently left out in what you quoted.
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:shrug: I'm by no means saying I agree with the woman. But my agreeing with her on a political question does not determine whether or not she deserves to have the same standard applied to her as to any other claiming to have been sexually victimized. For example, I am wholeheartedly, aghastly, against Abortion. But for me to argue Aha! She claimed he raped her, but she's Pro Choice, so, clearly she shouldn't be believed would be poppycock.
Show how Fords story changed.
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That's why I linked it for you :) Do you want me to go back and block-quote it?
And no, Reades story changed in more ways than just going from she was inappropriately touched to sexually assaulted. I pointed out two instances where details in her story have changed.
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If you are referring to this:
It actually is the changes, from her sitting in silence while others argued about her serving drinks (story she wrote for the Union) to her arguing about it (later posts by her). The fact that she did leave out details or made them vague to prevent verification and/or plausibility. This was in DC, near the capitol, and yet she claims seclusion. Have you been to the Capitol? I did last year, and starting early in the morning, it is filled with visitors. It is the going from an alpha to an intimidated woman in parts of her own story. It is the words she remembers him saying that make little sense when put together.
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then, I am not sure you have made that case. Saying that she likes to control her own space (the alpha comment) and that she chose not to enter into an argument and was intimidated are not a change in story and, in fact, are part of the same account. Saying that she was both touched as a means of establishing dominance (running his finger up her neck, etc), and later touched in a manner more aggressive and constituting sexual assault are not mutually contradictory. Certainly, for example, it is not as contradictory as "I can't fly out to give testimony quickly because I am too terrified to fly" and "actually I fly on vacation because I am fully fine with flying".
And her story, written by her, sounds like a creative writing assignment that leaves out some key details to determining where exactly it happened, and when, things important to verifying the validity of it.
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Perhaps :shrug: and I'll be clear - I'm not saying the woman is correct. But for folks who said Ford must be telling the truth to come out and claim that she isn't is a double standard of evidence, and suspiciously so when it lines up so neatly with their political tribal preferences.
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: I'm by no means saying I agree with the woman. But my agreeing with her on a political question does not determine whether or not she deserves to have the same standard applied to her as to any other claiming to have been sexually victimized. For example, I am wholeheartedly, aghastly, against Abortion. But for me to argue Aha! She claimed he raped her, but she's Pro Choice, so, clearly she shouldn't be believed would be poppycock. That's why I linked it for you :) Do you want me to go back and block-quote it? If you are referring to this: then, I am not sure you have made that case. Saying that she likes to control her own space (the alpha comment) and that she chose not to enter into an argument and was intimidated are not a change in story and, in fact, are part of the same account. Saying that she was both touched as a means of establishing dominance (running his finger up her neck, etc), and later touched in a manner more aggressive and constituting sexual assault are not mutually contradictory. Certainly, for example, it is not as contradictory as "I can't fly out to give testimony quickly because I am too terrified to fly" and "actually I fly on vacation because I am fully fine with flying". Perhaps :shrug: and I'll be clear - I'm not saying the woman is correct. But for folks who said Ford must be telling the truth to come out and claim that she isn't is a double standard of evidence, and suspiciously so when it lines up so neatly with their political tribal preferences.
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No. The inconsistency in the party is about her claiming in her story to the Union that she didnt say anything, but rather someone else, senior female aide spoke up and protested her serving at the party. But now, in her tweets, it is she herself arguing that she shouldn't have served the drinks at the party when she asked and that no other women in that office supported her.

And Ford has timeline inconsistencies. But Reade doesnt provide a good timeline at all, given that she knows it was warm outside (reason for short skirt), yet no dates or even months, nor time of day of attack against her. The number of people at the party didn't change. That claim is based on her telling how many boys were at the party vice the total number of people there. She has always claimed that her friend was there.

There is easily a similarity between abuse and sexual assault. Many of the same claims about Ford can also fit for Reade.

However, there is a huge difference between someone not believing someone else for differences in political beliefs and for people to be skeptical based on beliefs that are out of touch with reality and in fact at odds with the stated positions of those the person claims to support.

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Democrats = Making excuses for sexual assault since it became politically expedient

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zimmer said:
Rape allegation.


#Ibelievetara ... trending #1 on twitter.
I wonder if some people will remember Christine Blasey Ford and her story that had more holes than all the Swiss Cheese in this world.

Unlike Ballsey... who is a Hate Trumper, this is a former Democrat staffer... with a clear recollection.

Let’s see how the Goebbels Media handles this.

Convenient timing... as everyone can see Biden is not playing with a full deck.
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If it's OK to dismiss Kavanaugh's accusers and seal 90% of his documents then it's OK to ignore Biden's accusers. Fair is fair!
 
Democrats = Never cared about women

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roguenuke said:
No. The inconsistency in the party is about her claiming in her story to the Union that she didnt say anything, but rather someone else, senior female aide spoke up and protested her serving at the party. But now, in her tweets, it is she herself arguing that she shouldn't have served the drinks at the party when she asked and that no other women in that office supported her.

And Ford has timeline inconsistencies. But Reade doesnt provide a good timeline at all, given that she knows it was warm outside (reason for short skirt), yet no dates or even months, nor time of day of attack against her. The number of people at the party didn't change. That claim is based on her telling how many boys were at the party vice the total number of people there. She has always claimed that her friend was there.

There is easily a similarity between abuse and sexual assault. Many of the same claims about Ford can also fit for Reade.

However, there is a huge difference between someone not believing someone else for differences in political beliefs and for people to be skeptical based on beliefs that are out of touch with reality and in fact at odds with the stated positions of those the person claims to support.

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Reade isn't providing any more of a basis for a legitimate investigation than Ford did. Unless she's more forthcoming with better details, there is nothing to investigate.
 
Here is a great article on this.

A woman accuses Joe Biden of sexual assault, and all hell breaks loose online. Here's what we know | Salon.com

As I've said, I have my doubts about her story, but she absolutely could be telling the truth. The doubts come from the many red flags that are posted in this article.

One that I noticed here, but wasnt mentioned as a red flag is that both Reade and her supporters are pushing the claim that she was refused help by Times Up due to trying to protect Biden. However, as is pointed out in the article, she was refused service by them that they dont provide without specific conditions being met. She isnt seeking any actual lawsuit or legal action against Biden. She only wanted a shield against people basically looking into her past, defaming her, starting rumors or conspiracy theories about her, which is something that comes with coming forward with something like this, whether being truthful or lying. It isnt right to say bad things about her, but it is just to checkout her story and point out inconsistencies. It is just to confirm the story and not simply believe people reporting it.

It is also not wrong to judge her and say she sounds, looks like she is lying. It diesnt make the person stating such a thing right, but it is their right to hold and speak such an opinion.

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Democrats circa 2016-2018 = Women MUST be believed!

Democrats circa 2020 = Crazy slut be lyin'

:donkeyfla
 
3leftsdoo said:
Democrats circa 2016-2018 = Women MUST be believed!

Democrats circa 2020 = Crazy slut be lyin'

:donkeyfla
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Republicans= it's only 25 women that accused trump of rape. That's not bad....is it?
 
Felis Leo said:
First, zimmer, I would point out that Alexandra Tara Reade did not come forward with a rape allegation. She made an allegation of sexual assault and battery against Senator Joe Biden. When accusations of such a nature as nonconsensual sexual impropriety are made, it is important to be as precise as possible.

But, second, Ms. Reade certainly sounds credible. I would want to see further evidence before making any judgments against Mr. Biden. Anything to corroborate this would be helpful. But if this is true, I think this will destroy Biden's hopes for the presidency. We may just see the resurrection of Bernie Sanders' campaign OR a "Draft Cuomo" moment after all.
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If so, it would mean that people inclined to vote for Democrats appear to be more morally upright than those who are inclined to vote Republican.

I mean, no offense to you personally, but Trump won. There were 26 allegations against him. He bragged about grabbing 'em by the *****. He bragged about walking in on minors in the changing room because he owned the pageants. Minors, for chrissake. And he got elected.

Even if we include morality, the case against Trump is far better than the case against Biden. There's no good reason to assume the people who accused Trump are lying but the one who accused Biden is not. If Biden loses because left-lean people refuse to vote for him given this allegation, it really does say something about large swathes of America.
 
Mr Person said:
If so, it would mean that people inclined to vote for Democrats appear to be more morally upright than those who are inclined to vote Republican.

I mean, no offense to you personally, but Trump won. There were 26 allegations against him. He bragged about grabbing 'em by the *****. He bragged about walking in on minors in the changing room because he owned the pageants. Minors, for chrissake. And he got elected.

Even if we include morality, the case against Trump is far better than the case against Biden. There's no good reason to assume the people who accused Trump are lying but the one who accused Biden is not. If Biden loses because left-lean people refuse to vote for him given this allegation, it really does say something about large swathes of America.
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The left = Never planning to vote for Biden

Liberals = Don't care that Biden's a deranged criminal sexual assault suspect

Trump = President until Pence is inaugurated in 2025
 
3leftsdoo said:
The left = Never planning to vote for Biden

Liberals = Don't care that Biden's a deranged criminal sexual assault suspect

Trump = President until Pence is inaugurated in 2025
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Trump= 25 women accuse him of rape

Gop= dont care


Biden= next president
 
The real question now?

WHAT can the Democrats dig up to throw at Pence when he runs at the end of Trump's 2nd term?
 
3leftsdoo said:
The real question now?

WHAT can the Democrats dig up to throw at Pence when he runs at the end of Trump's 2nd term?
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Everyone knows Pence is waiting for Trump to drop dead of a heart attack so that he can take over.
 
Puigb said:
Nobody cares about this anymore since Trump became president. Dude has over a dozen women who have accused him of sexual assault, and Republicans gave him the presidency as a result.
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Trump's own first wife accused him of rape during the marriage. That one got a brush aside from the Right. I don't think Trump's surrogates really want to go down this road.
 
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