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Sanders Campaign Erupts on Chuck Todd for Citing Quote Comparing Bernie Bros to Nazis

cpwill said:
I don't think I would say Trump has merely supported helpful policies by atrocious regimes - the man praised KJ F'ing U. But, see my above response to Questerr for some source material here.
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Defend Somoza, defend Battista, defend all the brutal right wing dictatorships that were toppled by the people in those countries. If your position is that the backlash went too far to the Left, consider what it took to even mount a successful opposition, it was calculated the way it was calculated because the ruling dictatorship was just as far to the Right.

Since when does a MODERATE centrist beat a radical right wing dictatorship bent on murdering the opposition?
Tell me how that ever works.

To my knowledge it only worked once, when Walesa replaced Jaruzelski, and that only worked because the USSR was already mortally wounded and on life support, and because Jaruzelski RESIGNED.

Listen, my point is, the moderates might have had a better chance had we not witnessed recent decisions which now effectively render Trump ABOVE THE LAW. We are not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy.

It's not that I don't have a moderate side, it's not that I don't have a conservative side, it's not that I view a Bernie as a messiah, it's the fact that forty years of "moderate" Democrats apparently GAVE what the Republicans viewed as a license to self-radicalize.

And there is no question that they have.
 
CMPancake said:
Chuck Todd Blasted for Citing 'Brown Shirt' Quote on Bernie Bros



The contempt the Mainstream Media has for Bernie's voting base is palpable. I couldn't imagine how terrible, and how miserable of a life that Chuck Todd leaves to see a voting base actually be enthusiastic about a candidate and immediately thinking they're Nazis.
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Some of the Bernie Sanders supporters are starting to understand the anger many of us Trump supporters feel and have felt about the dishonest narrative and blatant mischaracterization of him and his supporters by the media.


If it motivated us, I'm sure it will motivate you.
 
FormerCentrist said:
Damn, which I could figure out how to edit my posts. Meant I just DON'T see the word.
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So Sander's campaign should deny the previous half century of his life thru this primary?
 
American said:
I'm sorry, but your wrong about Trump on Charlottesville, and so is everyone else I've seen talk about this.

PolitiFact | In Context: Donald Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks (transcript)

Here are the exact remarks made to reporter's questions. He never said Neo-Nazis were good people, nor did he say that their counter-parts on the Left were good people. He said, if you read this carefully, that there were people AMONG them that were protesting quietly about the statue; and that they were the ones that were good, because they weren't causing the trouble. He clearly states several times that Neo-Nazis and white supremacists are bad, including the guy who drove the car into the crowd. I'm getting fed up with the constant mischaracterization of Trump's remarks on Charlottesville, and in some cases just outright lying about them. He was even handed in calling out the troublemakers on both sides, while making clear that these crowd contained other people there protesting peacefully for other reasons. Whether you or anyone else likes Trump or not, is beside the point. Stop making **** up.
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It was a white supremacist rally. Trump was trying to defend the alt right, specifically. No, they all don’t put themselves down as nazis, but they showed up for rally, organized by white supremacists, to unite all white supremacists.
 
Bernie is not unlike Hitler. Both are socialists.

Both are anti-semitic. Both are pathological liars.
 
American said:
I'm sorry, but your wrong about Trump on Charlottesville, and so is everyone else I've seen talk about this.

PolitiFact | In Context: Donald Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks (transcript)

Here are the exact remarks made to reporter's questions. He never said Neo-Nazis were good people, nor did he say that their counter-parts on the Left were good people. He said, if you read this carefully, that there were people AMONG them that were protesting quietly about the statue; and that they were the ones that were good, because they weren't causing the trouble. He clearly states several times that Neo-Nazis and white supremacists are bad, including the guy who drove the car into the crowd. I'm getting fed up with the constant mischaracterization of Trump's remarks on Charlottesville, and in some cases just outright lying about them. He was even handed in calling out the troublemakers on both sides, while making clear that these crowd contained other people there protesting peacefully for other reasons. Whether you or anyone else likes Trump or not, is beside the point. Stop making **** up.
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Even-handed. That's a laugh.
You guys are so "even-handed" that you're spending huge sums propping up serial revisionists who churn out alternate histories that insist Hitler was a leftist, and the USA was never a democracy.
The first one forces anyone with a brain to wonder why all those tiki-torchers and neo-Nazis supported a rally titled "Unite the Right". If Hitler was a leftist, then what are "leftists" doing putting on a Unite the Right rally in the first place?

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You guys can't even keep track of your own BS, and you're accusing us of misrepresenting Trump.
Trump can't even keep track of his own BS.

Oh wait, don't tell me! Is it time to trot out that "the left bussed in imposters posing as Nazis" trope again? :lamo
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Now Bernie wants to turn the USA into Venezuela, Cuba, the Soviet Union :lamo

Weak sauce, only works on DP.
And you know it :lamo

Be best, CP.

Oh wait...sorry, it might also work on USMB...or Quora, or Craigslist Rants and Raves, or the YouTube comments section.
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Well it’s clear Bernie was more patriotic to the USSR then the USA during the Cold War
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Defend Somoza, defend Battista, defend all the brutal right wing dictatorships that were toppled by the people in those countries. If your position is that the backlash went too far to the Left, consider what it took to even mount a successful opposition, it was calculated the way it was calculated because the ruling dictatorship was just as far to the Right.

Since when does a MODERATE centrist beat a radical right wing dictatorship bent on murdering the opposition?
Tell me how that ever works.

To my knowledge it only worked once, when Walesa replaced Jaruzelski, and that only worked because the USSR was already mortally wounded and on life support, and because Jaruzelski RESIGNED.

Listen, my point is, the moderates might have had a better chance had we not witnessed recent decisions which now effectively render Trump ABOVE THE LAW. We are not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy.

It's not that I don't have a moderate side, it's not that I don't have a conservative side, it's not that I view a Bernie as a messiah, it's the fact that forty years of "moderate" Democrats apparently GAVE what the Republicans viewed as a license to self-radicalize.

And there is no question that they have.
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1. So, trying to mount a defense of those people as the evil that combatted another evil is an option. Bernie might be able to pull it off, but, it's unlikely, given that he hasn't this far, and - again - 70+ year old men tend not to change. It's also not good crises communications- it leaves the debate on whether or not his lifelong defense/cheerleading of brutal murderers because they were leftists is a good thing or not, which is hardly favorable ground.

[Clip of Bernie praising Castro]
[Clip of a Cuban woman talking tearfully about what the Cuban regime did to her child]
[Clip of Bernie responding to criticism of Castro by saying it's all right wing propaganda, and saying they have good health care]
[Back to the woman]

[Repeat, but with another Hispanic American woman who was raped and watched her husband be murdered by Sandinistas]

[Repeat, but with a Hispanic kid who lost his parents...]

[Repeat, but with a Black Cuban, to talk about the Castro Regimes racism...]

If Bernie's response to that is "Okay, yes, but..."... then he's fighting from a losing position, and it will hurt him.




2. In the last few years, the GOP has gotten more moderate on trade, more moderate on the entitlements, more moderate on government spending, more moderate on guns, more moderate on gays, etc., so on, and so forth, all to follow Trump. The only thing I can think of where the party may have moved right is immigration. I think you may be confusing "my level of dislike for X" with "the degree to which X and I disagree".
 
Slavister said:
Do you have any links about Bernie cheerleading or celebraitng those 3 regimes?
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:) if you will check my above reply to Questerr, you will see what is available with a two minute search on a phone. I think it a reasonable assumption the GOP will spend a bit more effort and pull up a bit more, but, you could start there :)
 
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Senator Sanders is tougher than people give him credit for. If he should win the nomination process, which is doubtful since the DNC is stacking the deck heavily against his run once again, then he should not fight a reactive and defensive campaign about himself and his past.

He should go after President Trump and make it clear to Americans that Mr. Trump is a clear and present danger to the American Republic and the US constitution. He should provoke Mr. Trump at every opportunity into tantrums, Twitter storms and public out bursts in order to demonstrate what an unstable, non-genius the sitting president is. He should attack Mr. Trump's past as a private citizen and as a president. He should manoeuvre Mr. Trump into damning himself at every opportunity and should then present a reasoned and calm alternative to the Trump campaign's histrionics, hyperbole and out right lies.

When challenged about his past statements he should simply say that, yes he made them and times have changed. The First Cold War is over and he was trying to build bridges between bitter rival regimes in the interests of peace and eventual rapprochement. The USSR is gone and Trump's idol Vladimir Putin is very much here and is now running a viscious right-wing authoritarian regime in Russia. Fidel Castro is dead and Cuba's main crimes today are resisting American economic and military imperialism and helping other Latin American states who would also like to resist manifest destiny. When questioned about the very real abuses of the Venezuelan state he should compare those abuses to America's allies in the region like Colombia and Brazil which have killed and imprisonned far more innocents than Venezuela. Sanders should attack Trump for his support of criminal regimes like the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, el-Sisi's Egypt, Duterte's Philippines, Xi's China, and of course Putin's Russia. If questioned about visiting Russia in the past he should respond that at least he did'nt build hotels there to support the brutal regime.

Mr. Sander's should go after Mr. Trump's sympathies towards white-nationalist organisations and provoke Trump to attack him. As a Jewish American such attacks could offer Mr. Sanders an excellent opportunity to redefine Mr, Trump as a hate-filled bigot.

Mr. Sanders should compare the costs of his proposed health care revolution to the costs which President Trump has lavishly spent on the US Military. The costs of a universal health care plan may improve the lives of millions of Americans. The costs of the military have no direct benefits to the average American unless that American is a member of the US military or an employee/shareholder in the American arms industry.

In short Mr. Sanders may not be the best candidate for the Democratic Party elites but he could still run way ahead of Mr. Trump and end that cleaver, opportunistic fool's hold on the Presidency, the Republican Party and the American nation.

All the talk about "Bernie Boys" and "left-wing radicalism" is hot air because just about any breathing and sane candidate (Republican or Democrat) would be an excellent alternative to the egomaniacal, narcissistic, mendacious, authoritarian, would-be King who occupies the office now.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Evilroddy said:
Senator Sanders is tougher than people give him credit for. If he should win the nomination process, which is doubtful since the DNC is stacking the deck heavily against his run once again,
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Very good post with some clever ideas. I just don't agree with the above. What's your evidence that the DNC is doing that? This kind of talk is divisive and only helps Trump. Dems need to be united to beat Trump.
 
GreatNews2night said:
Very good post with some clever ideas. I just don't agree with the above. What's your evidence that the DNC is doing that? This kind of talk is divisive and only helps Trump. Dems need to be united to beat Trump.
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GreatNews2Night:

1) DNC changing the rules of the campaign in order to allow Mike Bloomberg to participate in the upcoming debate on Feb. 19th, 2020. Also changing the fund raising rules to accomodate Bloomberg's participation in that next debate.

2) Tom Perez canvassing for Nomination Committee delegates who are likely opposed to a Sanders' win, while allowing only very few pro-Sanders/Warren structural change type nominees to make the cut.

3) DNC reviewing whether to reempower the 700 super delegates to vote in the first round of voting at the convention rather than in subsequent rounds only, presumably to head off the possibility of a first round outright win by Candidate Sanders and to ensure a brokered convention choice for the presidential candidacy.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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What the Democrats learned from 2016 = Be more criminally insane in 2020

Trump til 2025, which is what the Democrats want it would seem.

:shrug:
 
Evilroddy said:
GreatNews2Night:

1) DNC changing the rules of the campaign in order to allow Mike Bloomberg to participate in the upcoming debate on Feb. 19th, 2020. Also changing the fund raising rules to accomodate Bloomberg's participation in that next debate.

2) Tom Perez canvassing for Nomination Committee delegates who are likely opposed to a Sanders' win, while allowing only very few pro-Sanders/Warren structural change type nominees to make the cut.

3) DNC reviewing whether to reempower the 700 super delegates to vote in the first round of voting at the convention rather than in subsequent rounds only, presumably to head off the possibility of a first round outright win by Candidate Sanders and to ensure a brokered convention choice for the presidential candidacy.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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1) Normal. A new kid came to the block and he had his own money. So funding rules meant to keep relevant/viable only candidates, got revised because the new kid was relevant and viable without the need for donors. Likely in the disclosure all candidates signed when they registered, there was a clause saying that the party reserved the right to change some of the rules along the way, if necessary.

2)"likely"

3) "reviewing"

Wake me up when 2 and 3 become a certainty and a decision rather than only likely and still reviewing.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Even-handed. That's a laugh.
You guys are so "even-handed" that you're spending huge sums propping up serial revisionists who churn out alternate histories that insist Hitler was a leftist, and the USA was never a democracy.
The first one forces anyone with a brain to wonder why all those tiki-torchers and neo-Nazis supported a rally titled "Unite the Right". If Hitler was a leftist, then what are "leftists" doing putting on a Unite the Right rally in the first place?

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You guys can't even keep track of your own BS, and you're accusing us of misrepresenting Trump.
Trump can't even keep track of his own BS.

Oh wait, don't tell me! Is it time to trot out that "the left bussed in imposters posing as Nazis" trope again? :lamo
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Politifact is a leftwing group, don't blame me. You should be able to read and comprehend a quote though. :lol:
 
American said:
You questioned their validity by implying they're revisionists.
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Nope. The revisionists are Dinesh D'Souza, Dennis Prager, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Jonah Goldberg, Frank Luntz, etc.
I never once referenced Politifact.
I was referencing the vast sprawling right wing think tank community and their right wing media partners.
 
If Bernie's response to that is "Okay, yes, but..."... then he's fighting from a losing position, and it will hurt him.
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This is Bernie's problem, and the leftest mantra thus far. In the Bern's case, it has to be his answer, his way of dealing with this is to try, ever so delicately to place his comments in context and then run away from them as the media pushes harder on it. If he doesn't then he risks alienating his radical base as a phony. There is much risk there. As to other leftest positions taken by the dimwit field this year, especially earlier on, and unlike previous pivots, it feels different this year. Trump, notwithstanding his other, shall we say, questionable behavior, has proved one thing (well many things), but for one, he fights back more aggressively as any other GOP President in my memory. Not just fights back, like a humorous quip, no, he's as viscous as the attack that was levied against him, and two (bonus), I have never seen a more talented and politically instinctual non-politician in my lifetime. He knows exactly how to push the MSM buttons, and leftest dimwits in congress. He's a magician at it.

The only other candidate the dimwits are running that hasn't been super-duper nutz is Klobuchar, but even she has problems, really big one's that Trump and the Super PACS will destroy.

I honestly, don't see anyone that can beat him, not even Bloomberg. Heck, Bloomberg will get eaten alive once he has to actually answer to real people's questions on the stump!


Tim-
 
Evilroddy said:
Senator Sanders is tougher than people give him credit for. If he should win the nomination process, which is doubtful since the DNC is stacking the deck heavily against his run once again, then he should not fight a reactive and defensive campaign about himself and his past.

He should go after President Trump and make it clear to Americans that Mr. Trump is a clear and present danger to the American Republic and the US constitution. He should provoke Mr. Trump at every opportunity into tantrums, Twitter storms and public out bursts in order to demonstrate what an unstable, non-genius the sitting president is. He should attack Mr. Trump's past as a private citizen and as a president. He should manoeuvre Mr. Trump into damning himself at every opportunity and should then present a reasoned and calm alternative to the Trump campaign's histrionics, hyperbole and out right lies.

When challenged about his past statements he should simply say that, yes he made them and times have changed. The First Cold War is over and he was trying to build bridges between bitter rival regimes in the interests of peace and eventual rapprochement. The USSR is gone and Trump's idol Vladimir Putin is very much here and is now running a viscious right-wing authoritarian regime in Russia. Fidel Castro is dead and Cuba's main crimes today are resisting American economic and military imperialism and helping other Latin American states who would also like to resist manifest destiny. When questioned about the very real abuses of the Venezuelan state he should compare those abuses to America's allies in the region like Colombia and Brazil which have killed and imprisonned far more innocents than Venezuela. Sanders should attack Trump for his support of criminal regimes like the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, el-Sisi's Egypt, Duterte's Philippines, Xi's China, and of course Putin's Russia. If questioned about visiting Russia in the past he should respond that at least he did'nt build hotels there to support the brutal regime.

Mr. Sander's should go after Mr. Trump's sympathies towards white-nationalist organisations and provoke Trump to attack him. As a Jewish American such attacks could offer Mr. Sanders an excellent opportunity to redefine Mr, Trump as a hate-filled bigot.

Mr. Sanders should compare the costs of his proposed health care revolution to the costs which President Trump has lavishly spent on the US Military. The costs of a universal health care plan may improve the lives of millions of Americans. The costs of the military have no direct benefits to the average American unless that American is a member of the US military or an employee/shareholder in the American arms industry.

In short Mr. Sanders may not be the best candidate for the Democratic Party elites but he could still run way ahead of Mr. Trump and end that cleaver, opportunistic fool's hold on the Presidency, the Republican Party and the American nation.

All the talk about "Bernie Boys" and "left-wing radicalism" is hot air because just about any breathing and sane candidate (Republican or Democrat) would be an excellent alternative to the egomaniacal, narcissistic, mendacious, authoritarian, would-be King who occupies the office now.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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First off the idea that Venezuela has killed fewer people then the junta in Brazil is factually false, second the right wing regimes were all reactions to genocidal communist regimes in Russia and Cuba and China. And then also Bernie can’t win with that argument. No one knows who Batista is, everyone knows who the Catros were and we have hidden Can of Bernie’s PAID campaign staff advocating mass imprisonment and revolution, whereas Trump has been president for four years and no one has been disappeared by Trump
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Nope. The revisionists are Dinesh D'Souza, Dennis Prager, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Jonah Goldberg, Frank Luntz, etc.
I never once referenced Politifact.
I was referencing the vast sprawling right wing think tank community and their right wing media partners.
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When did we discuss all those people? I guess I missed that.
 
cpwill said:
When Trump talks about how the Unite The Right idiots in Charlottesville were great folks, he rightfully gets that hung around his neck.
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Except he didn't. He prefaced and followed the statement you references stating very clearly that he was not talking about white supremacists or neo-nazis and that he condemns them completely. He was speaking of the Historical preservationists who were suggesting that a plaque be placed with the statue denouncing what it stood for, but preserving it as a landmark.
 
cpwill said:
1. So, trying to mount a defense of those people as the evil that combatted another evil is an option. Bernie might be able to pull it off, but, it's unlikely, given that he hasn't this far, and - again - 70+ year old men tend not to change. It's also not good crises communications- it leaves the debate on whether or not his lifelong defense/cheerleading of brutal murderers because they were leftists is a good thing or not, which is hardly favorable ground.

[Clip of Bernie praising Castro]
[Clip of a Cuban woman talking tearfully about what the Cuban regime did to her child]
[Clip of Bernie responding to criticism of Castro by saying it's all right wing propaganda, and saying they have good health care]
[Back to the woman]

[Repeat, but with another Hispanic American woman who was raped and watched her husband be murdered by Sandinistas]

[Repeat, but with a Hispanic kid who lost his parents...]

[Repeat, but with a Black Cuban, to talk about the Castro Regimes racism...]

If Bernie's response to that is "Okay, yes, but..."... then he's fighting from a losing position, and it will hurt him.




2. In the last few years, the GOP has gotten more moderate on trade, more moderate on the entitlements, more moderate on government spending, more moderate on guns, more moderate on gays, etc., so on, and so forth, all to follow Trump. The only thing I can think of where the party may have moved right is immigration. I think you may be confusing "my level of dislike for X" with "the degree to which X and I disagree".
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The other thing is, Bernie can’t take the track of defending support for Castro because of Batista, because it’s doubtful there’s any audio of Donald Trump talking glowingly about Batista or Somoza.
 
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