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The Democratic establishment is out of time

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The sub head, it may be too late to stop the Bern. The Democratic establishment is out of time

We know which side the Democratic National Committee, the party's leadership in Congress, wealthy mega-donors, and luminaries like the Obamas and the Clintons are on. We also know that they are willing to do pretty much anything to prevent Sanders from winning the nomination in 2020. The question is whether they will be able to.

I am not so sure the answer is yes.​

Sanders won again in New Hampshire, as was expected. Buttigieg finished a close second, but the real story is that Amy Klobuchar, who few if any take seriously, had more votes than Warren and Biden combined.

Mayor Pete has shown a remarkable ground game, which should lay to rest any comparisons to Beto o'Roark. However, there is little time and much real estate to cover for the Super Tuesday voting, less than three weeks away. Bernie is covered. Is Pete, or Amy for that matter?
 
Jay59 said:
The sub head, it may be too late to stop the Bern. The Democratic establishment is out of time

We know which side the Democratic National Committee, the party's leadership in Congress, wealthy mega-donors, and luminaries like the Obamas and the Clintons are on. We also know that they are willing to do pretty much anything to prevent Sanders from winning the nomination in 2020. The question is whether they will be able to.

I am not so sure the answer is yes.​

Sanders won again in New Hampshire, as was expected. Buttigieg finished a close second, but the real story is that Amy Klobuchar, who few if any take seriously, had more votes than Warren and Biden combined.

Mayor Pete has shown a remarkable ground game, which should lay to rest any comparisons to Beto o'Roark. However, there is little time and much real estate to cover for the Super Tuesday voting, less than three weeks away. Bernie is covered. Is Pete, or Amy for that matter?
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I think their plan at this point is prevent Bernie from reaching the 50% threshold and then pool all the moderate's delegates around one moderate. Will be a disaster if they do it but, that's what I think they will try to do. So, basically Bernie has to over perform if he wants to win, imo.
 
I have said it before and will say it again the DNC is it's own worst enemy.
 
Nah....they arent out of time. They will still screw Bernie...the question is who will be the actual nominee. I was pretty certain it would be Mikey...but I dont know. As silly as it sounds..theres Amy....

Keep an eye on her.

I will say...with the recent audio releases...if its going to be Mikey, Stacey Abrams is now looking really good for a VP pick. Maybe even a necessity.
 
Jay59 said:
The sub head, it may be too late to stop the Bern. The Democratic establishment is out of time

We know which side the Democratic National Committee, the party's leadership in Congress, wealthy mega-donors, and luminaries like the Obamas and the Clintons are on. We also know that they are willing to do pretty much anything to prevent Sanders from winning the nomination in 2020. The question is whether they will be able to.

I am not so sure the answer is yes.​

Sanders won again in New Hampshire, as was expected. Buttigieg finished a close second, but the real story is that Amy Klobuchar, who few if any take seriously, had more votes than Warren and Biden combined.

Mayor Pete has shown a remarkable ground game, which should lay to rest any comparisons to Beto o'Roark. However, there is little time and much real estate to cover for the Super Tuesday voting, less than three weeks away. Bernie is covered. Is Pete, or Amy for that matter?
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Don't worry. Bernie won't be the Dem nominee. He'll take the DNC money and run. (and buy another house, or a plane, or a car...etc.)
 
VanceMack said:
Nah....they arent out of time. They will still screw Bernie...the question is who will be the actual nominee. I was pretty certain it would be Mikey...but I dont know. As silly as it sounds..theres Amy....Keep an eye on her. I will say...with the recent audio releases...if its going to be Mikey, Stacey Abrams is now looking really good for a VP pick. Maybe even a necessity.
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Klobuchar is a valid dark horse. Mayor Pete is too young and too inexperienced. Klobuchar has chops.

Bloomburg is not. Some see him as a Trump redux and it fits in some ways. However, there is a reason he has not been out in public. Sooner or later he will have to get up on the stump and give a speech. Splat. Pity too, because he would be the best at actually doing the job. That said, I plan to vote for Bernie. WYSIWYG
 
Winston said:
I think their plan at this point is prevent Bernie from reaching the 50% threshold and then pool all the moderate's delegates around one moderate. Will be a disaster if they do it but, that's what I think they will try to do. So, basically Bernie has to over perform if he wants to win, imo.
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You just stepped into the trap of another trump OP. Please take notes of who these folks are for future reference.

Also note in which states the RNC isn’t having GOP primaries.

While banana republicans have turned this nation into a fascist regime, you promote Democratic division.
 
Winston said:
I think their plan at this point is prevent Bernie from reaching the 50% threshold and then pool all the moderate's delegates around one moderate. Will be a disaster if they do it but, that's what I think they will try to do. So, basically Bernie has to over perform if he wants to win, imo.
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It's my prediction as well that Bernie will likely win a plurality of the delegates but won't have a majority. With this many people in the primary, it's going to be really hard for any of them to achieve >50%. The DNC will then allow themselves to use the super delegates to nominate whoever is in 2nd place that isn't' Bernie. My current guess is that will be Bloomberg--I think Pete is heading down hill after these early states. The left wing will cry foul and antics will ensue. The democrats will whinge about "party unity" and "beating Trump" and then will lose to him because 30-40% of their base will stay home or write in Bernie. It's going to be a ****-show and likely will spell the end of the Democrats for at least the next 4 or 5 years. They will blame it all on Bernie and the "BernieBros" of course and try the exact same thing again in 2024.
 
Jay59 said:
The sub head, it may be too late to stop the Bern. The Democratic establishment is out of time

We know which side the Democratic National Committee, the party's leadership in Congress, wealthy mega-donors, and luminaries like the Obamas and the Clintons are on. We also know that they are willing to do pretty much anything to prevent Sanders from winning the nomination in 2020. The question is whether they will be able to.

I am not so sure the answer is yes.​

Sanders won again in New Hampshire, as was expected. Buttigieg finished a close second, but the real story is that Amy Klobuchar, who few if any take seriously, had more votes than Warren and Biden combined.

Mayor Pete has shown a remarkable ground game, which should lay to rest any comparisons to Beto o'Roark. However, there is little time and much real estate to cover for the Super Tuesday voting, less than three weeks away. Bernie is covered. Is Pete, or Amy for that matter?
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Bernie is not covered. The message from Bernie’s campaign is that he could win with hordes of new and infrequent voters. Those votes are not materializing in the primary. In fact, he’s doing worse than he did in 2016. As things stand, Pete is the front runner for the nomination.
 
Napoleon said:
Bernie is not covered. The message from Bernie’s campaign is that he could win with hordes of new and infrequent voters. Those votes are not materializing in the primary. In fact, he’s doing worse than he did in 2016. As things stand, Pete is the front runner for the nomination.
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If anyone is winning new and infrequent voters, it's Trump.

I don't buy Mayor Pete as the front runner, because I don't believe he has the necessary nationwide machine. California, North Carolina, Virginia and Texas all vote in three weeks. It's 40% of the delegates on one day. He also seems to have issues appealing to minorities. Nevada and South Carolina will give us a peek at that.

Klobuchar has a resume and she's a female alternative to Warren. I can see her as the dark horse in the race.
 
Mycroft said:
Don't worry. Bernie won't be the Dem nominee. He'll take the DNC money and run. (and buy another house, or a plane, or a car...etc.)
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Pretty dishonest that he inherited the second house from a dying parent and now you're claiming he bought it with campaign funds. This is an objective lie.

Could you perhaps have an agenda?
 
Jay59 said:
The sub head, it may be too late to stop the Bern. The Democratic establishment is out of time

We know which side the Democratic National Committee, the party's leadership in Congress, wealthy mega-donors, and luminaries like the Obamas and the Clintons are on. We also know that they are willing to do pretty much anything to prevent Sanders from winning the nomination in 2020. The question is whether they will be able to.

I am not so sure the answer is yes.​

Sanders won again in New Hampshire, as was expected. Buttigieg finished a close second, but the real story is that Amy Klobuchar, who few if any take seriously, had more votes than Warren and Biden combined.

Mayor Pete has shown a remarkable ground game, which should lay to rest any comparisons to Beto o'Roark. However, there is little time and much real estate to cover for the Super Tuesday voting, less than three weeks away. Bernie is covered. Is Pete, or Amy for that matter?
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Don't get me wrong--I hate the idea of all three branches being under GOP/conservative control---but I hate the democrats even more, so I will take solace in knowing the Trump clown car rides on three flat tires so there is only so much damage they can do.
 
Jay59 said:
If anyone is winning new and infrequent voters, it's Trump.

I don't buy Mayor Pete as the front runner, because I don't believe he has the necessary nationwide machine. California, North Carolina, Virginia and Texas all vote in three weeks. It's 40% of the delegates on one day. He also seems to have issues appealing to minorities. Nevada and South Carolina will give us a peek at that.

Klobuchar has a resume and she's a female alternative to Warren. I can see her as the dark horse in the race.
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It’s early and Pete is the current frontrunner. What happens on a nationwide scale will depend on endorsements and who the supporters of Biden, Warren, and Klobuchar coalesce around after they drop out. That candidate won’t be Bernie Sanders. It’s going to be Pete Buttigieg and Mike Bloomberg. Bernie’s only hope is to use a plurality vote as a cudgel at brokered convention.
 
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Napoleon said:
It’s early and Pete is the current frontrunner. What happens on a nationwide scale will depend on endorsements and who the supporters of Biden, Warren, and Klobuchar coalesce around after they drop out. That candidate won’t be Bernie Sanders. It’s going to be Pete Buttigieg and Mike Bloomberg.
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I don't buy Pete as the frontrunner, yet. Sanders has it for now. Nationwide matters right now, because of Super Tuesday in three weeks.

I also don't believe Bloomburg. He's almost too Trump-like and he has not shown his face for good reason.

That leaves Klobuchar.
 
Jay59 said:
Klobuchar is a valid dark horse. Mayor Pete is too young and too inexperienced. Klobuchar has chops.

Bloomburg is not. Some see him as a Trump redux and it fits in some ways. However, there is a reason he has not been out in public. Sooner or later he will have to get up on the stump and give a speech. Splat. Pity too, because he would be the best at actually doing the job. That said, I plan to vote for Bernie. WYSIWYG
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Mikey is never out of the running. At the end of the day, the DNC (and even Bernie) is all about the Benjamins.
 
IMO, the only person that could have had any hope of beating Trump was marginalized by the elites, and that is/was Tulsi Gabbard. I'm not sure why she's not appealing to many of the dimwits, maybe the media hating her from the start, Hillary? Who knows, but she is the only true moderate in the whole group, even though she supported some of the idiocy that the left almost demands these days. In the general she would have had the most credibility tracking back to the center. Klobuchar isn't a target yet, but she will be, and that's when we'll see what she has, but let's say she wins, wait until Trump gets hold of her, and paints her face to the Kavenaugh hearings where Amy was very vocal about Kav needing to prove his innocence, as opposed to you know, the other way around.

She tries to put on a tough game face, but let's be honest, Trump will mop the floor with her, maybe even make her cry on stage.. LOL

Doesn't matter, you guys already lost, these independent gallop poll numbers are brutal if you're a dimwit, and even worse the black and brown vote will not neatly reach Obama levels, that ship has sailed with Trump improving their lives, and the lives of every American.


Tim-
 
Linc said:
You just stepped into the trap of another trump OP. Please take notes of who these folks are for future reference.

Also note in which states the RNC isn’t having GOP primaries.

While banana republicans have turned this nation into a fascist regime, you promote Democratic division.
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Which GOP states are not having primaries? I missed that one!
 
Jay59 said:
I don't buy Pete as the frontrunner, yet. Sanders has it for now. Nationwide matters right now, because of Super Tuesday in three weeks.

I also don't believe Bloomburg. He's almost too Trump-like and he has not shown his face for good reason.

That leaves Klobuchar.
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Pete has the most delegates right now so I’m not sure why you would doubt that he is the frontrunner.
 
Hicup said:
IMO, the only person that could have had any hope of beating Trump was marginalized by the elites, and that is/was Tulsi Gabbard. I'm not sure why she's not appealing to many of the dimwits, maybe the media hating her from the start, Hillary? Who knows, but she is the only true moderate in the whole group, even though she supported some of the idiocy that the left almost demands these days. In the general she would have had the most credibility tracking back to the center. Klobuchar isn't a target yet, but she will be, and that's when we'll see what she has, but let's say she wins, wait until Trump gets hold of her, and paints her face to the Kavenaugh hearings where Amy was very vocal about Kav needing to prove his innocence, as opposed to you know, the other way around.

She tries to put on a tough game face, but let's be honest, Trump will mop the floor with her, maybe even make her cry on stage.. LOL

Doesn't matter, you guys already lost, these independent gallop poll numbers are brutal if you're a dimwit, and even worse the black and brown vote will not neatly reach Obama levels, that ship has sailed with Trump improving their lives, and the lives of every American.


Tim-
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I don’t see where that will be a problem.

The only people who are shedding crockodile tears over Kavanaugh are Limbaughloonies.
 
Winston said:
I think their plan at this point is prevent Bernie from reaching the 50% threshold and then pool all the moderate's delegates around one moderate. Will be a disaster if they do it but, that's what I think they will try to do. So, basically Bernie has to over perform if he wants to win, imo.
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The NH numbers are showing that the moderate base with democratic voters shouldn’t be excused and ignored.

The NH numbers for Trump came in well above expectations for an incumbent, far exceeding past result.

The above shows two things in my opinion, Independents will be lost for the democrats along with those that won’t bother voting and those that flip. Buttigieg and Klobuchar were the indicators for the dislike for socialism no matter how gift wrapped it is. Warren got reality slapped even though she is a Senator from a neighboring state the boarders the counties with 60% of NH voters.

The only miracle for the DNC is Bloomberg, and if all that money carries results in the 14 states on super Tuesday, we will have to wait on that.

Anything other than an explosion of support for Bloomberg will be the end for the Democrat’s, Sanders, Buttigieg and Klobuchar stand absolutely zero chance of winning the presidential election.

In the end, the DNC thought they could put up anyone to challenge Trump because they believe the built narrative of their own making.
 
TomFitz said:
Which GOP states are not having primaries? I missed that one!
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AZ, NV, SC, KS, and AK so far. Of these five, only SC has an open primary/caucus. I expect to see a continued, coordinated operation chaos in SC from the gop, as I believe happened in NH.

While February primaries are like College Conference Basketball tournaments, MARCH Madness in the Democratic primaries has a total of 61.5% of the total delegates.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Pretty dishonest that he inherited the second house from a dying parent and now you're claiming he bought it with campaign funds. This is an objective lie.

Could you perhaps have an agenda?
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I made no such claims. I said nothing about campaign funds.

But you should really get your facts straight before you start spouting off. Bernie didn't inherit a house from a dying parent, his wife did. And she sold that house. They still have 3 houses.
 
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