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Sanders Campaign Erupts on Chuck Todd for Citing Quote Comparing Bernie Bros to Nazis

Serenity said:
Sticks and stones and all that.

Stay focused. Your pillow is your conscience.
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It immediately made me think of the John Mellencamp song. Minutes To Memories.

The rain hit the old dog in the twilight's last gleaming
He said Son it sounds like rattling old bones
This highway is long but I know some that are longer
By sunup tomorrow I guess I'll be home
Through the hills of Kentucky 'cross the Ohio river
The old man kept talking 'bout his life and his times
He fell asleep with his head against the window
He said an honest man's pillow is his peace of mind
This world offers riches and riches will grow wings
I don't take stock in those uncertain things
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I love your avatar. I also support MSF.
 
cpwill said:
Good point. Those ole hard core socialist regimes that Bernie has been a cheerleader for are absolute teddy bears. :roll: Venezuela, Cuba, the Soviet Union, none of them have human rights records that are remotely similar to history's horrific abusers.
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So, has he said anything like this recently? In the last ten years or so? Or do you have to go back to the 70s or 80s to find him saying anything like this? By contrast, how recently was it that the Donald was praising white supremacists?
 
American said:
I'm sorry, but your wrong about Trump on Charlottesville, and so is everyone else I've seen talk about this.

PolitiFact | In Context: Donald Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks (transcript)

Here are the exact remarks made to reporter's questions. He never said Neo-Nazis were good people, nor did he say that their counter-parts on the Left were good people. He said, if you read this carefully, that there were people AMONG them that were protesting quietly about the statue; and that they were the ones that were good, because they weren't causing the trouble. He clearly states several times that Neo-Nazis and white supremacists are bad, including the guy who drove the car into the crowd. I'm getting fed up with the constant mischaracterization of Trump's remarks on Charlottesville, and in some cases just outright lying about them. He was even handed in calling out the troublemakers on both sides, while making clear that these crowd contained other people there protesting peacefully for other reasons. Whether you or anyone else likes Trump or not, is beside the point. Stop making **** up.
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No, that's clearly not what he said. There weren't nice people quietly protesting the removal of the statue. When asked about it later, he referenced the guys holding torches. Those were white supremacists, who were raising all kinds of hell earlier that day and afterward.
 
VanceMack said:
The media is not doing the 'rights' bidding on this...the media is doing what they did in 2016...****ing Bernie for the sake of the DNC. The Media is the Gimp...the DNC is Maynard. Zed...well...Zed aint dead...but we do have a new Zed. Zed used to be Hillary. We arent 100% yet but Im pretty sure this years Zed is Mikey. Bernie...well...Bernie is damn sure not Marcellus Wallace and the Bernie Bros...they aint Butch. They already got Gimp ****ed once, and its about to happen again.
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I remember a Trump speech. Supporting waterboarding, pliers and blowtorch, orange Kool-Aid...
 
Evilroddy said:
GreatNews2Night:

1) DNC changing the rules of the campaign in order to allow Mike Bloomberg to participate in the upcoming debate on Feb. 19th, 2020. Also changing the fund raising rules to accomodate Bloomberg's participation in that next debate.

2) Tom Perez canvassing for Nomination Committee delegates who are likely opposed to a Sanders' win, while allowing only very few pro-Sanders/Warren structural change type nominees to make the cut.

3) DNC reviewing whether to reempower the 700 super delegates to vote in the first round of voting at the convention rather than in subsequent rounds only, presumably to head off the possibility of a first round outright win by Candidate Sanders and to ensure a brokered convention choice for the presidential candidacy.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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Yup, Perez promised he wouldn't be another Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, and he's not...he eclipsed her a ways back.
 
It would be nice if Bernie Bros wore some kind of uniform. Like they all wore the same shirt color, or something.
 
ashurbanipal said:
So, has he said anything like this recently? In the last ten years or so? Or do you have to go back to the 70s or 80s to find him saying anything like this?
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1. I don't think I would say that the "oh that was in the past" defense is going to save him... Vietnam, after all, was 50 years ago, and the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth definitely harmed the Kerry Campaign.

2. Bernie was defending the Castro regime on its healthcare as recently as 2016, and soft-pedaling on refusing to label Maduro (who endorsed him in the 2016 primary race) a dictator, or recognize Guaido, in early 2019.

3. You could say that he's softened a bit lately, willing to acknowledge that there are some abuses, that Castro was a dictator in retrospect ("but he had good healthcare!"), but he wasn't an impressionable foolish teen when he took these positions. When he flew down to celebrate the Sandinistas in 1985, he was 44.


By contrast, how recently was it that the Donald was praising white supremacists?
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And that's a vulnerability for his campaign - one Democrats have and should and will exploit. But Bernie and his supporters don't seem willing to acknowledge that he has a weakness in the area discussed above, and, the GOP should and will exploit it as well. :shrug:
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Yup, Perez promised he wouldn't be another Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, and he's not...he eclipsed her a ways back.
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:lamo

I remember that bogeyman! Sanders supporters loved to foam at the mouth over her, just like they love to foam at the mouth over anything that endangers their entitlement complex over Saint Bernard.

Let me help you with something: The DNC is under zero obligation to pander to Sanders and his followers. Zero. If that man wants the nomination, he needs to earn it. Maybe, just maybe, doing less whining about the DNC and "the establishment" might be a good start? Mix in some basic people skills and y'all just might have a chance! ;)
 
cpwill said:
1. I don't think I would say that the "oh that was in the past" defense is going to save him... Vietnam, after all, was 50 years ago, and the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth definitely harmed the Kerry Campaign.
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Sure, but Kerry was making claims about his service during the campaign, bringing them back to immediate relevance. He also, rather strangely, didn't respond to the Swift Boat ads--and he clearly could have, as it turns out those ads were highly misleading. I found it downright odd to watch.

cpwill said:
2. Bernie was defending the Castro regime on its healthcare as recently as 2016, and soft-pedaling on refusing to label Maduro (who endorsed him in the 2016 primary race) a dictator, or recognize Guaido, in early 2019.
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Well, if you're talking about the remarks I think you are, he's got a point. Even with their crappy economy, somehow Cuba manages to give health care to every one of its citizens, and they have outcomes about as good as the ones our health care system produces for less than a tenth of the price. He said unequivocally in that same interview that he does not praise Castro, as he was a dictator, and he does not praise the Cuban economic system overall, because it's been a disaster.

Whether people will listen to that point is, of course, questionable in this age of twitter and the five-second sound bite.

cpwill said:
3. You could say that he's softened a bit lately, willing to acknowledge that there are some abuses, that Castro was a dictator in retrospect ("but he had good healthcare!"), but he wasn't an impressionable foolish teen when he took these positions. When he flew down to celebrate the Sandinistas in 1985, he was 44.
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Sure--but there again, he had a point. We were supporting a conservative Nicaraguan regime that was every bit as brutal as anything Castro ever did, and against those odds, the Sandinistas overthrew that government (with overwhelming popular support in Nicaragua, one might add). Then we started funding insurgency groups, particularly the Contras, against the Sandinistas, merely because they were kinda socialist. We now know the extent to which the Reagan administration funded everything from psyops to full-on guerilla warfare against the Sandinistas, and it should be clear in retrospect that we shouldn't have done so.

cpwill said:
And that's a vulnerability for his campaign - one Democrats have and should and will exploit. But Bernie and his supporters don't seem willing to acknowledge that he has a weakness in the area discussed above, and, the GOP should and will exploit it as well. :shrug:
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Oh, I'm sure we'll be hearing a lot more of it as the various campaigns progress. How it'll play out is anyone's guess for the most part. Some will listen to and understand the nuance. Others will not. I'm going to keep a ginger hand at trying to predict how things will play.
 
ashurbanipal said:
Sure, but Kerry was making claims about his service during the campaign, bringing them back to immediate relevance. He also, rather strangely, didn't respond to the Swift Boat ads--and he clearly could have, as it turns out those ads were highly misleading. I found it downright odd to watch.
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Sanders is running on - among many other things - a plan to radically overhaul healthcare. That he's praised the healthcare systems of places like Cuba is going to seem pretty relevant when it comes to assessing his judgement of what makes for a good healthcare system.

Kerry had made a number of false statements about his service in Vietnam - both he and the SBV folks were right about some things and wrong about others. I can see why he didn't want to get into it with them, and have it become about that.

Romney was attacked for his time at Bain Capital, to great effect. When someone's past can be used to define them - especially if you can run the ad using a clip of the individual reinforcing that definition in their own words ("Corporations are people!" "Yes, but Castro had great healthcare!") - it can be an effective tool in a political campaign.

Well, if you're talking about the remarks I think you are, he's got a point. Even with their crappy economy, somehow Cuba manages to give health care to every one of its citizens, and they have outcomes about as good as the ones our health care system produces for less than a tenth of the price.
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While this is unfortunately incorrect, I highly encourage him - as someone who wants to see the Bernie wing of the party discredited and ruined - to make this argument as strongly as possible throughout the 2020 campaign.

He said unequivocally in that same interview that he does not praise Castro, as he was a dictator, and he does not praise the Cuban economic system overall, because it's been a disaster. Whether people will listen to that point is, of course, questionable in this age of twitter and the five-second sound bite.
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If you are coming back with "I only sorta kinda praised him but also criticized him", that may be a nuanced and thought out position, but, you are right, it's not one that fits into political messaging well.

Sure--but there again, he had a point. We were supporting a conservative Nicaraguan regime that was every bit as brutal as anything Castro ever did, and against those odds, the Sandinistas overthrew that government (with overwhelming popular support in Nicaragua, one might add). Then we started funding insurgency groups, particularly the Contras, against the Sandinistas, merely because they were kinda socialist. We now know the extent to which the Reagan administration funded everything from psyops to full-on guerilla warfare against the Sandinistas, and it should be clear in retrospect that we shouldn't have done so.
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Yeah, No. Thinking that Reagan shouldn't have supported the Contras is in no way "oh well, obviously I should ally myself with the Sandinistas and become their cheerleader".

Much like "but they have great healthcare!", I don't think responding with "Okay, I was a cheerleader for murderous thugs, But Reagan!!!" isn't exactly going to be a winning position, I think. The first reinforces fears that his healthcare reforms will harm people who like their plans currently, and the second reinforces his age and the feeling that he may be out of touch.

Oh, I'm sure we'll be hearing a lot more of it as the various campaigns progress. How it'll play out is anyone's guess for the most part. Some will listen to and understand the nuance. Others will not. I'm going to keep a ginger hand at trying to predict how things will play.
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I don't know if the Sanders campaign will be able to respond effectively or not. Thus far, they haven't, and they don't seem used to being honestly challenged (they are used to being the insurgents, going after others within a broad-left consensus). But it is definitely a vulnerability, and one he will likely see exploited.
 
Phys251 said:
:lamo

I remember that bogeyman! Sanders supporters loved to foam at the mouth over her, just like they love to foam at the mouth over anything that endangers their entitlement complex over Saint Bernard.

Let me help you with something: The DNC is under zero obligation to pander to Sanders and his followers. Zero. If that man wants the nomination, he needs to earn it. Maybe, just maybe, doing less whining about the DNC and "the establishment" might be a good start? Mix in some basic people skills and y'all just might have a chance! ;)
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Yes, we are entitled to a fair election. Are you not in favor of fair elections?
 
Ruth, we have all been on the receiving end of the Bernie online brigade. Here’s what [Last] says, no other candidate has anything like this digital brown shirt brigade except for Donald Trump. The question is this, ‘What if you can’t win the presidency without an online mob? What if we live where having an a bullying, aggro social media online army popping anyone who sticks their head up, is an ingredient for or a critical marker of success?”

Chuck Todd Blasted for Citing 'Brown Shirt' Quote on Bernie Bros



"Digital Brown Shirts"


I couldn't have put it better myself.
 
CMPancake said:
Chuck Todd Blasted for Citing 'Brown Shirt' Quote on Bernie Bros



The contempt the Mainstream Media has for Bernie's voting base is palpable. I couldn't imagine how terrible, and how miserable of a life that Chuck Todd leaves to see a voting base actually be enthusiastic about a candidate and immediately thinking they're Nazis.
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Lol can you sympathize with Republicans now who are also marginalized in the media and constantly compared to Nazis and other evil groups?
 
Phys251 said:
:lamo

I remember that bogeyman! Sanders supporters loved to foam at the mouth over her, just like they love to foam at the mouth over anything that endangers their entitlement complex over Saint Bernard.

Let me help you with something: The DNC is under zero obligation to pander to Sanders and his followers. Zero. If that man wants the nomination, he needs to earn it. Maybe, just maybe, doing less whining about the DNC and "the establishment" might be a good start? Mix in some basic people skills and y'all just might have a chance! ;)
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That isn't what's being argued. The DNC is not under any obligation but it is under an obligation to be more ethical than it was the last time around. Would you like to argue the DNC's ethics across the board? We can do that and do it without even exploring Bernie at all if you like.
The DNC committed some pretty egregious sins down-ticket and they are preparing to do the same right now.
The DCCC could discriminate against vendors and consultants who assisted primary challenges in competitive swing districts, while welcoming those that aided progressive insurgents in safe “blue” ones. But instead they've launched an across the board blackout against ANY progressives who challenge the so called "moderates" who actually give lifeblood to people like Trump because they like his policies.

I understand that Bernie did not get the needed numbers last time around. He may not get them this time either, but ethics are still ethics and bad ethics will ultimately destroy the party.
You are confusing me with a "bro", possibly for the tenth or twelfth time, even after I repeated my past choice of voting for Hillary after Bernie lost and after repeating my intention to do the same if he loses this time.
What IS the "payoff" for you when you falsely slap the "Bernie Bro" tag on people who aren't?
 
Phys251 said:
Let me help you with something:
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No, let ME help YOU with something....

A) It's NOT okay when Trump runs around calling EVERYONE who disagrees with him a communist.

B) But it's okay for YOU to run around labeling ALL Bernie supporters "Bernie Bros" even if they do vote for the winning candidate in the general elections.

You might as well defend Trump if that's your bag because you're starting to use HIS tactics to blackball someone just because you're not a fan of their favorite candidate.
 
CMPancake said:
Yes, we are entitled to a fair election. Are you not in favor of fair elections?
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Sanders isn't a REAL Democrat!!!! :2mad:

He's not Hillary!!!! :2mad:

He isn't owned by corporate interests!!!! :2mad:

He's not a sociopath!!!! :2mad:

I hope this answers your question.

:thumbs:
 
swing_voter said:
Ruth, we have all been on the receiving end of the Bernie online brigade. Here’s what [Last] says, no other candidate has anything like this digital brown shirt brigade except for Donald Trump. The question is this, ‘What if you can’t win the presidency without an online mob? What if we live where having an a bullying, aggro social media online army popping anyone who sticks their head up, is an ingredient for or a critical marker of success?”

Chuck Todd Blasted for Citing 'Brown Shirt' Quote on Bernie Bros

"Digital Brown Shirts"

I couldn't have put it better myself.
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Imaginary Brownshirts = LITERALLY Hitler!

The Democrat Party is scraping the bottom of the barrel to self-destruct these days...

:thumbs:
 
CMPancake said:
Yes, we are entitled to a fair election. Are you not in favor of fair elections?
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Oooh, oooh, it's the stupid question game! I love this game! Let's play! I'll answer your question with a Yes, and then you answer this one:

Why do you think that a presidential candidate who honeymooned in a Communist nation and has openly praised Communist leaders and revolutions has any chance of becoming president?! ;)

Oh, wait. That was a real question. ****, I'm not as good at going low as you are. You got me beat there. :shrug:
 
Phys251 said:
Oooh, oooh, it's the stupid question game! I love this game! Let's play! I'll answer your question with a Yes, and then you answer this one:

Why do you think that a presidential candidate who honeymooned in a Communist nation and has openly praised Communist leaders and revolutions has any chance of becoming president?! ;)

Oh, wait. That was a real question. ****, I'm not as good at going low as you are. You got me beat there. :shrug:
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Hey well if that before mentioned candidate currently has the most votes well inspite of the efforts to subvert his popularity then why not? So then again I ask you, why are you okay with the DMC intentionally subverting democracy?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
No, let ME help YOU with something....
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You can just stop right there with the laysplaining. :)

It is painfully obvious that you will not listen to a word that's being said outside the progressive bubble. It does not matter whether those words are coming from a mainstream Democrat such as myself, or a non-populist conservative such as cpwill. (Will, if I misidentified you here, feel free to correct me.)

What you are in effect doing is like a student who is struggling to get the basics of physics trying to talk down someone who has a strong command of the material. It's completely absurd, and it's the kind of epic fail that deserves to get you laughed out of the room.

Bernie Sanders will never be President of the United States. You had better let those words penetrate your skull before the voters do it to you in November. :shrug:
 
CMPancake said:
Hey well if that before mentioned candidate currently has the most votes well inspite of the efforts to subvert his popularity then why not? So then again I ask you, why are you okay with the DMC intentionally subverting democracy?
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When will you stop beating your wife?
 
CMPancake said:
Your baseless conspiracy theories are divisive and doesn't help in unifying the Democratic party.
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Who wants to help unify the Democratic Party? I am enjoying them being fractured with Bernie/Warren in one undesirable Leftist lane and Biden/Klobuchar/Buttagieg/Bloomberg struggling to find traction in the same Moderate lane. The coming fireworks in March will be most entertaining - and unpredictable.
 
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