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Lindsey Graham: Giuliani sharing anti-Biden info with Justice Dept

chuckiechan said:
Least of all, they don’t get to leak bits and pieces to create a corrupt narrative.
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Better to hide all the relevant bits and pieces to create a narrative that trump is not corrupt, right?
 
GDViking said:
Sooo you're saying the Senate at should have had wit esses a d called him to testify???
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Oh...for sure. I've said that many times. Bring on ALL the witnesses.

Bolton, Mulvaney, Atkinson, Ciaramella, Schiffty's staffers, Schiffty, himself.

I wanted to see ALL of them testify.

I also wanted the WH defense team to be able to cross-examine all of the witnesses that Schiffty brought before his House Intel committee.
 
What if...? said:
And even Fox news is concerned about the veracity of Rudy and his "sources".

FOX.

Think about that for a minute.
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Then Fox should also be concerned with William Barr and Lindsey Graham as well.
 
it is possible Barr has not seen Bidens public extortion confession and actually needs extra info..

 
Mycroft said:
The only people who have "politicized the DOJ" are people like you.

Barr has done nothing to put a DOJ thumb on any political scale, but you and your ilk keep making unsubstantiated claims that he has.
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As usual you are good for at least one laugh a day.

Ever thinking of coming out with a calendar of stupid **** a day???
 
Mycroft said:
You don't seem to realize...it's not really about "HUNTER BIDEN!". It's about "THE CORRUPT OBAMA ADMINISTRATION!".

In other words, if the DOJ end up investigating based on the material Rudy is giving them, they won't be indicting Hunter. They'll be indicting Joe and others in the Obama administration.

Anyway, let me know when the House Dems tell someone to take their info about "Trump crimes" to the DOJ.
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Well.... I'll give you this. You've proven one point beyond any shred of doubt. Many Trump supporters are either unwilling or incapable of critical thought.

I'm an American. As an American I hold a fundamental belief that all of us are equal under the law. As a nation we have not always lived up to this, but it's at least been our goal. You cannot say the same.

You argued over and over and over and over again that the Democrats did not have the authority to examine Trumps financial records (as is the plain reading of the law) because he was a private citizen and we need to protect the rights of private citizens. You also said that you need evidence of a crime to conduct an investigation. Now you're gleefully gloating over the government turning over Hunter Biden's (a private citizen) financial and travel records to the Senate despite there being no evidence of a crime (conflict of interest is not a crime, potential conflict of interest isn't even remotely a crime). That leaves two possibilities, either you believe that the "pro wrestling" is real or you're pretending that it is to convince other people that it is.
 
What if...? said:
And even Fox news is concerned about the veracity of Rudy and his "sources".

FOX.

Think about that for a minute.
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Why should I care what Fox news thinks?

I'll let the DOJ look into the sources.
 
Paradoxical said:
Is there any law you are aware of that precludes Giuliani from doing this and investigating charges levied against his client?
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Yes as a matter of fact I am very aware. He's under investigation here in the US for his ties in Ukraine. He's under investigation here in the US for possible campaign finance violations, which is a felony. He does not work for the United States government in a formal capacity. He is solely working for Trump, not for this country. He was not approved by Congress. He was not an elected official or an appointed foreign service expert. HE does NOT belong in OUR politics in consort with our Attorney General!!
 
HumblePi said:
Bill Barr and Lindsey Graham will take any kind of dirt that Rudy Giuliani, --- a man that is currently under investigation for campaign finance violations and his ties to the underworld in Ukraine --- and take that dirt and treat it as gospel truth even though it came from a foreign country, one that's proven to be corrupt and untrustworthy. That's nothing short of treason against the United States in my opinion.
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I've seen no indication that either Barr or Graham are taking anything as "gospel".

Are you making **** up again?
 
akyron said:
it is possible Barr has not seen Bidens public extortion confession and actually needs extra info..

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Do you believe that if Joe Biden committed a criminal act that he would sit on a stage, being televised, and admit to committing a crime? Geezus this has been debunked her at least a dozen times, if not more. Go google it.

You people keep dredging out the same old thing, over and over and over. Do some research on your own, LEARN the TRUTH!!
 
What if...? said:
Or its just the trumpian corruption and lies that it appears to be.

Any word on the DNC servers hidden by one of Ukraine's rich guys at Crowdstrike, in Ukraine?

You will also note that looking into the corruption of the bidens in Ukraine is a noble cause, but actually finding evidence of corruption on the part of Manafort in Ukraine is criminal conspiracy against the trump campaign.

Y'all don't even care that you have no internal consistency.
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What I do know is that the co-founder of Crowd Strike donated 10 MILLION to Hillary and the servers were allegedly taken to their offices. I also know the FBI let her attorneys do that because they were in cahoots with her law firm, possibly wanting jobs there in the future. In 2012, Shawn Henry, a former Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) official who led both the FBI's criminal and cyber divisions, was hired to lead sister company CrowdStrike Services, Inc., Oh, yes. Dmitri Alperovitch lived in Ukraine. How conveeeeenieeennnnt!
 
HumblePi said:
I'm sort of regretful that democrats are more patriot and love this democracy enough to want to preserve it not take it over as the republicans are doing. I don't think any of them would sink so low and be so arrogant about it.
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Meh, I think they'll all end up sinking to the same level once they get the same tools at hand. It's just that all of a sudden, Trumpeteers will be concerned and outraged when a D does it.
 
Ikari said:
Yes, that's why we wanted the documents and witnesses to testify in the Trump impeachment.

lol
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And I want further investigations and interviews under oath but not during that phone call impeachment which was illegitimate.
 
Mycroft said:
I've seen no indication that either Barr or Graham are taking anything as "gospel".

Are you making **** up again?
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They wouldn't be intentionally conspiring against Biden unless they FULLY INTEND to take whatever the **** Giuliani drags up and inflate it into something to use against him. That's why they're desperate enough to overstep any legal boundaries in order to get that accomplished. And by the way, I didn't hear Trump thank either Giuliani or Mulvaney at his victory speech in the East Wing last week, did you?
 
HumblePi said:
Yes as a matter of fact I am very aware. He's under investigation here in the US for his ties in Ukraine. He's under investigation here in the US for possible campaign finance violations, which is a felony. He does not work for the United States government in a formal capacity. He is solely working for Trump, not for this country. He was not approved by Congress. He was not an elected official or an appointed foreign service expert. HE does NOT belong in OUR politics in consort with our Attorney General!!
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And how was he conducting foreign policy?
 
Ikari said:
Meh, I think they'll all end up sinking to the same level once they get the same tools at hand. It's just that all of a sudden, Trumpeteers will be concerned and outraged when a D does it.
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I have a much higher view of our democrats in Congress. I trust that the majority are men and women that take their oath of office seriously.
 
Mycroft said:
He's not.
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Well, Trump mentioned that Rudy would be calling Zelensky at Trump's behest (it's in the phone summary) so, yes, Rudy is working for Trump. Since Trump is the head of foreign policy, Rudy is working for the gov't.

I think Trump is past caring his activities look improper. 2ND EDIT: This is why Trump is not a politician. 1ST EDIT: I didn't say Trump was past caring his activities were illegal.
 
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Paradoxical said:
What I do know is that the co-founder of Crowd Strike donated 10 MILLION to Hillary and the servers were allegedly taken to their offices. I also know the FBI let her attorneys do that because they were in cahoots with her law firm, possibly wanting jobs there in the future. In 2012, Shawn Henry, a former Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) official who led both the FBI's criminal and cyber divisions, was hired to lead sister company CrowdStrike Services, Inc., Oh, yes. Dmitri Alperovitch lived in Ukraine. How conveeeeenieeennnnt!
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You don't know quite as much as you should know or think you know about CrowdStrike, which by the way, the story has been debunked many weeks ago. YES, CrowdStrike worked with the FBI because CrowdStrike is not merely a cybersecurity company, it's probably one of the best in the world. They routinely work for groups like the DNC and many large U.S. companies and even international companies. They have great cyber forensics and. Russia is anxious to get rid of CrowdStrike for obvious reasons. CrowdStrike was able to pinpoint the locations of the Russia hacking houses and troll farms for the Mueller investigation. They handed over all the data they had collected on the DNC hacking to the special counsel and it all led to Russia. Subsequently Russian military officers and were indicted.

Trump started the rumor about CrowdStrike "I heard it was owned by a very rich Ukranian". That's a flat out lie with no basis in truth whatsoever. Trump keept propelling this lie as he does with his others lies. Trump has been given the facts but he will still propagate a lie like this for Russia. This propaganda comes directly from RT, Fox, and Brietbart News. Propaganda can be generated a lot faster than it can be refuted with facts. It's a Russia effort to smear CrowdStrike. Crowdstrike is one of Russia's opponents.
 
HumblePi said:
Lindsey Graham: Giuliani sharing anti-Biden info with Justice Dept

Lindsey Graham: Giuliani sharing anti-Biden info with Justice Dept
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) has repeatedly said he intends to use the Senate Judiciary Committee, which he chairs, to target Donald Trump's political foes. As recently as the fall, the South Carolinian suggested his efforts would include hearing directly from Rudy Giuliani.

Yesterday, however, Graham appeared on CBS's Face the Nation and presented a different kind of game plan: Giuliani may not have to make his case to the Judiciary Committee because apparently there's a "process" in place in which the controversial presidential lawyer is sharing information directly with the Justice Department.
Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said the Justice Department has created a process through which Rudy Giuliani, President Trump's personal attorney, can submit information he collected in Ukraine to be vetted.

"The Department of Justice is receiving information coming out of the Ukraine from Rudy," Graham, of South Carolina, said on "Face the Nation." "[Attorney General Bill Barr] told me that they have created a process that Rudy could give information and they would see if it's verified."
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Giuliani can go right past the Judiciary Committee and directly to Bill Barr with dirt on the Biden's. Was anyone aware that Rudy Giuliani was working directly for/with the US Government in order to get dirt on the Biden's too? That's sarcasm of course. This just goes to show how deeply embedded Lindsey Graham and Bill Barr into our Justice Dept. This is corruption and treason at the highest levels of government.
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So, if a citizen happens to have a dossier on a political candidate, and is connected with the President, it's treason for that President to go ahead and launch an investigation into the subject of the dossier? Good to know.
 
What if...? said:
They look us in the eye and cry in outrage that we would say their president is corrupt when we have not one but two court decisions sanctioning trump for corrupt behavior.

And they want to be taken seriously.

Seriously.
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I was watching Steve Bannon on Bill Maher and a thought struck me. The entire right wing machine is basically pro wrestling. Bannon knew full well that none of the points he was making made any intellectual sense. But that was never the point. He didn't believe them, but he didn't care. We get caught up thinking about facts and reality, but that's not what any of this is about. It's a shtick and they don't break character.

Basically all of the propaganda is just pro wrestling. There is all of this talk of populism, but the policies aren't real. The arguments don't make sense any more than the story lines in pro wrestling. The reality of yesterday is whatever it needs to be today. There isn't any policy objective. It's entertainment. They don't care about achieving anything, they're entertaining an audience. It's not about making things better, it's about making the Trump supporters feel better about themselves by inventing an enemy.
 
Mithros said:
Well.... I'll give you this. You've proven one point beyond any shred of doubt. Many Trump supporters are either unwilling or incapable of critical thought.

I'm an American. As an American I hold a fundamental belief that all of us are equal under the law. As a nation we have not always lived up to this, but it's at least been our goal. You cannot say the same.

You argued over and over and over and over again that the Democrats did not have the authority to examine Trumps financial records (as is the plain reading of the law) because he was a private citizen and we need to protect the rights of private citizens. You also said that you need evidence of a crime to conduct an investigation. Now you're gleefully gloating over the government turning over Hunter Biden's (a private citizen) financial and travel records to the Senate despite there being no evidence of a crime (conflict of interest is not a crime, potential conflict of interest isn't even remotely a crime). That leaves two possibilities, either you believe that the "pro wrestling" is real or you're pretending that it is to convince other people that it is.
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1. Please do not conflate Congressional oversight with Department of Justice action. They are two different things. Congress cannot prosecute anyone for crimes. They don't have a grand jury behind them to enforce a subpoena for financial records. If they want the records from a private citizen, that private citizen has the right to tell them to pound sand. At that point, Congress can take the citizen to court. Keep in mind, we are talking about ANY private citizen. So if the House Dems want to go fishing, since they don't have the ability to prosecute anyone, by getting Trump's financial records, they'll have to convince a judge to give it to them. The DOJ doesn't have to do that. They have to convince a grand jury.

2. The DOJ won't EVER start an investigation (or, at least, they shouldn't) unless they have some kind of evidence of a crime. If Rudy presents some evidence...if the DOJ looks at the evidence and determines it's credible...then yes, they need to investigate and, maybe, indict and prosecute. But with no evidence that a crime exists, the DOJ has absolutely no reason to investigate anyone for anything.

3. I have never gleefully gloated over the government turning over Hunter Biden's financial and travel records to the Senate. Quit making **** up.
 
Anthony60 said:
So, if a citizen happens to have a dossier on a political candidate, and is connected with the President, it's treason for that President to go ahead and launch an investigation into the subject of the dossier? Good to know.
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If a citizen has a dossier on a candidate they should take it to the FBI. BUT when the FBI tells a private citizen, "Sure, go to Ukraine, a country known for corruption. You go there and you dig up some dirt. WE as the FBI are powerless, have no agents to do that, nope. So go on, you have the blessing of the FBI to do our work for us". That's STUPID
 
Mithros said:
I was watching Steve Bannon on Bill Maher and a thought struck me. The entire right wing machine is basically pro wrestling. Bannon knew full well that none of the points he was making made any intellectual sense. But that was never the point. He didn't believe them, but he didn't care. We get caught up thinking about facts and reality, but that's not what any of this is about. It's a shtick and they don't break character.

Basically all of the propaganda is just pro wrestling. There is all of this talk of populism, but the policies aren't real. The arguments don't make sense any more than the story lines in pro wrestling. The reality of yesterday is whatever it needs to be today. There isn't any policy objective. It's entertainment. They don't care about achieving anything, they're entertaining an audience. It's not about making things better, it's about making the Trump supporters feel better about themselves by inventing an enemy.
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(you need to stop watching pro wrestling)
 
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