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    Re: Russian State Media Freak Out Over Biden

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    I agree. Get well.

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    Re: Russian State Media Freak Out Over Biden

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    Bernie promised a revolution, but what Americans want most at this juncture is Trump out of office and an end to the daily chaos.

    People are suffering from Trump fatigue and "Sleepy Joe" Biden seems the perfect antidote to Trumps constant toxicity.
    You don't have the slightest idea what Americans want. You only know what desperate, panicky Democrats want.
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    Re: Russian State Media Freak Out Over Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by Integrityrespec View Post
    We don't have the money for Bernie's plans, nor the total disregard for a democratic system or a capitalist economy.
    To nitpick:

    - We do not have the money for Bernie dreams... but this is because we obnoxiously spend on Defense and have recently allowed over 90 of the Fortune 500 to pay 0% taxes on their hundreds of billions in 2018 thanks to the 2017 Tax-Cut and Jobs Act. It's because of these things that Trump can declare that he wants to cut Social Security and Medicare to fix debt. When Roosevelt began his New Deal, corporations paid their taxes and we didn't have bloated Defense system.

    - Part of our population does have a total disregard for a democratic system, which is why it has become infamous for racially gerrymandering, closing select polling stations, introducing voter restrictions, and stacking courts. Consider that Bush in 2000, and Trump in 2016, both won through the technicalities of the Electoral College, not popular vote. And recently, Trump was told that it was ok to use a private lawyer to try to enlist the aid of a foreign government to play its part in American democracy. So much for our devotion to democracy.

    - Our regard for a capitalist system is actually somewhat fascist and socialist. In our system, where the super rich can wreck the economy and then demand assistance from the government with their hat in hand, we exist within a truism: socialism is for the rich, while capitalism is left for the rest. A free market does not include tax subsidies, select tax-cuts, and the use of the tax-payer military to enrich select private corporations. You see, after getting their bail out in 2008, they then eventually received their escape from paying taxes in 2017. Tomorrow they will lobby a Senator to deploy the tax-paying military for their purposes. Do you see the fascism and the socialism here?

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    Re: Russian State Media Freak Out Over Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by 3leftsdoo View Post
    Irrelevant nonsense.

    All manner of parties create "influence."

    And the greatest election interference in this country comes from the oligarchy and the media they control.

    They pick the candidates and endlessly pimp their anti-democratic values.

    THAT is the real danger, not some ridiculous Russian bogeyman.
    Ignore everything that isn't the single biggest issue in the entire universe? Ok. Why are you so opposed to universal healthcare when there are children starving in the world?

    As for anti-democratic values, that is precisely what the GOP is. In every sense of the word.
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    Re: Russian State Media Freak Out Over Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post

    - Our regard for a capitalist system is actually somewhat fascist and socialist. In our system, where the super rich can wreck the economy and then demand assistance from the government with their hat in hand, we exist within a truism: socialism is for the rich, while capitalism is left for the rest. A free market does not include tax subsidies, select tax-cuts, and the use of the tax-payer military to enrich select private corporations. You see, after getting their bail out in 2008, they then eventually received their escape from paying taxes in 2017. Tomorrow they will lobby a Senator to deploy the tax-paying military for their purposes. Do you see the fascism and the socialism here?
    I'm not entirely sure about what I'm saying, but it feels like accepting plutocracy in current extent is part of the American Dream where you're free, brave and also greedy. To accumulate 15+ billions you need something more than just hard work, there must be mechanisms in place to make it happen - systemic / structural enablers. For example, there's no way you make that much in Finland - no matter how smart you are. Ultra rich is also like a beacon "look how good your life can be by being hard working American" and when you don't make it you're lazy, stupid, something else? Ultra rich can be icon, something to look up for "when I grow up, I wanna be like Bill Gates" (= one possible American Dream, lot of money).

    Maybe that's one reason why 'showing off' is still a thing in US. Some people try it here too, but majority of us think it's just stupid as it gets. You need special kind of social environment for that to be effective. It's not working here in Finland at all. Here we ask questions like "what you really need?", "what are most valuable things for you?" and funny thing is that you can't buy what's most valuable. With money you get some things, you can jump from planes more often (if you like parachuting), travel more, eat more often in restaurants, so on.. you think your life is much better that way? Sure about that?

    There's so many ways you can fit in and find your ways to live without worrying too much (pro tip: worrying is always useless). Now it's getting personal, but I love hiking, walking in nature, listen birds singing, drink from streams/rivers, make my meals with open fire, swim in sea/lakes/rivers, talk with good friends, play some board and card games, going into sauna, pick some berries from forest, so on.. really basic stuff and it's cheap as nuts. I'm not rich, more like middle class or even lower middle class - not sure where that line goes. I don't have any particular dreams or fancy goals, I'm good with few trips to Lapland or somewhere else in Finland or to foreign countries - now and then.. I'm not reaching for the stars, trying to elevate my life to something extraordinary cool with typical status-factors (you name it). So, it may look like I downplay my life a lot or some people may think that I'm just really restricted person (mentally or otherwise), but I don't have need to run around and chase money, trying to shine.. it's just plain emptiness to me and I don't want that.

    I'm not saying I have even remotely good understanding about so called American Dream and I guess there's all kind of dreams out there.
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    Re: Russian State Media Freak Out Over Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnFox View Post
    I'm not entirely sure about what I'm saying, but it feels like accepting plutocracy in current extent is part of the American Dream where you're free, brave and also greedy. To accumulate 15+ billions you need something more than just hard work, there must be mechanisms in place to make it happen - systemic / structural enablers. For example, there's no way you make that much in Finland - no matter how smart you are. Ultra rich is also like a beacon "look how good your life can be by being hard working American" and when you don't make it you're lazy, stupid, something else? Ultra rich can be icon, something to look up for "when I grow up, I wanna be like Bill Gates" (= one possible American Dream, lot of money).

    Maybe that's one reason why 'showing off' is still a thing in US. Some people try it here too, but majority of us think it's just stupid as it gets. You need special kind of social environment for that to be effective. It's not working here in Finland at all. Here we ask questions like "what you really need?", "what are most valuable things for you?" and funny thing is that you can't buy what's most valuable. With money you get some things, you can jump from planes more often (if you like parachuting), travel more, eat more often in restaurants, so on.. you think your life is much better that way? Sure about that?

    There's so many ways you can fit in and find your ways to live without worrying too much (pro tip: worrying is always useless). Now it's getting personal, but I love hiking, walking in nature, listen birds singing, drink from streams/rivers, make my meals with open fire, swim in sea/lakes/rivers, talk with good friends, play some board and card games, going into sauna, pick some berries from forest, so on.. really basic stuff and it's cheap as nuts. I'm not rich, more like middle class or even lower middle class - not sure where that line goes. I don't have any particular dreams or fancy goals, I'm good with few trips to Lapland or somewhere else in Finland or to foreign countries - now and then.. I'm not reaching for the stars, trying to elevate my life to something extraordinary cool with typical status-factors (you name it). So, it may look like I downplay my life a lot or some people may think that I'm just really restricted person (mentally or otherwise), but I don't have need to run around and chase money, trying to shine.. it's just plain emptiness to me and I don't want that.

    I'm not saying I have even remotely good understanding about so called American Dream and I guess there's all kind of dreams out there.
    I think you are hitting on a psychology that is common among the average person, especially conservatives, and especially American ones.

    Conservatives: Conservatives admire wealth because successful people are seen as having worked hard in pursuing a moral obligation to provide for themselves and their families in a difficult and uncertain world. This is why they oppose welfare for the poor because this encourages dependence so that the failures of a society are parasites on the successes thereby inverting the proper incentive structure.

    Liberals: Liberals are suspicious of wealth, feeling that much of it is inherited or obtained through sharp business practices or outright corruption. They also feel that concentrating resources in the hands of the one percent impoverishes everyone else thereby undermining social trust. They support welfare programs for the poor because these may reduce child poverty, as well as reducing crime and social problems.

    In America, our political leaders have long attached themselves to Big Business because corporations fund political campaigns. The Court's 2010 decision on Citizens United hammered this into the law books and licensed corporations to give as much as they want without having to report it. In effect, corporations are now free to actually purchase Senators. From the 1970s on, Republicans and Democrats have schemed, maneuvered, and codified an effort to dismantle Roosevelt's New Deal, which was put in place precisely to protect capitalism from itself. Deregulation caused the Great Recession. And in an effort to prove how little they learned, they gave us the Tax-Cut and Jobs Act of 2017. Today, our corporations can make hundreds of billions of dollars and pay 0 taxes. But ask the average American citizen what he pays. Now we hear that Trump wants to cut the payroll tax, in which employers pay a percentage, which goes towards Social Security and Medicare. Once again, we see an attempt to completely dismantle the New Deal so the wealthy can get wealthier while stranding the average American citizen who is told to just "work harder." In the meantime, conservatives have bought into the line that they are guardians of the rich, who might one day "trickle-down" some pennies for their efforts.

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    Re: Russian State Media Freak Out Over Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Today, our corporations can make hundreds of billions of dollars and pay 0 taxes. But ask the average American citizen what he pays. Now we hear that Trump wants to cut the payroll tax, in which employers pay a percentage, which goes towards Social Security and Medicare. Once again, we see an attempt to completely dismantle the New Deal so the wealthy can get wealthier while stranding the average American citizen who is told to just "work harder." In the meantime, conservatives have bought into the line that they are guardians of the rich, who might one day "trickle-down" some pennies for their efforts.
    Some people are proud of that system? Sorry, but in my eyes, that's not just unfair - it's insane. Maybe Right Wingers are happy with that. How many people still believe in that "trickle-down" scam? Looks like what's normal in America can be disgusting to me. Those who think I'm stupid, feel free to say it - it's not going to break me.
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    Re: Russian State Media Freak Out Over Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The non-stop fake McCarthy fear mongering about the Russians shows just are absurdly gullible most Democrats are.
    I'm just curious how long they will continue to use Russia as the boogeyman. When Trump stomps Biden it should be interesting to see what kind of conspiracy theories involving Russia will come out. You know they are already queuing up the Russian Bots swaying Bernie Bros over to Trump or some other garbage.

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    Re: Russian State Media Freak Out Over Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnFox View Post
    Some people are proud of that system? Sorry, but in my eyes, that's not just unfair - it's insane. Maybe Right Wingers are happy with that. How many people still believe in that "trickle-down" scam? Looks like what's normal in America can be disgusting to me. Those who think I'm stupid, feel free to say it - it's not going to break me.
    The only ones who are proud of this are the architects (such as Phil and Wendy Gramm) who spent a couple decades dismantling the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, along with the corporate elite who were persistent at lobbying Congress and continue to rob America of its wealth. It was Reagan and Bush I's persistent dream, it was Clinton's two key legislative Acts (with help from Jesse Jackson), it was Bush II's persistent push to make the bubble bigger as banks exponentially gambled with the actual intent of providing more and more bad loans to increase profits, it was Obama who correctly cast blame in a campaign speech but then immediately hired Clinton's financial deregulation team, and it was Trump's 2017 signature that excused corporations of their duties to tax payers. And what happened when the banks began their meltdown?

    - In 2008, the Democrats blamed Republicans for driving the repeal of Glass-Steagall and Phil Gramm, ignoring Bill Clinton's statement when he signed the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999: "Today what we are doing is modernizing the financial services industry, tearing down those antiquated laws and granting banks significant new authority."

    - In 2008, the Phil Gramm blamed the victims and Republicans blamed Democratic do-gooders for forcing lenders to help out the underclass, which ignored the fact that the Gramm-Leach-Bailey Act of 1999, which became the aforementioned Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999, made it harder for regulators to hold banks accountable for their refusal to obey their obligations to the poor. Phil Gramm insisted on this freedom in 1999 with the threat of blowing the Bill apart if Clinton did not get rid of the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 as a part of the new Financial Services Modernization Act. Clinton, without fully dismantling CRA (insert Jesse Jackson's part with the Black Caucasus), signed the Bill. So, were free to do nothing for the poor, which means that Republican argument that Democratic do-gooders were to blame was BS.


    The decade leading up to the banking crisis (Great Recession) is easily compared to the Roaring Twenties, which led to the Panic of 1929 (Great Depression), in which Glass-Steagall was created to ensure that a line was drawn: Either you were a bank that took deposits and made loans to unsophisticated customers....or you were an investment house playing with rich folk's money in the stock market and risky markets. Repealing Glass-Steagall allowed banks to do both...again. You know, because we are Americans and learning is dumb.

    - Liberals are generally aware of what has happened because it was the liberal Democrats who consistently argued against this process and tried to raise the alarm, even with Bill Clinton being an ally of those key Republicans who pushed for it. Democrats who did get on board followed Clinton's rationale that Republicans should not get all the corporate money for campaigns. He and they became an ally of Big Business and helped push the Republican agenda for their donors.

    - Conservatives tend to completely ignore what was happening because it interfered with their skewed ideology of the American dream, their delusions about Reaganomics & Trickle-Down, and their false notions that they are crusaders in a class war between capitalism and communism. They ignored the very few Republicans who tried to raise the alarm along with those liberal Democrats at the end of the 1990s when Clinton's two key signature legislative documents dismantled banking regulation laws and set the world up for disaster.

    You've seen this conservative obtuse behavior recently: In 2017 before the Tax-Cut and Jobs Act got rammed through the GOP-led Congress, economists and the Democrats were trying to sound the alarm by pointing out that the wealthy were getting permanent cuts and corporations were being provided wide open loop holes to escape taxes. The GOP and Trump simply defaulted to declaring that Democrats just hate Trump and the media is "fake." Conservatives everywhere ate this up and cheered Trump on because he and FOX News argued that "the left" just hates the successful rich and want to turn the country socialist. Even now, with the evidence clearly showing that what was warned quickly came true, they ignore. They are like lemmings who can't quite figure out how to get off the path. In terms of historical studies or anthropology, this is known as the "progress trap." But I digress.
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