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Mueller fail--DOJ drops Concord Management case

Slavister said:
Nope.

From your own article...



That's a rosy explanation that makes sense. Another explanation might simply be that team Trump is make sure Russians know they are free to meddle in 2020.
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Democrats just can't win against Trump, because they fabricated the entire mess and aren't getting away with it like they did under the previous democrat administration. Benghazi lie of an anti-Islamic video, destroyed emails, fabricated evidence in the FISA warrants, fabricated evidence in the Steele Dossier. This stuff is coming out.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Mueller and the DOJ were bluffing. Many suspected they could not handle the heat caused by discovery.

DOJ drops charges against ‘Russian trolls’ after they dared demand evidence in US court — RT USA News

The Russiagate Emperor wears no clothes.
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So, Barr, a trump appointee that is more interested in protecting Trump (as evidenced by his redactions of the mueller report and conclusions, which are at odds with Mueller himself) drops it. This is supposed to impress anybody ? This is particularly ironic since the article is being quoted from a Russian political propoganda news site.
 
Slavister said:
Nope.

From your own article...



That's a rosy explanation that makes sense. Another explanation might simply be that team Trump is make sure Russians know they are free to meddle in 2020.
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If that legal psychobabble from DOJ makes sense to you, then you are most naïve to the ways of court proceedings.

The discovery process is a fundamental part of our justice system, and has been forever. Mueller was bluffing all the way. I'm not even a lawyer, but I felt all along that the discovery process would reveal just how thin the government case was against Concord. My hunch was borne out. The government folded its hand. Yes, it's a card game of sorts.

Mueller indicted a ham sandwich and you're too naïve to understand it. Sorry.
 
Cardinal said:
Or Barr is corrupt and is acting exclusively as Trump’s personal lawyer and PR manager.
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Barr very much IS corrupt. He demonstrated that during Iran-Contra. He and Mueller are role playing, both government men first, last and always. Russiagate was a morality play for the gullible.
 
Mr Person said:













The stunning reversal came a few weeks before the case — a spinoff of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s probe — was set to go to trial.

Assistants to U.S. Attorney Timothy Shea of Washington and Assistant Attorney General for National Security John C. Demers cited an unspecified “change in the balance of the government’s proof due to a classification determination,” according to a nine-page filing accompanied by facts under seal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...7c3fd6-64a9-11ea-912d-d98032ec8e25_story.html

:roll:


Once again demonstrating that the people whose prejudice and bias most strongly leads them to attack Mueller do not know what they are talking about. Someone changed classification of necessary evidence, thereby making it impossible for prosecutors to use it, thereby kneecapping the case.

Gee, I wonder who might be responsible. I really really "wonder."

I'm sure anyone who bothers to respond will cook up a set of stupid lies. Probably won't bother reading them.
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Gee, Counselor, do you believe everything the government says? Is that what you're saying here? The government says "well it's just TOO DAMN SECRET" and you fall for it?
 
mrjurrs said:
You do understand that the RT in RT Today stands for Russian Times...
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I do, thanks much, and I also understand that DOJ stands for Department of Just Us. ;)

More, I understand even better that the mainstream media works for the government as Propaganda Meister. That so few of the MSM covered this story speaks volumes, for those sophisticated enough to know when they are being lied to.
 
Integrityrespec said:
So more lies by the democrat machine to smear the President are now proven to be false. When are democrats going to admit their team was playing dirty to try to undo an election. More and more this stuff comes out. Whey do democrats not want Barr? Because he knows how to get to the bottom of this mess and he is working on it. He keeps them from doing other crap.
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Don't be fooled by Barr. He is a gubmint man all the way to his grave. He is as big a crook as his boss, and the record of Iran-Contra shows that.
 
Thoreau72 said:
If that legal psychobabble from DOJ makes sense to you, then you are most naïve to the ways of court proceedings.

The discovery process is a fundamental part of our justice system, and has been forever. Mueller was bluffing all the way. I'm not even a lawyer, but I felt all along that the discovery process would reveal just how thin the government case was against Concord. My hunch was borne out. The government folded its hand. Yes, it's a card game of sorts.

Mueller indicted a ham sandwich and you're too naïve to understand it. Sorry.
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I think we know now who really ran the investigation and it was Weissmann. He had a vendetta against Trump and pulled out all stops to get him, including a raid on Roger Stones home in the dead of night with Swat teams and AK 47s. He knew all along that he needed to somehow show Russian collusion. After all, wasn't that what the case was all about? They had nothing to show that Russia did anything. So, they needed a scapegoat to show America they were on the right path and Russia "interfered" and by extension, Trump was somehow involved though they didn't know how. Enter Concord.

Immediately, Concord went ballistic. Normally a guilty company would slink away and be silent but Concord went after the evil DOJ tooth and nail. I wish Concord could sue the DOJ.
 
RAMOSS said:
So, Barr, a trump appointee that is more interested in protecting Trump (as evidenced by his redactions of the mueller report and conclusions, which are at odds with Mueller himself) drops it. This is supposed to impress anybody ? This is particularly ironic since the article is being quoted from a Russian political propoganda news site.
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If the government had some winning cards, they would play them.

They don't have any winning cards. Concord hired a US lawyer, and he represented them very well. The government is notorious for bluffing and intimidation. The Russians didn't steal Hillary's election, she lost it on her own. Russiagate was a hoax from the start. Yes Mr. Barnum, there is a sucker born every minute, especially in the United States.

You and Rachel Maddow. :lol:
 
Paradoxical said:
Agreed. He wasn't aware of just how evil and devious the Democrats really are and how they would do what they could to assassinate him.
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Just the democrats are evil and devious? The swamp abides in both parties. Trump will have to school and recruit his own batch of 'non-swamp candidates' for cabinet.
 
Paradoxical said:
The case was one where they never expected a challenge to it, but they were called on it to produce their evidence. They had none.

Case closed.
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Side note: Trump used part of the phone call with Zelensky to try and gain discovery that Russians interfered in the 2016 election and received an impeachment for his troubles. No one is kidding that an impeachment isn't like a normal trial.:roll:
 
Barnacle said:
They just admitted that they never intended to take their accusations to trial ... unless you believe it "dawned" on them only now that they would have to divulge how they obtained evidence.

:lamo
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Of course, Mueller didn't expect to have to abide by 'trial rules'. Didn't abide by 'trial rules'.:roll:
 
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Slavister said:
Nope.

From your own article...



That's a rosy explanation that makes sense. Another explanation might simply be that team Trump is make sure Russians know they are free to meddle in 2020.
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For you to believe;

*Another explanation might simply be that team Trump is make sure Russians know they are free to meddle in 2020.*

then you have to believe Team Mueller was unaware of the "discovery process" during trials.
 
cabse5 said:
Just the democrats are evil and devious? The swamp abides in both parties. Trump will have to school and recruit his own batch of 'non-swamp candidates' for cabinet.
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I agree and disagree. I have never in my entire life seen so many people I would consider devious and evil in one party and America has never seen most all of the Mainstream News (MSM) siding with, defending and applauding everything the Democrats do while excoriating everything done by conservatives and Trump in particular. We know now that the entire Russian collusion claim was a hoax orchestrated by members of the FBI and overseen by the DOJ and approved by the FISA court and we have seen the Democrats and their sycophant MSM reporting 24/7 how Trump would go down any day now. Both sides were eager to oust him through any means possible with shows like The View and MSNBS and CNN openly calling for his impeachment. The same thing happened with the Ukraine deal orchestrated by Vindman, Schiff, and Mark Zaid, the latter two planning for years to impeach Trump.

We didn't have this 20-30 years ago with mean, vile, spiteful vitriol against a sitting president. The DNC is filled with far leftists now. Generally they are those who have dismissed religion and haven't been otherwise taught morals in school. For the record, I am not religious at all but those who are have been taught biblical morals and many (not all) adhere to them. Those are primarily in the Republican party. So, the way I see it, the Democrats primarily are rudderless, immoral people who see no problem in a virtual assassination of someone they have been taught to hate by the equally immoral extension of their party which is Mainstream Media, primarily CNN, MSNBS, WaPo and the New York Times.
 
Paradoxical said:
I agree and disagree. I have never in my entire life seen so many people I would consider devious and evil in one party and America has never seen most all of the Mainstream News (MSM) siding with, defending and applauding everything the Democrats do while excoriating everything done by conservatives and Trump in particular. We know now that the entire Russian collusion claim was a hoax orchestrated by members of the FBI and overseen by the DOJ and approved by the FISA court and we have seen the Democrats and their sycophant MSM reporting 24/7 how Trump would go down any day now. Both sides were eager to oust him through any means possible with shows like The View and MSNBS and CNN openly calling for his impeachment. The same thing happened with the Ukraine deal orchestrated by Vindman, Schiff, and Mark Zaid, the latter two planning for years to impeach Trump.

We didn't have this 20-30 years ago with mean, vile, spiteful vitriol against a sitting president. The DNC is filled with far leftists now. Generally they are those who have dismissed religion and haven't been otherwise taught morals in school. For the record, I am not religious at all but those who are have been taught biblical morals and many (not all) adhere to them. Those are primarily in the Republican party. So, the way I see it, the Democrats primarily are rudderless, immoral people who see no problem in a virtual assassination of someone they have been taught to hate by the equally immoral extension of their party which is Mainstream Media, primarily CNN, MSNBS, WaPo and the New York Times.
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My definition of swamp is any member of the federal gov't not doing the bidding of the people, not elected, serving too long in gov't or not a member of SCOTUS.
EDIT: Swamp creatures have always belonged to both parties. The outright disdain some officers of the federal gov't have on a sitting president are a recent occurrence...Won't ever go away.
 
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cabse5 said:
My definition of swamp is any member of the federal gov't not doing the bidding of the people, not elected, serving too long in gov't or not a member of SCOTUS.
EDIT: Swamp creatures have always belonged to both parties. The outright disdain some officers of the federal gov't have on a sitting president are a recent occurrence...Won't ever go away.
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The bigger problem is when we have people like Schiff, Pelosi, Schumer and Nadler in power who use their power to bring a president down.
 
RAMOSS said:
So, Barr, a trump appointee that is more interested in protecting Trump (as evidenced by his redactions of the mueller report and conclusions, which are at odds with Mueller himself) drops it. This is supposed to impress anybody ? This is particularly ironic since the article is being quoted from a Russian political propoganda news site.
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Mueller said under oath he agreed with Barr's summary and the properness of the various redactions from his report.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Mueller said under oath he agreed with Barr's summary and the properness of the various redactions from his report.
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Link to the actual statement, in context?
 
Thoreau72 said:
Gee, Counselor, do you believe everything the government says? Is that what you're saying here? The government says "well it's just TOO DAMN SECRET" and you fall for it?
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That's the irony here, folks. Those blaming government for being corrupt are applauding government for being judicious even as it hides evidence by reclassifying it so no one sees what said evidence is, not even in a court of law.
 
Objective Voice said:
That's the irony here, folks. Those blaming government for being corrupt are applauding government for being judicious even as it hides evidence by reclassifying it so no one sees what said evidence is, not even in a court of law.
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Not exactly sure of your point. I was "in the government" for only a few short years in the US Army. It was there that I learned the term and the art of CYA.

Did you ever have that experience?

Learning how the government operates by actually experiencing it in the military is the big advantage to having a draft.

Mueller was bluffing--he had no cards, but he did have a most complicit GJ. Mueller indicted a Russian Ham Sandwich. Some are naïve to the point of not really understanding what that means.

The ham sandwich hired an attorney, went to court, and the government folded.
 
Objective Voice said:
That's the irony here, folks. Those blaming government for being corrupt are applauding government for being judicious even as it hides evidence by reclassifying it so no one sees what said evidence is, not even in a court of law.
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These indictments were doomed from the start. They were clearly 'show indictments', meant to make the investigation look like it was doing something. From the moment they were announced, people pointed this out, highlighting the fact that they hinged on classified information that the government would never share. I think the Mueller team was surprised when attorneys for the company showed up to represent it, and submitted the expected request for discovery.

Mueller's team never invested resources heavily in these indictments, and from the start, they used procedural tactics to avoid releasing classified information to the defense. It's not a matter of 'reclassifying' information -- It was never unclassified. They were never going to release sensitive information (and rightly so). There was no way to press the case without providing the defense with the evidence against them.
 
manofknowledge said:
Not the way I would interpret the statement. More like, the benefit of a conviction does not outweigh the risk of giving away how they got the evidence. Mueller produced evidence of a crime. DOJ chose not to pursue it.
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If there was something there it would have leaked. DC leaks like a fish net bottom boat. Not buying. Nope. They had nothing.
 
mrdeltoid said:
If there was something there it would have leaked. DC leaks like a fish net bottom boat. Not buying. Nope. They had nothing.
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The problem with your response is that you made it up.
 
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