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    Re: Trump...wants to keep...cruise passengers on the ship so... virus #s dont go up

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    We're thinking along the same lines. You posted that while I posted #127. I don't know the methods, but I know how many labs have been certified. That article was two days ago.
    Fair enough, and thanks for the link.

    I'm pretty impressed that you & I work through our subjects to generally come to a collaborative (& often corroborative!) finding. It's similar to the efforts I've done at work with good co-workers in good teams, and it's always enjoyable.

    Thanks for the conversation!
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    Re: Trump...wants to keep...cruise passengers on the ship so... virus #s dont go up

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Fair enough, and thanks for the link.

    I'm pretty impressed that you & I work through our subjects to generally come to a collaborative (& often corroborative!) finding. It's similar to the efforts I've done at work with good co-workers in good teams, and it's always enjoyable.

    Thanks for the conversation!

    I just don't see why you make me look stuff up. My guesses are usually pretty good.


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    Re: Trump...wants to keep...cruise passengers on the ship so... virus #s dont go up

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I just don't see why you make me look stuff up. My guesses are usually pretty good.

    Somebody's got to keep you on your toes!
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    Re: Trump...wants to keep...cruise passengers on the ship so... virus #s dont go up

    Quote Originally Posted by Utility Man View Post
    Chicago Public Schools Employee 6th Coronavirus Patient in Illinois

    Published March 6, 2020 • Updated on March 6, 2020 at 9:35 pm

    ...The woman, who remains hospitalized in stable condition, recently traveled on the Grand Princess - the cruise ship on which 21 passengers tested positive for the coronavirus....
    ...After returning home on Feb. 24, the patient went to her job at Vaughn Occupational High School, a specialty school for students with special needs and disabilities. The unidentified employee was last present at work on March 2....

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Now we know why cases have been popping-up in Chicagoland. A school employee contracted the disease from the contaminated ship, and then was at school for over a week? I suppose the good news is kids have much better prognosis, but that may not mean they can't be carriers.
    Indeed...passengers from a cruise ship introduced the virus to Utah and Colorado as well. Same thing, they were held in quarantine on the ship and then released to go home and then a week later, they test positive for the virus.

    Health officials working to identify Utahns who interacted with coronavirus patient before illness was detected

    Second ‘presumptive positive’ Colorado coronavirus case is Douglas County woman who traveled internationally


    It's getting closer to home, now. So I guess we won't be going out much.
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    Re: Trump...wants to keep...cruise passengers on the ship so... virus #s dont go up

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Thanks for weighing-in to provide context.

    This explanation may be fair, but it still reflects that the hospitals in general had not developed adequate testing protocols & systems. Nor do we no how long it would take them to successfully do it. If it was simple at the time to do the tests, they would have been done. So to say the peeps on the ship could be 'tested by any hospital' does not seem to be true at that time. It may be coming true for certain hospitals, labs, or clinics, now. But it was not true at the time of the incident. And having seen some of this stuff even though I don't have knowledge of the biology, I can say that without knowing the specific methodology of the testing - you guys are surmising at how easy it is to test for this specific virus. but it may be more complex and more specialized than you realize.
    Oh yeah, these people totally aren't getting tested tomorrow at the local clinic. They'll have to wait until CDC tests are produced in number because no one else right now is developing a test. It wouldn't take very long, but probably better at this point to wait.

    But a local lab or hospital could produce a test, probably in a few days, that would be accurate, if given a waiver by the FDA. It wouldn't be enough to test 3500 people, but it could happen.

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    Re: Trump...wants to keep...cruise passengers on the ship so... virus #s dont go up

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    What has Trump lied about?

    Who doesn't have compassion for those affected?
    1- there are lists of his lies that run into the thousands, easily available; 2- the only thing Donald “Take Out Their Families” Trump has compassion for is his pocketbook.

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    Re: Trump...wants to keep...cruise passengers on the ship so... virus #s dont go up

    Quote Originally Posted by Metric Mouse View Post
    Oh yeah, these people totally aren't getting tested tomorrow at the local clinic. They'll have to wait until CDC tests are produced in number because no one else right now is developing a test. It wouldn't take very long, but probably better at this point to wait.

    But a local lab or hospital could produce a test, probably in a few days, that would be accurate, if given a waiver by the FDA. It wouldn't be enough to test 3500 people, but it could happen.
    See post #127. There's nearly 100 certified labs and two private testing companies. Testing 3500 people is doable. With about 80 labs certified now, those alone are capable of 8000 tests per day. The private companies, I dunno.

    There's nothing stopping us from helping those people.
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    Re: Trump...wants to keep...cruise passengers on the ship so... virus #s dont go up

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Indeed...passengers from a cruise ship introduced the virus to Utah and Colorado as well. Same thing, they were held in quarantine on the ship and then released to go home and then a week later, they test positive for the virus.

    Health officials working to identify Utahns who interacted with coronavirus patient before illness was detected

    Second ‘presumptive positive’ Colorado coronavirus case is Douglas County woman who traveled internationally


    It's getting closer to home, now. So I guess we won't be going out much.
    It's getting 'closer to home', pretty much everywhere:

    (Johns-Hopkins) Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by Johns Hopkins CSSE

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    Re: Trump...wants to keep...cruise passengers on the ship so... virus #s dont go up

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Only nobody said any such thing.

    So you just made it up.

    There are procedures for situations like this that don't include leaving people on a boat until everything just runs it's course.
    Apparently your TDS is getting in the way of your ability to read the news. The ship is docking and people will be getting off. You should have known this before making your ridiculous post.

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    Re: Trump...wants to keep...cruise passengers on the ship so... virus #s dont go up

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That's moronic. The people should be tested, quarantined and treated at an actual medical facility. Not left to die on the Death Boat. No one is suggesting they enter the populace untested. No one is suggesting they go to Disney Land. People are suggesting they have access to a real medical facility so they don't die.
    "Moronic" is acting as though I was arguing to keep them out. Calm yourself.
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