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    Re: Joe Biden's accuser finally tells her full story - Katie Halper's interview with Tara Reade

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDoctorWasIn View Post
    Is that what you're "given to understand"?

    I have made no value judgements on her claims, as of now.

    Do you? If so, why?
    I say it with no small amount of rancor, whenever a person questions a female accuser post-#MeToo, it must be asked: Is one skeptical out of principle for a desire to seek the truth and to give the accused the benefit of the doubt? Or is the skepticism selectively self-serving and will one simply twist themselves into pretzels to engage in special pleading? Would one be as skeptical about a similar unevidenced accusation made against a hated political adversary as they would about an unevidenced accusation made against a political adversary?

    Because here is my judgment: It is merely an accusation. I do not automatically believe her and claim she is a victim. I do not automatically disbelieve her and claim that she is a liar or deluded. I would want to see more evidence before I determine whether her accusation is credible. Because some women are indeed wounded and need the space to come out and have their voices finally heard. And some are liars, attention-seekers and/or mentally disturbed and driven to lie.

    Whenever I look at any accusation, I want to see evidence backing it up. And what is more, I know that I am biased. So when I hear accusations against a political adversary, I need clear and convincing corroborative evidence, not just a tearful recounting of an alleged incident. Let me use as my personal example: Keith Ellison. I despise Keith Ellison for a variety of reasons that I shall not get into here. But because I despised him, when he was accused of domestic violence, I needed to correct for my bias and did not allow myself to fall into the trap of simply believing unevidenced allegations against him.

    If we are to be principled, we should either leap to believe all uncorroborated allegations until they are definitively proven to be false OR we should hold our judgment until an uncorroborated allegation has corroborating evidence to back it up. I think the latter is far better for us as a society.
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    Re: Joe Biden's accuser finally tells her full story - Katie Halper's interview with Tara Reade

    Quote Originally Posted by Puigb View Post
    Nobody cares about this anymore since Trump became president. Dude has over a dozen women who have accused him of sexual assault, and Republicans gave him the presidency as a result.
    So if there was leaked footage from a CCTV camera from back in 1993 of Senator Biden sexually assaulting this woman, you would nevertheless vote for Biden with a clear conscience? If so, how does that make you any better on a moral level than the Republicans you apparently despise?
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    Re: Joe Biden's accuser finally tells her full story - Katie Halper's interview with Tara Reade

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    So if there was leaked footage from a CCTV camera from back in 1993 of Senator Biden sexually assaulting this woman, you would nevertheless vote for Biden with a clear conscience? If so, how does that make you any better on a moral level than the Republicans you apparently despise?
    no, I wouldn't. But many people would thanks to Trump supporters lowering the bar so much.

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    Re: Joe Biden's accuser finally tells her full story - Katie Halper's interview with Tara Reade

    She may be telling the truth. However, I do have an issue with her story changing. Last year she claimed he rubbed his hand on her neck and shoulders and wanted her to serve drinks because of her legs. Now she is saying he also assaulted her sexually.

    All the times Biden was accused of behaving inappropriately with women - Business Insider

    Alexandra Tara Reade, who worked at Biden's Senate office in 1993, told*The Union that Biden would "put his hand on my shoulder and run his finger up my neck." She also alleges that she was told to serve drinks at an event because Biden liked her legs.

    It just seems very strange that she would not tell this last year when she told an innocuous story about him touching her shoulder and neck. In fact reading the Union story from last year, it is a totally different story. She states it wasnt a matter of sexualization. There is no indication that she was going to say he did more.



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    Re: Joe Biden's accuser finally tells her full story - Katie Halper's interview with Tara Reade

    Since Trump has been president, morality/ethics and the law no longer matters.

    Evangelicals support a man who has married three times, who has admitted to cheating on at least one wife. He has been recorded about sexual assault and how women love it when you grab them by the pu$$y and force a kiss on them. Hush money has been given to a porn star on his say so and a former lawyer involved has gone to jail over it.

    And his supporters just shrug and say so what?

    Trump was forced by the courts to re-pay Trump University students because he defrauded them and only did so to avoid any technicalities before being sworn in.

    And his supporters just shrug and say so what?

    For his more socially active supporters who are against gay marriage...what about Melania's lesbian S&M shoot? The one that Trump is on record on knowing about and liking it?

    His supporters just shrug and say so what? Or they might counter with complaints on how drab Michelle Obama looked one Easter....

    Then there is all the lies, especially the stupid ones where he didn't even need to lie.

    His supporters just shrug and say so what?

    Look folks, when you decided to abandon your principals, your ethics, your faith, and disregard the law as it applies to Trump...you have NO right to complain about the law, ethics or the morality of other people. You gave up that right with everything else in your blind desire to support Trump.

    And in the off chance Biden or another Democrat becomes president, and you all try to impeach and we use the same tactics and rules you used to protect Trump and to get him off scott free by not allowing any real witness or testimony to be admitted in the Senate portion...you do NOT get to complain about that either.

    By supporting Trump, you gave up the high ground. And in doing so...you have made sure that ethics, morality, justice and faith means absolutely zero when it comes to supporting an amoral person such as Trump.

    You don't get to point fingers anymore.

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    Re: Joe Biden's accuser finally tells her full story - Katie Halper's interview with Tara Reade

    Joe always did look up to Teddy,

    Thankfully he didn't drive any of the home.
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    Re: Joe Biden's accuser finally tells her full story - Katie Halper's interview with Tara Reade

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Rape allegation.



    #Ibelievetara ... trending #1 on twitter.

    https://twitter.com/hashtag/IBelieveTara?src=tren

    I wonder if some people will remember Christine Blasey Ford and her story that had more holes than all the Swiss Cheese in this world.

    Unlike Ballsey... who is a Hate Trumper, this is a former Democrat staffer... with a clear recollection.

    Letís see how the Goebbels Media handles this.

    Convenient timing... as everyone can see Biden is not playing with a full deck.
    And just as many holes.

    She claimed last year that Biden didn't do anything sexual to her, that it was only the touching of her neck that she didn't like.

    Alexandra Tara Reade: A girl walks into the Senate | TheUnion.com

    Her story changed, a lot. And she herself describes herself as an actress and a writer.

    What place near the Capitol has no people in May/June timeframe (she said it was around June when the drink incident happened, and claims it was hot, which is why she was wearing a skirt with no hose, when he assaulted her, I can't see the alleged assault occurring much before or after the drink incident)? Are you kidding me? I've been to DC, in June. That is prime time for school trips, it is packed around the Capitol.

    The original story:

    Nevada County woman says Joe Biden inappropriately touched her while working in his U.S. Senate office | TheUnion.com
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    Re: Joe Biden's accuser finally tells her full story - Katie Halper's interview with Tara Reade

    Quote Originally Posted by Waddy View Post
    Where are the "Me,Too" people backing her up !! Shouldn't Biden automatically quit the campaign now?
    Spot on! Where are they now? Thus proving how full of **** they are/were

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    Re: Joe Biden's accuser finally tells her full story - Katie Halper's interview with Tara Reade

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    1993? She couldn't have mentioned this a little bit earlier?

    The news will NEVER talk about this because it's a Democrat that's the target but, once more, we have an unsubstantiated story coming out DECADES after the incident with scant details. I simply don't give these stories much credence at all because they tend to be so common and so outlandish.
    I am not a fan of kavanaugh, but I tend to agree that decades is too long to bring something like this up. Just the fact that memory of an event changes over time makes it necessary to take such accustations with a grain of salt.

    And you're right. If it seems like something you don't want to deal with but might think its relevant if say that priest who molested you starts a boys home later, make a record of some kind of the incident. Tell someone else, something.
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    Re: Joe Biden's accuser finally tells her full story - Katie Halper's interview with Tara Reade

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    why no debate questions on this matter?

    can see why joe would want to avoid any more debates where such questions could appear
    No debate questions because Trump doesn't want to open up that line of questioning.


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