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Buried From Trump Tower Meeting: Translator Telling FBI 'No Collusion'

dixon01767 said:
The information regarding Russian money supporting the Hillary campaign was already reported in the news. Public knowledge not "high level and sensitive information"
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I love how people think spreading lies is the same as refuting a point.
 
I could be wrong since it has been a while, but I do not recall that it was reported that this meeting involved the Trump campaign getting information from the Russian government about the Clinton campaign. I seem to recall that the Russians said that they didn't have any.

What I do recall is that Junior was told that the Russian government did have material on Clinton that they wanted to share with the Trump campaign, and rather than report this to the FBI, Junior emailed back, "I love it" and that led to the meeting.

And that was bad enough, or at least, should be.

So I don't find this story particularly illuminating.
 
HumblePi said:
Why would anyone believe a Russian-paid translator.
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Because he states the same as all the Americans in the meeting and the Russian Lawyer.
 
j brown's body said:
I could be wrong since it has been a while, but I do not recall that it was reported that this meeting involved the Trump campaign getting information from the Russian government about the Clinton campaign. I seem to recall that the Russians said that they didn't have any..
What I do recall is that Junior was told that the Russian government did have material on Clinton that they wanted to share …..
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They spoke of reports of Russian money going to the Clinton campaign, that had been also reported in the US news.

j brown's body said:
What I do recall is that Junior was told that the Russian government did have material on Clinton that they wanted to share with the Trump campaign, and rather than report this to the FBI, Junior emailed back, "I love it" and that led to the meeting.

And that was bad enough, or at least, should be.

So I don't find this story particularly illuminating.
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Russian Lawyers connection to the Russia government was tenuous at best. And while Trump got old news offered by Russian private attorney, Hillary and the DNC solicited info from people IN the Ukrainian government and received it both to take out Manafort and also serve as a source for the Russian Dossier against Trump and people in the campaign.
 
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zimmer said:
Buried From Trump Tower Meeting: Translator Telling FBI 'No Collusion'


Just days after news of the infamous Trump Tower meeting drew the attention of Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation, the translator present told the FBI there was no talk of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin, according to recently released documents.

Anatoli Samochornov, translator, quoted in FBI memo: "There was no discussion of the 2016 United States presidential election or Collusion between the Russian government and the Trump campaign.”

This exculpatory evidence – which backed accounts of Donald Trump Jr. and other campaign officials in attendance – was not mentioned in Special Counsel Mueller’s final report two years later. And the silence in the interim occurred as sinister theorizing on cable TV and in the press helped shape a public impression of the June 9, 2016 meeting as central to collusion.

The new documents record that on July 12, 2017, four days after the New York Times first disclosed the meeting, relying on government leaks, the FBI interviewed Anatoli Samochornov, a freelance translator with long ties to the U.S. government who had been engaged by the Russian side. Elaborating the day after its initial report, the Times used more leaks to report that Trump Jr. had agreed to the meeting because he was told that a Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, would provide damaging information on Hillary Clinton.

https://www.realclearinvestigations....on_122774.html
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Where’s the Goebbels Media on this?
Hiding the truth as usual.
It’s time to pull Bob Mueller back before Congress, along with Weissmann to grill these corruptniks.
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That's not what the Mueller SCO report says. The report says on p. 117....

"...Russian born translator who assisted Veselnitskaya with Magnitsky related lobbying and the the Prevezon case, also attended the lunch [redacted] Veselnitskaya said she was meeting [redacted] and asked Akhmetshin what she should tell him. According to several participants in the lunch, Veselnitskaya showed Akhmetshin a document alleging financial misconduct by Bill Browder and the Ziff brothers (Americans with business in Russia), and those individuals subsequently making political donations to the DNC. [redacted]....

The meeting lasted approximately 20 minutes [redacted] Goldstone recalled Trump Jr. invited Veselnitskaya to begin but did not say anything about the subject of the meeting. Participants agreed that Veselnitskaya stated that the Ziff brothers had broken Russian laws and had donated their profits to the DNC or the Clinton campaign. She asserted that the Ziff brothers had engaged in tax evasion and money laundering in both the U.S. and Russia. [redacted] According to Akhmetshin, Trump Jr. asked follow up questions about how the alleged payments could be tied specifically to the Clinton Campaign, but Veselnitskaya indicated that she could not trace the money once it entered the U.S.. Kaveladze similarly recalled that Trump Jr. asked what they have on Clinton, and Kushner became aggravated and asked, "what are we doing here?" ..."​


According to the SCO report, the Russian lawyer did try to give Trump Jr. dirt on the Clinton campaign...and not long after, Putin gave the same dirt to Trump that Veselnitskaya tried to give to Trump Jr...


"....PUTIN, referring Monday to Bill Browder, a prominent Putin critic and investor charged with financial crimes in Russia: “Business associates of Mr. Browder have earned over $1.5 billion in Russia. They never paid any taxes, neither in Russia nor in the United States, and yet the money escaped the country. They were transferred to the United States. They sent huge amount of money, $400 million, as a contribution to the campaign of Hillary Clinton.”

THE FACTS: The notion of a $400 million donation to the Democrat’s campaign is a stratospheric exaggeration. On Tuesday, the Russian general prosecutor’s office said to little fanfare that Putin misspoke and meant $400,000.

The Clinton campaign committee raised less than $564 million. With supportive political action committees added to the equation, Clinton’s effort drew $795 million in donations. Putin’s initial figure suggested a huge chunk of her money came from a small cabal of financiers.

The reality is much less dramatic..."

AP FACT CHECK: Trump, Putin and their Hall of Mirrors​


Btw...Putin had Browder's lawyer, Maginsky assassinated.
 
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Oborosen said:
I doubt that this would've saved us the last few years of BS. Especially with how the left keeps pushing this.
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Why on earth would they respond to some nonsense on a blog?

Text of the interaction when Trump Junior was invited to the meeting.

The Guardian said:
The emails show music promoter Rob Goldstone telling the future US president’s son that “the crown prosecutor of Russia” had offered “to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father”.

British-born Goldstone adds in the exchange of 3 June 2016: “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trump.”

Seventeen minutes later, Trump Jr welcomes this with the reply: “If it’s what you say, I love it, especially later in the summer.”
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Rob Goldstone knew he was getting information from Russian govt people and he told Don Jr, who agreed to meet them. Case closed.
 
Slyfox696 said:
I love how people think spreading lies is the same as refuting a point.
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What lie?

Moot said:
That's not what the Mueller SCO report says. The report says on p. 117....

"...Russian born translator who assisted Veselnitskaya with Magnitsky related lobbying and the the Prevezon case, also attended the lunch [redacted] Veselnitskaya said she was meeting [redacted] and asked Akhmetshin what she should tell him. According to several participants in the lunch, Veselnitskaya showed Akhmetshin a document alleging financial misconduct by Bill Browder and the Ziff brothers (Americans with business in Russia), and those individuals subsequently making political donations to the DNC. [redacted]....

The meeting lasted approximately 20 minutes [redacted] Goldstone recalled Trump Jr. invited Veselnitskaya to begin but did not say anything about the subject of the meeting. Participants agreed that Veselnitskaya stated that the Ziff brothers had broken Russian laws and had donated their profits to the DNC or the Clinton campaign. She asserted that the Ziff brothers had engaged in tax evasion and money laundering in both the U.S. and Russia. [redacted] According to Akhmetshin, Trump Jr. asked follow up questions about how the alleged payments could be tied specifically to the Clinton Campaign, but Veselnitskaya indicated that she could not trace the money once it entered the U.S.. Kaveladze similarly recalled that Trump Jr. asked what they have on Clinton, and Kushner became aggravated and asked, "what are we doing here?" ..."​


According to the SCO report, the Russian lawyer did try to give Trump Jr. dirt on the Clinton campaign...and not long after, Putin gave the same dirt to Trump that Veselnitskaya tried to give to Trump Jr...


"....PUTIN, referring Monday to Bill Browder, a prominent Putin critic and investor charged with financial crimes in Russia: “Business associates of Mr. Browder have earned over $1.5 billion in Russia. They never paid any taxes, neither in Russia nor in the United States, and yet the money escaped the country. They were transferred to the United States. They sent huge amount of money, $400 million, as a contribution to the campaign of Hillary Clinton.”

THE FACTS: The notion of a $400 million donation to the Democrat’s campaign is a stratospheric exaggeration. On Tuesday, the Russian general prosecutor’s office said to little fanfare that Putin misspoke and meant $400,000.

The Clinton campaign committee raised less than $564 million. With supportive political action committees added to the equation, Clinton’s effort drew $795 million in donations. Putin’s initial figure suggested a huge chunk of her money came from a small cabal of financiers.

The reality is much less dramatic..."

AP FACT CHECK: Trump, Putin and their Hall of Mirrors​


Btw...Putin had Browder's lawyer, Maginsky assassinated.
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dixon01767 said:
What lie?
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That's not was being offered and you know it. What was being offered was illegally obtained materials by a hostile foreign government who was similarly offering its assistance to the Trump campaign. Russian asset/agent Mifsud approached Trump foreign policy advisor PapaD and told him that Russia had "dirt" on Clinton based on "thousands of emails". PapaD told the campaign and then Russia literally offered to the campaign the very information Mifsud told them Russia had illegally stolen.

You claiming everyone knew what Russia was offering in exchange for the Trump Tower meeting and that it somehow made it NOT collusion is a lie. Russia reached out to the campaign, told them they had illegally obtained materials, offered those materials to the campaign (as part of "its government's support for Mr. Trump"), to which the campaign said "I love it" and took a meeting to get those materials. That is collusion and no lie anyone tries to spin will change the fact it is collusion.

The amount of pro-Russian disinformation on this board anymore is ridiculous.
 
zimmer said:
Where’s the Goebbels Media on this?

Hiding the truth as usual.

It’s time to pull Bob Mueller back before Congress, along with Weissmann to grill these corruptniks.

They knew there was nothing, but they went on their witch hunt/coup attempt anyways.
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Russian agent:

“the crown prosecutor of Russia” had offered “to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father”.
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Douche Jr.:

Seventeen minutes later, Trump Jr welcomes this with the reply: “If it’s what you say, I love it, especially later in the summer.”
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Yep, nothing to see here! :lamo
 
You do know that repeating no collusion doesnt help your case at all?
 
zimmer said:
Where’s the Goebbels Media on this? Hiding the truth as usual. It’s time to pull Bob Mueller back before Congress, along with Weissmann to grill these corruptniks. They knew there was nothing, but they went on their witch hunt/coup attempt anyways.
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Still beating that dead horse??? :confused:

Mueller stated collusion was OUTSIDE his mandate as it wasn't a crime but a political issue... :roll:

Oh FYI the Senate thought the Dems PROVED their case, it just didn't rise to the level of conviction in their Republicant eyes....

Time to end the whines from the Orange Guy Flufferniks… :peace
 
uptower said:
Why on earth would they respond to some nonsense on a blog?

Text of the interaction when Trump Junior was invited to the meeting.



Rob Goldstone knew he was getting information from Russian govt people and he told Don Jr, who agreed to meet them. Case closed.
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Yes, case closed. As in no laws broken and nothing done to break any formal position. Had this broken any law, then Hillary would be set to the flame herself. Because opposition research is something that always takes place during every election cycle.

If I'm to be honest. This kind of think does not sit well with me either. But this doesn't just cover Kushner's meeting. It covers more of the same slander and smearing that has been aimed at Trump's administration for a long time now.

Something that I'm supremely tired of at this point.
 
Oborosen said:
Yes, case closed. As in no laws broken and nothing done to break any formal position. Had this broken any law, then Hillary would be set to the flame herself. Because opposition research is something that always takes place during every election cycle.

If I'm to be honest. This kind of think does not sit well with me either. But this doesn't just cover Kushner's meeting. It covers more of the same slander and smearing that has been aimed at Trump's administration for a long time now.

Something that I'm supremely tired of at this point.
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Unfortunately the fact this is not just some research firm, but agents of a foreign government makes it considerably more concerning. Ignorance is a poor excuse, especially when it has come to light the myriad ways Putin tried to influence the election and is trying for the next.
 
uptower said:
Unfortunately the fact this is not just some research firm, but agents of a foreign government makes it considerably more concerning. Ignorance is a poor excuse, especially when it has come to light the myriad ways Putin tried to influence the election and is trying for the next.
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We've seen the claims of Putin being behind this before and had they even bothered to actually look into these claim. I'd be surprised to see if any of them had any validity.

When it comes to Kushner's case, he was doing what each and every other person in his position would've done and nothing more.

Don't get me wrong, I do believe that Putin should've kept his nose out of our election and I hate the fact that so many sources from Russia tried something to have an impact. But I also hate what the media here did in order to attempt to influence the election like they did. Biting down as hard as they could on conspiracy theories and outright lies, the whispering the retractions to a fraction of the audience.

None the less, Kushner broke no law. He could've handled it better, but that fact still stands.
 
Slyfox696 said:
That's not was being offered and you know it. What was being offered was illegally obtained materials by a hostile foreign government who was similarly offering its assistance to the Trump campaign. Russian asset/agent Mifsud approached Trump foreign policy advisor PapaD and told him that Russia had "dirt" on Clinton based on "thousands of emails". PapaD told the campaign and then Russia literally offered to the campaign the very information Mifsud told them Russia had illegally stolen.
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Mifsud denies telling PapaD that Russia had "thousands of emails." He said he told him that Russia had information on Mrs. Clinton.
Mifsud was never charged with perjury.

It appears that what happened is that PapaD assumed that the information Mifsud spoke about was the missing Clinton emails.
That's what he told Downer.
When the DNC emails were released, Downer assumed these were the emails PapaD was talking about.
In other words, it was all one big mis-communication.
It should be pointed out that the Trump campaign never received information from Russia.

You claiming everyone knew what Russia was offering in exchange for the Trump Tower meeting and that it somehow made it NOT collusion is a lie. Russia reached out to the campaign, told them they had illegally obtained materials, offered those materials to the campaign (as part of "its government's support for Mr. Trump"), to which the campaign said "I love it" and took a meeting to get those materials. That is collusion and no lie anyone tries to spin will change the fact it is collusion.
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That's fair enough to criticize Trump Jr (a real estate developer with no experience with foreign intrigue BTW) for this. But again no information was ever received.
Meanwhile, the Clinton campaign had no problem seeking and accepting anti-Trump information from Russia. The Obama Admin had no problem using such information, and unverified information despite the availability of the vast power and experience of the government, against an American citizen.
So in reality, who comes off worse here?
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Slyfox696 said:
That's not was being offered and you know it. What was being offered was illegally obtained materials by a hostile foreign government who was similarly offering its assistance to the Trump campaign. .
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What silliness you babble on about. The info was not illegally obtained. Hell, they might of gotten it from the US news media. AND contrary to what you've been convinced of, its not illegal to get information from foreign governments.
 
notquiteright said:
Still beating that dead horse??? :confused:

Mueller stated collusion was OUTSIDE his mandate as it wasn't a crime but a political issue... :roll:
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Made up nonsense. Mueller determined there was no coordination whatsoever between the Trump campaign and Russia even though "coordination" isn't a crime.
 
Oborosen said:
Yes, case closed. As in no laws broken and nothing done to break any formal position. Had this broken any law, then Hillary would be set to the flame herself. .
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Someone would need to investigate first. Mueller doesnt know who or what Fusion GPS even is
 
uptower said:
Unfortunately the fact this is not just some research firm, but agents of a foreign government makes it considerably more concerning. .
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Hillarys info in the Steele Dossier came from people within that same government.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Mifsud denies telling PapaD that Russia had "thousands of emails." He said he told him that Russia had information on Mrs. Clinton. Mifsud was never charged with perjury.
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:lamo

Mifsud is a Russian asset/agent who fled the country. Why are you defending Russia?

That's fair enough to criticize Trump Jr (a real estate developer with no experience with foreign intrigue BTW) for this. But again no information was ever received.
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This is a blatant lie. Read the Mueller indictment of the GRU.

dixon01767 said:
What silliness you babble on about.
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It's called the truth. Why are you trying to post lies about the truth?

The info was not illegally obtained.
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Wait, now you're claiming Russia DIDN'T hack the DNC?

My God, you could at least try to pretend you aren't here to spread blatant disinformation.
 
uptower said:
Holy Deflection Batman. Throw in Benghazi and the Body Trail and you hit the trifecta.
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How is it a deflection? It called YOUR double standard depending if its a Republican or Democrat.
 
Slyfox696 said:
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It's called the truth. Why are you trying to post lies about the truth?

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Nonsense, lets see your evidence that the information was gained illegally. Show us you didn't just make that up yourself.

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Wait, now you're claiming Russia DIDN'T hack the DNC?

My God, you could at least try to pretend you aren't here to spread blatant disinformation.
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We, of course were talking about the info provided by the Russian lawyer in the Trump Tower meeting. Which of course is why you now would rather talk about DNC emails.
 
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