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Romney could derail Republican subpoena targeting Bidens

ObamacareFail said:
Because I simply do not take a site seriously that can be edited by the readers.

You cannot claim they are edited by the readers. And what do those show?

If you are referring to the listed sources on wiki, don't bother. I do not see them as I do not bother to click on the links. If you want to prove a point and list a source, just link to a mainstream source. Then I will at least click on it and read it, even if it is a fake news site like CNN. Then I will tell you if I agree or disagree with it.

If you really want to understand the Biden family corruption, I recommend you read the book "Profiles in Corruption". by Peter Sweitzer. Everything in it is well-sourced. Biden is not the alter boy you want to claim he is.

It warrants investigation. If it had involved one of Trump's sons, you would be screaming at the top of your lungs for an investigation.
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I provided a list of the original sources so there's no excuse. The usual response from Trump's people: "I don't read, I won't look it up, convince me I'm wrong."

As for Biden, I never claimed he is squeaky clean. I'm sure his political baggage will come out in the general election, some of which may even be covered in Sweitzer's book. What I was referring to specifically was Burisma's corruption scandal, in which at has never been demonstrated nor officially suspected that the Bidens were 'involved'. So far there's only internet rumors and innuendo; pure name association.
 
TomFitz said:
And why is that. It is very well known that Biden made those comments with the full knowledge and approval of both the President and of leaders of NATO and the EU.

He wasn’t some crazy TV lawyer and two Russian bag man doing some exotic blackmail scheme, while the “official” US policy was something else.

Trumpster have to work very, very hard to ignore that very obvious distinction.

Which is why fewer and fewer people are taking Trumpism seriously, anymore.
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What you are failing to catch onto is that Quid Pro Joe Biden interfered in UKraine's government, likely in an effort to protect his bastard crack smoking son.
 
uptower said:
I provided a list of the original sources so there's no excuse. The usual response from Trump's people: "I don't read, I won't look it up, convince me I'm wrong."
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For the last time, if you give a damn if I look at a source you provide, do not provide a source that allow's it's readers to edit the material. I don't care how many fine print sources it may include. I do not take wikipedia seriously. You will just have to live with that.

As for Biden, I never claimed he is squeaky clean. I'm sure his political baggage will come out in the general election, some of which may even be covered in Sweitzer's book. What I was referring to specifically was Burisma's corruption scandal, in which at has never been demonstrated nor officially suspected that the Bidens were 'involved'. So far there's only internet rumors and innuendo; pure name association.
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If you happen to read the book, you will at least know what is accused. There is plenty that should be investigated. Even what is not illegal will be very politically damaging. There is much more to go on then the second hand gossip that the democrats used to attempt to get Trump thrown out of office.
 
ObamacareFail said:
You are making it up in partisan fashion as you go along. Mueller could not come up with any Trump crimes despite a three year investigation. And the sham impeachment hearings were based on gossip type hearsay. On the other hand, Joe Biden held loan guarantees over the former Ukraine president's head to get the prosecutor fired who was investigating his crack smoking son who met with the US state department for the sake of Burisma. Biden even bragged about pushing the firing.
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You didn't read the report did you. It said if the commission had found evidence exonerating the President they would have said so. And for the 1,000th time. VP Biden held the aid up because that was American policy. anus tangerinus wants the investigation for his personal benefit.
 
ObamacareFail said:
For the last time, if you give a damn if I look at a source you provide, do not provide a source that allow's it's readers to edit the material. I don't care how many fine print sources it may include. I do not take wikipedia seriously. You will just have to live with that.
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Once again, wikipedia is not the source. I do take the fine print seriously. You're refusing to read primary sources and media outlets. Go to link 38 on the Burisma page - it takes you directly to a PDF document produced by the criminal court. Show us Hunter Biden's name among the accused.



Benghisma is a made-up scandal and will not result in a single charge being brought: just watch, it's for grandstanding ahead of the election.
 
mrjurrs said:
You didn't read the report did you. It said if the commission had found evidence exonerating the President they would have said so. And for the 1,000th time. VP Biden held the aid up because that was American policy. anus tangerinus wants the investigation for his personal benefit.
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Listen to Biden's own words. He specifically informed the Ukranian government that they would not get the loan guarantees unless they fired the prosecutor. And he gave them six hours to do so. It is not American policy to dictate to other nations who their government should fire. In the least, Biden is guilty of what the looney left impeached Trump over.
 
uptower said:
Once again, wikipedia is not the source. I do take the fine print seriously. You're refusing to read primary sources and media outlets. Go to link 38 on the Burisma page - it takes you directly to a PDF document produced by the criminal court. Show us Hunter Biden's name among the accused.



Benghisma is a made-up scandal and will not result in a single charge being brought: just watch, it's for grandstanding ahead of the election.
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If you post a link to wikipedia, you are using wikipedia as the source. Then you are attempting to back it up by asking me to read the fine print. If I do not trust the source, I am not going to waste my time chasing fine print. As for Busrisma, read the book then we can talk. Your claim that the Burisma investigation is over a made up scandal is hilarious. The looney left impeached Trump over much much less.
 
bradt99 said:
I don't know why republicans would protect a corrupt democrat, I really don't. They need to be held to the same standards as republicans.
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Republicans are clearly not being held to any standards. The impeachment trial was a fake. No trial anywhere has had no witnesses. They are total hypocrites.
 
ObamacareFail said:
If you post a link to wikipedia, you are using wikipedia as the source. Then you are attempting to back it up by asking me to read the fine print. If I do not trust the source, I am not going to waste my time chasing fine print. As for Busrisma, read the book then we can talk.
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It's not "fine print," it's primary sources. Why can't you even skim the court documents I posted? Jesus, now I have to go and buy and read a whole book about your alleged conspiracy theories and you won't even click on an article or PDF? At least point me to the chapter, better yet summarize it for us and tell us where the author got the information (hint, it's in the "fine print" at the back, AKA bibliography).

I'll throw one more bone. Tell us exactly what Biden's son is allegedly suspected of doing; what Biden is suspected of doing and the suspected motive in your own words. Provide a link to a source I can glance at, any source even if it's a biased one. I will counter with whatever proper articles I can find. No Wikipedia links if it offends you, I promise.
 
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marke said:
There are some compelling evidences that Romney was himself getting rich off Ukraine corruption, so I image he would be strongly opposed to any investigations into corruption in Ukraine.
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Jesus, here we go again. Post this 'compelling evidence' for us will you please?
 
j brown's body said:
Romney could derail Republican subpoena targeting Bidens - POLITICO

Romney showing himself to what could be the conscience of a political party contaminated by a corrupt leader.
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Romney is an embarrassment to the GOP. I voted for the guy because he was the Republican nominee and I thought his business experience would be a benefit to the country. As it turned out he was weak when it came to the debates and he let Obama hit him with the Soviet Union wants it foriegn policy back and Candy Crowley intervene in answering a question for Obama in which she was wrong.
 
The AntiDonald said:
Republicans are clearly not being held to any standards. The impeachment trial was a fake. No trial anywhere has had no witnesses. They are total hypocrites.
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But then, you are making it up as you go along. There were 17 witnesses in the House hearings. When the looney left turned the articles of impeachment over to the Senate, they calimed it was a rock solid case. Why would they need more witnesses?
 
uptower said:
It's not "fine print," it's primary sources. Why can't you even skim the court documents I posted? Jesus, now I have to go and buy and read a whole book about your alleged conspiracy theories and you won't even click on an article or PDF? At least point me to the chapter, better yet summarize it for us and tell us where the author got the information (hint, it's in the "fine print" at the back, AKA bibliography).

I'll throw one more bone. Tell us exactly what Biden's son is allegedly suspected of doing; what Biden is suspected of doing and the suspected motive in your own words. Provide a link to a source I can glance at, any source even if it's a biased one. I will counter with whatever proper articles I can find. No Wikipedia links if it offends you, I promise.
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Bye bye.
 
ObamacareFail said:
What you are failing to catch onto is that Quid Pro Joe Biden interfered in UKraine's government, likely in an effort to protect his bastard crack smoking son.
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I’m not missing anything. Biden was there to get the prosecutor fired for NOT investating issues like Burisma.
 
ObamacareFail said:
What you are failing to catch onto is that Quid Pro Joe Biden interfered in UKraine's government, likely in an effort to protect his bastard crack smoking son.
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Sad that you so openly display your naked jealousy of the Biden's.

Joe Biden did what he did working for the US gov't, with the support of Senate Republican whores, for public gain.
 
TomFitz said:
I’m not missing anything. Biden was there to get the prosecutor fired for NOT investating issues like Burisma.
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Biden has no business demanding that Ukraine fire a prosecutor for any reason, especially with the threat of withholding aid. Don't you get it? That is similar and at least as bad as what the fringe left wrote articles of impeachment aimed at Trump over. You are hilarious.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Sad that you so openly display your naked jealousy of the Biden's.
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I don't hate anyone. It's not worth it. However I do despise his corruptness.

Joe Biden did what he did working for the US gov't, with the support of Senate Republican whores, for public gain.
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Joe Biden was attempting to protect his crack smoking son. Nothing more. Either way, holding loan guarantees over the Ukranian president's head no matter how corrupt he may have been, and demanding that he fire a prosecutor is interference in that nation's affairs. How much different is that then your party's claim that Trump held up US Aid to get the new Ukranian president to investigate Burisma? Your double standards are hilarious.
 
ObamacareFail said:
I don't hate anyone. It's not worth it. However I do despise his corruptness.
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That's a fun thing to see you blurt out, as you cannot demonstrate any such corruptness on his part.
Joe Biden was attempting to protect his crack smoking son. Nothing more. Either way, holding loan guarantees over the Ukranian president's head no matter how corrupt he may have been, and demanding that he fire a prosecutor is interference in that nation's affairs. How much different is that then your party's claim that Trump held up US Aid to get the new Ukranian president to investigate Burisma? Your double standards are hilarious.
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No, he wasn't, nor can you demonstrate that he was. He was carrying out official US policy, in the open, with the support of Senate whore-republicans.

And I don't have a party, so you're shooting blanks again.

"Double-standards"? LOL! Priceless!
 
uptower said:
No, mind closed.

You are refusing also to acknowledge the primary and news sources that the wiki page cites. Why not at least click on those links? You cannot claim they are edited by the readers. And what do those show? That outside of right-wing fantasy, the Bidens have not been investigated nor have they even been suspected of wrongdoing by officialdom.

So until you can provide some valid sources that say otherwise, Romney is right: this is a political hit job. It's not even a real investigation just grandstanding ahead of an election.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-court-forces-probe-into-biden-role-in-firing-of-prosecutor-viktor-shokin/2020/02/27/92710222-5983-11ea-8efd-0f904bdd8057_story.html
 
Tanngrisnir said:
That's a fun thing to see you blurt out, as you cannot demonstrate any such corruptness on his part.

No, he wasn't, nor can you demonstrate that he was. He was carrying out official US policy, in the open, with the support of Senate whore-republicans.

And I don't have a party, so you're shooting blanks again.

"Double-standards"? LOL! Priceless!
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...the irony of the above post is just... priceless.
 
ObamacareFail said:
What you are failing to catch onto is that Quid Pro Joe Biden interfered in UKraine's government, likely in an effort to protect his bastard crack smoking son.
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Just leave it alone. They don't care how bad this looked for Biden, nor how bad it was for him to come up on television and gloat about doing it.

We already have people calling for his actions to be investigated and all of the shady crap around it, really isn't helping Biden's chances in any of this.
They're just the same "orange man bad" posters as they will always be and no matter how much possible corruption sits right in front of their faces. They will overlook it, just so they can spit on Trump.

Even if you showed them that Biden should be investigated, like others have called for. They're simply going to switch angle and deny anything is wrong, as always.
 
Oborosen said:
Just leave it alone. They don't care how bad this looked for Biden, nor how bad it was for him to come up on television and gloat about doing it.

We already have people calling for his actions to be investigated and all of the shady crap around it, really isn't helping Biden's chances in any of this.
They're just the same "orange man bad" posters as they will always be and no matter how much possible corruption sits right in front of their faces. They will overlook it, just so they can spit on Trump.

Even if you showed them that Biden should be investigated, like others have called for. They're simply going to switch angle and deny anything is wrong, as always.
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It's a bit ridiculous isn't it? I mean practically all politicians use the powers of their office for personal gain in some fashion or other. Republicans and Democrats are no different in this regard. It's a bit absurd for them to spend so much time accusing each other of corruption when they are both equally guilty.
 
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