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    Re: DOJ Wants to Suspend Certain Constitutional Rights During Coronavirus Emergency

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Wouldn't that mean that trumps statute of limitiations wouldn't run out as soon?
    First, which you appear to have already done judging from your comment, you have to consider the source. Betsy Woodruff Swan is a flaming leftist with absolutely no credibility.

    Second, the US Constitution already includes a provision by which people may be held indefinitely without a trial, it can be located under Article I, Section 9, Clause 2 of the US Constitution:
    The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it.
    Obviously COVID-19 is neither a "rebellion or invasion" therefore habeas corpus may not be suspended. It is also not a "constitutionally-protected right" but rather (as it specifically states) a privilege.

    Furthermore, there are no provisions within the US Constitution that allows the federal government to suspend any constitutionally-protected rights, for any reason. Which means the federal government is prohibited from doing so.

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    Re: DOJ Wants to Suspend Certain Constitutional Rights During Coronavirus Emergency

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    First, which you appear to have already done judging from your comment, you have to consider the source. Betsy Woodruff Swan is a flaming leftist with absolutely no credibility.

    Second, the US Constitution already includes a provision by which people may be held indefinitely without a trial, it can be located under Article I, Section 9, Clause 2 of the US Constitution:


    Obviously COVID-19 is neither a "rebellion or invasion" therefore habeas corpus may not be suspended. It is also not a "constitutionally-protected right" but rather (as it specifically states) a privilege.

    Furthermore, there are no provisions within the US Constitution that allows the federal government to suspend any constitutionally-protected rights, for any reason. Which means the federal government is prohibited from doing so.
    So how exactly do you suspend the right to a speedy trial, then?

    Are you saying the justice department isn't allowed to hold people indefinitely without trial for the duration of the crisis?

    Are you in agreement that it is better that a thousand innocent men die of covid-19 than a single guilty one be set free?

    Because that is the philosophy that Barr is apparently going with.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
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    Re: DOJ Wants to Suspend Certain Constitutional Rights During Coronavirus Emergency

    Quote Originally Posted by swing_voter View Post
    Do we want the courts to release murderers and rapists onto the streets?

    What good would that do?
    did it hurt to type such nonsense?


    See also the reason twump cultists need to play little “hypocrisy” games is they know they are in deep **** so the only way they can pull off any victory is by trying to make their opponents look just as bad as they are. Its the never play defense tactic

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    Re: DOJ Wants to Suspend Certain Constitutional Rights During Coronavirus Emergency

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    First, which you appear to have already done judging from your comment, you have to consider the source. Betsy Woodruff Swan is a flaming leftist with absolutely no credibility.

    Second, the US Constitution already includes a provision by which people may be held indefinitely without a trial, it can be located under Article I, Section 9, Clause 2 of the US Constitution:


    Obviously COVID-19 is neither a "rebellion or invasion" therefore habeas corpus may not be suspended. It is also not a "constitutionally-protected right" but rather (as it specifically states) a privilege.

    Furthermore, there are no provisions within the US Constitution that allows the federal government to suspend any constitutionally-protected rights, for any reason. Which means the federal government is prohibited from doing so.
    Lol. It certainly wouldnt have if the right precautions were taken and if twump took this seriously. Lick em clean!


    See also the reason twump cultists need to play little “hypocrisy” games is they know they are in deep **** so the only way they can pull off any victory is by trying to make their opponents look just as bad as they are. Its the never play defense tactic

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    Re: DOJ Wants to Suspend Certain Constitutional Rights During Coronavirus Emergency

    See nobody is believing the horse **** you trumpists are spouting. Its time to just fess up already.


    See also the reason twump cultists need to play little “hypocrisy” games is they know they are in deep **** so the only way they can pull off any victory is by trying to make their opponents look just as bad as they are. Its the never play defense tactic

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    Re: DOJ Wants to Suspend Certain Constitutional Rights During Coronavirus Emergency

    Rolling stone.... don’t believe you.
    Fake news.

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    Re: DOJ Wants to Suspend Certain Constitutional Rights During Coronavirus Emergency

    Quote Originally Posted by TU Curmudgeon View Post
    What you appear to be thinking of is

    “It was all Mrs. Bumble. She would do it," urged Mr. Bumble; first looking round, to ascertain that his partner had left the room.

    That is no excuse," returned Mr. Brownlow. "You were present on the occasion of the destruction of these trinkets, and, indeed, are the more guilty of the two, in the eye of the law; for the law supposes that your wife acts under your direction."

    If the law supposes that," said Mr. Bumble, squeezing his hat emphatically in both hands, "the law is a ass — a idiot. If that's the eye of the law, the law is a bachelor; and the worst I wish the law is, that his eye may be opened by experience — by experience.”
    (emphasis added)

    ― Charles Dickens, Oliver Twist

    You got the author correct, the character (and also the book) incorrect, the setting incorrect, and managed to take the statement so far out of context that it became meaningless. A 20% mark is NOT a passing grade.
    Well thank you professor, but I think you got the point.

    St. Paul put it a different way in Corinthians II, the letter of the law gives death, the spirit of the law gives life.

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    Re: DOJ Wants to Suspend Certain Constitutional Rights During Coronavirus Emergency

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    So how exactly do you suspend the right to a speedy trial, then?
    As it says in the US Constitution, it can only be suspended during times of invasion or rebellion. The last time habeas corpus was suspended was in 1861, during a time of rebellion.

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Are you saying the justice department isn't allowed to hold people indefinitely without trial for the duration of the crisis?
    Correct. Not while they are within the borders of the US. That is an important distinction because the US Constitution's jurisdiction only extends to US borders, and not beyond. Which is why GITMO was chosen to hold POWs. GITMO is not in the US and therefore the US Constitution does not apply. If they are within the borders of the US, then they are entitled to the protection of the Sixth Amendment, which includes the right to a speedy trial and a lawyer.

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Are you in agreement that it is better that a thousand innocent men die of covid-19 than a single guilty one be set free?

    Because that is the philosophy that Barr is apparently going with.
    Aren't all those who die of COVID-19 innocent? What has that got to do with anything?

    First, the Department of Justice doesn't have the authority to suspend anything. Second, the President may only suspend habeas corpus during times of invasion or rebellion. A pandemic is not an invasion or rebellion. Or are you incapable of telling the difference between them?

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    Re: DOJ Wants to Suspend Certain Constitutional Rights During Coronavirus Emergency

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    As it says in the US Constitution, it can only be suspended during times of invasion or rebellion. The last time habeas corpus was suspended was in 1861, during a time of rebellion.

    Correct. Not while they are within the borders of the US. That is an important distinction because the US Constitution's jurisdiction only extends to US borders, and not beyond. Which is why GITMO was chosen to hold POWs. GITMO is not in the US and therefore the US Constitution does not apply. If they are within the borders of the US, then they are entitled to the protection of the Sixth Amendment, which includes the right to a speedy trial and a lawyer.


    Aren't all those who die of COVID-19 innocent? What has that got to do with anything?

    First, the Department of Justice doesn't have the authority to suspend anything. Second, the President may only suspend habeas corpus during times of invasion or rebellion. A pandemic is not an invasion or rebellion. Or are you incapable of telling the difference between them?
    Yet it seems that Barr wants to do just that. That's what this thread is about
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    Re: DOJ Wants to Suspend Certain Constitutional Rights During Coronavirus Emergency

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Yet it seems that Barr wants to do just that. That's what this thread is about
    Barr is trying to figure out how to secure the right of a defendant to a speedy trial with the state's right to convene grand juries and other juries at a time when the circumstances may make it difficult.
    That's why he is taking with Congress about getting the Judiciary branch involved.

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