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Joe Biden's accuser finally tells her full story - Katie Halper's interview with Tara Reade

roguenuke said:
I agree that they dont really match stories or names (although the accuser has admitted she has changed her name and posts under a pseudonym due to past domestic violence issues).

However there are some legitimate reasons to question the accuser. For one, her current story does not match the story she sent out last year, even if you consider that she claims to have not wanted to reveal everything at that time. She claimed then that she was used to being the center of attention, admired for her looks and it was someone else who pointed out, protested her serving drinks because Biden found her attractive, yet now her claim is that that incident made her uncomfortable then and all the women she worked with said to go along with it, encouraged her to just do it. She also stated back then that there was no sexuality, no sexual assault to what he did, that it made her feel uncomfortable and that he was exerting power over her and all she wanted was for him to admit to that and apologize. She even stated that her issue with it was she saw herself as an alpha so it felt like him touching her in public (on the neck, shoulders) was a show of power.

Also her story of the attack needs more details. It doesnt make a lot of sense. There are few places where they could be without chancing someone seeing them during almost any time she would legitimately be working to be called upon to bring that bag to him. And this was before cell phones. How did she know where he was to give him the bag? So she should have been able to state where it happened more precisely given that detail. It was supposed to be a warm day but the building was cold? She stated she put in her resignation or was forced to, in the first story and now she says she was fired.

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All of a sudden, Democrats don't believe women.

Color me shocked.

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3leftsdoo said:
All of a sudden, Democrats don't believe women.

Color me shocked.

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I have never said that women should automatically be believed. No one should. What they are saying happened and the facts of their stories should be heard and examined. It is not wrong to question details that do not match. Yes, in recollections, some things could be missed, left out. However, they shouldn't change within a years telling.

Maybe if you stopped grouping people in ridiculous attempts to smear or praise all based on Party, you could actually truly debate a topic. I'm not even a Democrat. I'm Independent.

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Tanngrisnir said:
What 'smear campaign'?
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The one that started against her when she first came forward.

You need to adjust that metal hat, Ted.

It's based on reality.

Go talk to seals.
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Do you have any credible media sources saying these two women are the same woman? What are you basing this assessment on?

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Give Alexandra Tara Reade.... QUACK QUACK QUACK... voice! Read her stories.

Background
On April 3rd, 2019, Tara Reade spoke out to reporters saying, “[Joe Biden] used to put his hand on my shoulder and run his finger up my neck. I would just kind of freeze and wait for him to stop doing that.”[1] Almost immediately, on Twitter, people began sharing her pro-Putin articles. That day, Twitter user @IsaacDovere published a full thread saying, "latest woman to accuse Biden of touching her inappropriately […] wrote in December: 'I love Russia with all my heart … President Putin scares the power elite in America because he is a compassionate, caring, visionary leader.'" The initial tweet gained over 2,800 likes and 2,200 retweets in a year.
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Tara Reade's Joe Biden Sexual Assault Allegations | Know Your Meme

In short, Ms. Reade supports Bernie and does not want you to vote for Joe!
 
roguenuke said:
I have never said that women should automatically be believed. No one should. What they are saying happened and the facts of their stories should be heard and examined. It is not wrong to question details that do not match. Yes, in recollections, some things could be missed, left out. However, they shouldn't change within a years telling.

Maybe if you stopped grouping people in ridiculous attempts to smear or praise all based on Party, you could actually truly debate a topic. I'm not even a Democrat. I'm Independent.

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So you deeply questioned Ford in the same way you're questioning Reade?

If so, good on you.

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3leftsdoo said:
Well, except to attack Biden's accuser & make excuses for Biden.

Quid Pro Joe's done; cue the entrance music for Prince Andrew.
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What's with your obsession with King Andy?
 
roguenuke said:
I agree that they dont really match stories or names (although the accuser has admitted she has changed her name and posts under a pseudonym due to past domestic violence issues).

However there are some legitimate reasons to question the accuser. For one, her current story does not match the story she sent out last year, even if you consider that she claims to have not wanted to reveal everything at that time. She claimed then that she was used to being the center of attention, admired for her looks and it was someone else who pointed out, protested her serving drinks because Biden found her attractive, yet now her claim is that that incident made her uncomfortable then and all the women she worked with said to go along with it, encouraged her to just do it. She also stated back then that there was no sexuality, no sexual assault to what he did, that it made her feel uncomfortable and that he was exerting power over her and all she wanted was for him to admit to that and apologize. She even stated that her issue with it was she saw herself as an alpha so it felt like him touching her in public (on the neck, shoulders) was a show of power.

Also her story of the attack needs more details. It doesnt make a lot of sense. There are few places where they could be without chancing someone seeing them during almost any time she would legitimately be working to be called upon to bring that bag to him. And this was before cell phones. How did she know where he was to give him the bag? So she should have been able to state where it happened more precisely given that detail. It was supposed to be a warm day but the building was cold? She stated she put in her resignation or was forced to, in the first story and now she says she was fired.
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Hm.

Well, in some ways, I don't know if the points you raise are necessarily contradictions (ie: earlier complaints about the rubbing/touching etc don't mean that the complaint about sexual assault didn't happen, but, rather, demonstrate a pattern of behavior), but I can certainly see why a shifting story rationally creates doubt.

Out of curiosity, if I were to look up your posts on Fords' shifting story against Kavanaugh, where did you come down on that?
 
roguenuke said:
She changes her story from one thing to another.

Here she claims other women didnt believe her, encouraged her to serve the drinks. Post is Mar21.

https://mobile.twitter.com/readealexandra

Yet, in the story a year ago, what she herself wrote, it was different. She said she sat back in silence in that incident and it was in fact a senior woman was who cautioned her against doing it.

"I was a former model and actress, so at the time such comments were of no consequence to me. I was asked to do many things based on my looks and I did not know what value my intellect even held at the time, if any.
However, to a senior female legislative aide, it was not OK and she voiced her objection. She said, “Tara, you do not have to be treated like an object, you do not have to serve cocktails at a function for men because the Senator asked you to do this!”"

This is from her own story.

Alexandra Tara Reade: A girl walks into the Senate | TheUnion.com




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I'd say it's pretty obvious she likes to make things up. She should be dismissed.
 
Democrats nearly ruined Kavanaugh's life, but it's okay with Biden. Give me a break!!!
 
bradt99 said:
Democrats nearly ruined Kavanaugh's life, but it's okay with Biden. Give me a break!!!
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Kavanaugh is a Justice for life. So that is pretty far from a ruined life.

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cpwill said:
Hm.

Well, in some ways, I don't know if the points you raise are necessarily contradictions (ie: earlier complaints about the rubbing/touching etc don't mean that the complaint about sexual assault didn't happen, but, rather, demonstrate a pattern of behavior), but I can certainly see why a shifting story rationally creates doubt.

Out of curiosity, if I were to look up your posts on Fords' shifting story against Kavanaugh, where did you come down on that?
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That she should be listened to. I believed her story, although I said it could have been someone else that did it.

However, she didnt change her story, despite what some claim about her numbers of people at the party. Some things were seen as unbelievable by others, but I've had some of those experiences. But Ford also wasnt a self described actress or writer, nor did she claim one thing and then a more serious thing later.

In fact, that is one of the things about this one that adds to the doubt. If more people are coming forward, saying they were touched, it is not reasonable for her to hold back the biggest part of her story at that time, only to tell the lesser stuff. She would have had far more support then, especially given that it would have been difficult to claim her story changed, as can be done now. There is no evidence from her that she planned to provide more, at that time. Her blogs were removed. The ones we have copies of from before are mainly about her admiration of Putin. Her insistence that he did more to her didnt even start until around January of this year.

And it wasn't just the leaving out that is the issue, as I mentioned. It actually is the changes, from her sitting in silence while others argued about her serving drinks (story she wrote for the Union) to her arguing about it (later posts by her). The fact that she did leave out details or made them vague to prevent verification and/or plausibility. This was in DC, near the capitol, and yet she claims seclusion. Have you been to the Capitol? I did last year, and starting early in the morning, it is filled with visitors. It is the going from an alpha to an intimidated woman in parts of her own story. It is the words she remembers him saying that make little sense when put together.

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3leftsdoo said:
So you deeply questioned Ford in the same way you're questioning Reade?

If so, good on you.

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Did you? Did you give as much credence to Fords story as you are to Reades?

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zimmer said:
Rape allegation.



#Ibelievetara ... trending #1 on twitter.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/IBelieveTara?src=tren

I wonder if some people will remember Christine Blasey Ford and her story that had more holes than all the Swiss Cheese in this world.

Unlike Ballsey... who is a Hate Trumper, this is a former Democrat staffer... with a clear recollection.

Let’s see how the Goebbels Media handles this.

Convenient timing... as everyone can see Biden is not playing with a full deck.
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1993?


What the hell took her so long?(LOL)
 
Luther said:
1993?


What the hell took her so long?(LOL)
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It has been 27 years but she does offer some clues as to why she felt pressured by the insider mob to keep silent. It took Christine Ford 33 years to come forward and she offered even less logical reasoning for her delay.
 
Puigb said:
Nobody cares about this anymore since Trump became president. Dude has over a dozen women who have accused him of sexual assault, and Republicans gave him the presidency as a result.
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that's pretty much it. when he paid off a porn star and has a bunch of women who say he sexually assaulted them and the Party of Jesus Christ elected him anyway (and support him heavily) then that is approval from the "decent" folks that this isn't an issue for the Prez anymore.

now, the real decent folks, currently in the Democratic party, may actually care.
 
marke said:
It has been 27 years but she does offer some clues as to why she felt pressured by the insider mob to keep silent. It took Christine Ford 33 years to come forward and she offered even less logical reasoning for her delay.
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I know, he just got too close to her

The pope gets close to people and no one says anything

Now compare that to Trump paying off Stormy with a $$$150,000 bucks and cheating on his wife

Oh my...
 
yankintx said:
Slow day in the Fox News Bubble?
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I do not watch Fox News, but if Fox News regularly encourages people to wait until corroborating evidence is presented to back up an allegation before leaping to believe it (especially against left-wing political adversaries) then they are being quite responsible I would say.
 
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Luther said:
I know, he just got too close to her

The pope gets close to people and no one says anything

Now compare that to Trump paying off Stormy with a $$$150,000 bucks and cheating on his wife

Oh my...
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Other politicians have also had their sordid affairs with men or women. It was not just Biden.
 
Waddy said:
Where are the "Me,Too" people backing her up !! Shouldn't Biden automatically quit the campaign now?
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“Me, Too” began losing it’s steam when it quickly became “But Not Any of Ours”, and democrats began to get snared. The segue away from due process bites when it is you people in the crosshairs.

But where Biden is concerned his whole sad story is becoming elder abuse at the hands of those who seek to run the country through a feeble figurehead.
 
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