Sanders Is The Front-Runner After New Hampshire, And A Contested Convention Has Become More Likely

jet57 · Feb 20, 2020

Jay59 said:
You don't need to wonder. We saw the reaction during Obama's administration, particularly during term two. No, Sanders would not be able to do whatever he wanted. He's not a Democrat and never tried to make friends with them.

"Doing what ever he wants to" is the set up for the right who gave Trump permission to do the same. Barring any upsets, and since Russia is reported to be meddling for Trump again, I'm going to support sanders in this race; he;s ahead and seems know to have the best chance.

We'll see.

Jay59 · Feb 20, 2020

jet57 said:
"Doing what ever he wants to" is the set up for the right who gave Trump permission to do the same. Barring any upsets, and since Russia is reported to be meddling for Trump again, I'm going to support sanders in this race; he;s ahead and seems know to have the best chance. We'll see.

As if Trump was ever able to do anything without someone screaming foul.

Russia would have to meddle for Trump the first time for there to be an again. Just sayin'.

slick · Feb 20, 2020

dcsports said:
Sanders has 21 out of 1991 delegates needed to win. It's still very early in the race. We'll have a much clearer picture after Super Tuesday, when the field is also likely to consolidate.

Since the Democrat party doesn't use the winner take all system, it's going to be very difficult for any of the candidates to win knock out blow based on getting a plurality in a few states. This was a big part of Trump's victory when he was not the favorite of Most Republicans.

Personally, I don't see supporters for the non-sanders candidates shifting to Sanders as they drop out. Buttigieg focused his campaign on the first few states, and he's not likely to finish as strongly down the road in other states. All the non 'feel the Bern' voters are going to line up around whichever of the three senators doesn't drop out.

'We'll have a much clearer picture after Super Tuesday,'

average projected delegates through Super Tuesday:

Sanders 608 (41% of delegates thru March 3)
Bloomberg 273 (18%)
Biden 270 (18%)
Buttigieg 157 (10%)
Warren 127 (8%)
Klobuchar 55 (4%)Who Will Win The 2020 Democratic Primary? | FiveThirtyEight

dcsports · Feb 21, 2020

slick said:
'We'll have a much clearer picture after Super Tuesday,'

average projected delegates through Super Tuesday:

Sanders 608 (41% of delegates thru March 3)
Bloomberg 273 (18%)
Biden 270 (18%)
Buttigieg 157 (10%)
Warren 127 (8%)
Klobuchar 55 (4%)Who Will Win The 2020 Democratic Primary? | FiveThirtyEight

538's models are interesting, but not particularly useful in this case. We need to see the actual results from Super Tuesday, and who might drop out, before we get a clearer picture. There's too many moving parts to make an accurate prediction.

An interesting example of what you get with polls and trying to drive predictions using a statistical model -- the website gives a 41% chance (2 in 5 odds) that the winner of the Democrat Primary will be.... no one. Sanders is 7% behind no one winning.

jaypatriot · Feb 21, 2020

Hawkeye10 said:
The Party will never let Sanders be the nominee if they can help it.

I consider it my duty to make sure that they cant.

And what can you (or anyone) actually do to prevent that unfortunate outcome?

Hawkeye10 · Feb 21, 2020

jaypatriot said:
And what can you (or anyone) actually do to prevent that unfortunate outcome?

Making sure that Sanders has the needed votes to win on the first vote...even our crap elite would never go that far, to so visually defy the will of the people, though Lordy they do suck ass.

Keeping in mind that although I said that I have not decided who I will vote for, but I do claim that Sanders and Trump both represent The Rebellion...We who got to ENOUGH!....we who have decided that heads must roll,,,,,for the kids if no other reason.

jet57 · Feb 21, 2020

Jay59 said:
As if Trump was ever able to do anything without someone screaming foul.

Russia would have to meddle for Trump the first time for there to be an again. Just sayin'.

Russia did meddle; it's all been proven.

Jay59 · Feb 21, 2020

jet57 said:
Russia did meddle; it's all been proven.

:lamo Russian interference for Trump is an alternate fact.

You guys kill me, "the investigation did not establish that the Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."
Mueller report, page 2

Russian interference has been around for generations. You can make a better case that the interfered for Hillary, because they supplied Steele with rumors for his dossier.

jet57 · Feb 22, 2020

Jay59 said:
:lamo Russian interference for Trump is an alternate fact.

You guys kill me, "the investigation did not establish that the Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."
Mueller report, page 2

Russian interference has been around for generations. You can make a better case that the interfered for Hillary, because they supplied Steele with rumors for his dossier.

The investigation "established" that the Russians were interfering in our election to help Trump win.

Jay59 · Feb 22, 2020

jet57 said:
The investigation "established" that the Russians were interfering in our election to help Trump win.

It did not. That's a conspiracy theory.

You need to broaden your reading habits.

jet57 · Feb 22, 2020

Jay59 said:
It did not. That's a conspiracy theory.

You need to broaden your reading habits.

Wrong again: ‘Putin Has Won’: Mueller Report Details the Ways Russia Interfered in the 2016 Election - WSJ

WASHINGTON—Robert Mueller’s long-awaited report is unambiguously clear on this point: Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election and sought to help Donald Trump win the White House.

: WSJ is a subscription site but the quoted line does appear for free.

Key Findings of the Mueller Report | ACS

Russia engaged in extensive attacks on the U.S. election system in 2016

Russian interference in the 2016 election was “sweeping and systemic.”[1]

Major attack avenues included a social media “information warfare” campaign that “favored” candidate Trump[2] and the hacking of Clinton campaign-related databases and release of stolen materials through Russian-created entities and Wikileaks.[3]

Russia also targeted databases in many states related to administering elections gaining access to information for millions of registered voters.[4]

So YOU need to read, THINK, then speak. If you are going to argue facts with me, please do your homework first.

Lord of Planar · Feb 22, 2020

jet57 said:
The investigation "established" that the Russians were interfering in our election to help Trump win.

Why does that matter?

Do you think we never interfere with another countries elections to get the outcome we want?

It's understandable the Russians would help president Trump id they can. He wants to improve relations with other countries. The democrats are just world bullies, and talk bad about them.

What type of diplomacy is bigotry and hate?

Seriously. Stop and take a critical look sometime just how much vile hatred the party of tolerance has about others.

MagicKirin · Feb 22, 2020

Sander supporters are mostly of three types

The racists like AOC and the rest of the squad
Young ignorant people who want giveaways
Actual socialists who want big government and no freedom of thought

jet57 · Feb 22, 2020

Lord of Planar said:
Why does that matter?

Do you think we never interfere with another countries elections to get the outcome we want?

It's understandable the Russians would help president Trump id they can. He wants to improve relations with other countries. The democrats are just world bullies, and talk bad about them.

What type of diplomacy is bigotry and hate?

Seriously. Stop and take a critical look sometime just how much vile hatred the party of tolerance has about others.

Whataboutism is a diversionary Soviet tactic of argumentation.

Trump is conniving thief and an unethical bully who has risen to the presidency through the help of Vladimir Putin. Now Putin is up to it again: that is NOT okay and the Democratic party in the last three years has done everything necessary to point out how corrupt Trump and his cabal actually is. From the sound of your post, you think that's okay though: i.e. as long as right-wing politics and agendas are being served it doesn't matter what kind of blind thuggery and thievery represents you.

Don't ever complain about a Democrat or Bernie Sanders etc again. You've shown yourself, like the other far right-wingers here to be - unAmerican.

d0gbreath · Feb 22, 2020

The Democratic Party seems to be running the 'ole statue of liberty, flea flicker, double reverse, end around play. Expect to see a different front runner every three or four weeks for the next five months. That should be enough to run Rudy and Vladimir around in circles. Then after the DNC, they'll get 3.5 months to dig up dirt on the correct candidate. Which they will.

It just won't be as effective after crying wolf six or seven times.

slick · Feb 22, 2020

Hawkeye10 said:
Have you heard the argument that the party is now so weak that it is effectively controlled the so-called journalists, the activist journalists, the propagandizers, the brain molders?

We have it ass backwards thinking that the media is the PR arm of the party, that the party is in charge, is the claim.

Dems are looking for a candidate who can eliminate jobs, tank the economy & promote lousy trade deals. Their problem is that
all there candidates are more than capable of doing exactly that. That's why it's so difficult for them to choose as they seek
pundits from CNN & MSNBC for answers!

joko104 · Feb 22, 2020

MrPeanut said:
It would probably be smarter for them to let him win with a simple majority of votes. It doesn't look like there will be a wave of lefties flooding congress so most of Sanders' agenda won't even come close to coming true. It also won't alienate young voters and whatever independents he convinces to jump on board.

That is the new Bernie Bros campaign pitch. They claim the reason to vote for Sanders is because he won't be able to get anything done. So don't worry and vote for the old white millionaire fool since he's impotent to do anything anyway. :lamo

Jay59 · Feb 22, 2020

jet57 said:
Wrong again: ‘Putin Has Won’: Mueller Report Details the Ways Russia Interfered in the 2016 Election - WSJ
: WSJ is a subscription site but the quoted line does appear for free. Key Findings of the Mueller Report | ACS

Did you read these to check if they said what you claim they said? It talks extensively about Russian activities, but not activities supporting one candidate over the other.

So YOU need to read, THINK, then speak. If you are going to argue facts with me, please do your homework first.

Good advice. You should follow it.

jet57 · Feb 22, 2020

Jay59 said:
Did you read these to check if they said what you claim they said? It talks extensively about Russian activities, but not activities supporting one candidate over the other.

Good advice. You should follow it.

WASHINGTON—Robert Mueller’s long-awaited report is unambiguously clear on this point: Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election and sought to help Donald Trump win the White House.

You forgot the THINK part.

Jay59 · Feb 22, 2020

jet57 said:
You forgot the THINK part.

Except that the Mueller report does not say that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election and sought to help Donald Trump win the White House. It gives great detail about how they sought to interfere, but not what candidate they promoted if any. Those are alternate facts, also known as fake news. Feel free to cite the report where it says that they sought to help Trump.

Besides, they didn't manage anything, even if they wanted too. "The Russians have a long history of interfering in elections, theirs and other people's. I don't think we've ever encountered a more aggressive or direct campaign to interfere in our election than we've seen in this case."..."They did not change any vote tallies or anything of that sort..."
James Clapper before the Armed Services committee

Lord of Planar · Feb 22, 2020

jet57 said:
Whataboutism is a diversionary Soviet tactic of argumentation.

Trump is conniving thief and an unethical bully who has risen to the presidency through the help of Vladimir Putin. Now Putin is up to it again: that is NOT okay and the Democratic party in the last three years has done everything necessary to point out how corrupt Trump and his cabal actually is. From the sound of your post, you think that's okay though: i.e. as long as right-wing politics and agendas are being served it doesn't matter what kind of blind thuggery and thievery represents you.

Don't ever complain about a Democrat or Bernie Sanders etc again. You've shown yourself, like the other far right-wingers here to be - unAmerican.

He is no more a thief or bully than other politicians. He just doesn't hide it, making him more honest than the others.

Hawkeye10 · Feb 23, 2020

slick said:
Dems are looking for a candidate who can eliminate jobs, tank the economy & promote lousy trade deals. Their problem is that
all there candidates are more than capable of doing exactly that. That's why it's so difficult for them to choose as they seek
pundits from CNN & MSNBC for answers!

The Left is on a Crusade....this is about spreading the religion and getting UTOPIA built before the world falls apart...literally.

Lord of Planar · Feb 23, 2020

Hawkeye10 said:
The Left is on a Crusade....this is about spreading the religion and getting UTOPIA built before the world falls apart...literally.

Their crusade will change the USA into the USSA.

Hawkeye10 · Feb 23, 2020

Lord of Planar said:
Their crusade will change the USA into the USSA.

Did you notice how Soviet the House looked during impeachment? I have been saying for about ten years that we are increasingly aping the failed Soviet system, which is so disastrously stupid that I cant come up with the exactly right words to convey how bad America has already become.

I was never supposed to have to live through this magnitude of collapse, this is stunning in both breadth and speed.

Lord of Planar · Feb 23, 2020

Hawkeye10 said:
Did you notice how Soviet the House looked during impeachment? I have been saying for about ten years that we are increasingly aping the failed Soviet system, which is so disastrously stupid that I cant come up with the exactly right words to convey how bad America has already become.

I was never supposed to have to live through this magnitude of collapse, this is stunning in both breadth and speed.

The democrats are trying to rip this nation apart with their hate.

Aren't they the ones that keep saying we have to accept others for who they are?

See my signature.

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