Trump blasted top military generals as "a bunch of dopes and babies" according to new book

[h=1]Trump blasted top military generals as ‘a bunch of dopes and babies’ according to new book[/h]
President Donald Trump blasted top military officials as “losers” and “a bunch of dopes and babies” for a lack of success in the recent wars during a tense meeting early in his presidency that set a negative tone for the relationship between the Pentagon and White House, according to a new book except released Friday.
The volume — “A Very Stable Genius: Donald J. Trump’s Testing of America,” written by a pair of Washington Post reporters — chronicles the first three years of Trump presidency, offering interviews with insiders about high-level administration discussions the authors say have not been made public before

He called Afghanistan a “loser war” and told generals assembled there that “you don’t know how to win anymore.” He attacked the group for the costs of ongoing military operations overseas and said that the United States should have gotten payments in oil from allies it assisted in the Middle East.
“I wouldn’t go to war with you people,” the book quotes Trump as saying to the military officials. “You’re a bunch of dopes and babies.”
Trump didn’t transform the economy — it’s mostly the same as it was under Obama - MarketWatch
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For a rich buffoon who got out of serving our country by using a phony excuse like bone spurs, he sure knows how to trash four star generals.

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"You're A Bunch Of Dopes And Babies", Trump Said To Military Brass During A Meeting in 2017

Re: Trump blasted top military generals as "a bunch of dopes and babies" according to new book

....according to a new book


And how many threads does this make now on this subject? A thread was started on this crap this morning, hours before the OP started this thread. Apparently using the "search" feature is difficult for some people.

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Roadvirus said:

....according to a new book

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Lots of people were there. There has been no denial.

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ecofarm said:

Lots of people were there. There has been no denial.

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He conveniently forgot that part. Witnessed by many.

This is the same Trump that disrespected Gold Star families, overruled military courts to pardon war criminals, and said he preferred soldiers "who didn't get captured."

All this from a chicken **** rich kid, who let Daddy buy off a podiatrist who rented a street-side office in one of Fred Trumps Brooklyn buildings.

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Roadvirus said:

....according to a new book




And how many threads does this make now on this subject? A thread was started on this crap this morning, hours before the OP started this thread. Apparently using the "search" feature is difficult for some people.

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You mad, bro?

Rogue Valley said:

He conveniently forgot that part. Witnessed by many.

This is the same Trump that disrespected Gold Star families, overruled military courts to pardon war criminals, and said he preferred soldiers "who didn't get captured."

All this from a chicken **** rich kid, who let Daddy buy off a podiatrist who rented a street-side office in one of Fred Trumps Brooklyn buildings.

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The subject of the OP is so foreign to what has been on display, for even the casual observer, for the last three years............./s

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HumblePi said:

[h=1]Trump blasted top military generals as ‘a bunch of dopes and babies’ according to new book[/h]
President Donald Trump blasted top military officials as “losers” and “a bunch of dopes and babies” for a lack of success in the recent wars during a tense meeting early in his presidency that set a negative tone for the relationship between the Pentagon and White House, according to a new book except released Friday.
The volume — “A Very Stable Genius: Donald J. Trump’s Testing of America,” written by a pair of Washington Post reporters — chronicles the first three years of Trump presidency, offering interviews with insiders about high-level administration discussions the authors say have not been made public before

He called Afghanistan a “loser war” and told generals assembled there that “you don’t know how to win anymore.” He attacked the group for the costs of ongoing military operations overseas and said that the United States should have gotten payments in oil from allies it assisted in the Middle East.
“I wouldn’t go to war with you people,” the book quotes Trump as saying to the military officials. “You’re a bunch of dopes and babies.”
Trump didn’t transform the economy — it’s mostly the same as it was under Obama - MarketWatch
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For a rich buffoon who got out of serving our country by using a phony excuse like bone spurs, he sure knows how to trash four star generals.

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One has to take what he is "reported to have said" with a grain of salt.

That being said, Trump's consistent and persistent deriding and denigrating of the military is a personal issue that stems from his need to define himself as a man after cowering from military service long ago. He eyes the uniform with resentment and knows deep down that his status as the Commander-in-Chief is an insult to those who had and have the courage to wear one.

- He saw no problem (neither did his voters) with denigrating a Silver Star Veteran on the campaign trail, even as that Veteran was a POW when he was avoiding service.

- He has harassed Gold Star families, because he has lived a life of callousness and no sacrifice.

- He has insulted far superior and honorable men like General Mattis, who finally had enough with the buffoon and quit, thereby earning Trump's childish scorn.

- He has disrupted the chain of command and insulted the very notion of military discipline by signaling to the Pentagon that war criminals should -and will- be forgiven.

- He paraded himself around for giving the Pentagon money, then turned around and yanked it to pay for his ignorant promise of border security.

- His son likened Veteran graves to the sacrifice he and his family has made in terms of money lost since belching into the White House.



He scoffs what he clearly cannot understand. And given how he dodged the draft, he wouldn't go to war with anybody. This is a man who sought to raise himself to the levels of the courageous, who volunteer to serve during wartime, by declaring that he would run into a school shooting event to save the day.

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MSgt said:

One has to take what he is "reported to have said" with a grain of salt.

That being said, Trump's consistent and persistent deriding and denigrating of the military is a personal issue that stems from his need to define himself as a man after cowering from military service long ago. He eyes the uniform with resentment and knows deep down that his status as the Commander-in-Chief is an insult to those who had and have the courage to wear one.

- He saw no problem (neither did his voters) with denigrating a Silver Star Veteran on the campaign trail, even as that Veteran was a POW when he was avoiding service.

- He has harassed Gold Star families, because he has lived a life of callousness and no sacrifice.

- He has insulted far superior and honorable men like General Mattis, who finally had enough with the buffoon and quit, thereby earning Trump's childish scorn.

- He has disrupted the chain of command and insulted the very notion of military discipline by signaling to the Pentagon that war criminals should -and will- be forgiven.

- He paraded himself around for giving the Pentagon money, then turned around and yanked it to pay for his ignorant promise of border security.

- His son likened Veteran graves to the sacrifice he and his family has made in terms of money lost since belching into the White House.



He scoffs what he clearly cannot understand. And given how he dodged the draft, he wouldn't go to war with anybody. This is a man who sought to raise himself to the levels of the courageous, who volunteer to serve during wartime, by declaring that he would run into a school shooting event to save the day.

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Remember when he loved the generals and appointed some to his cabinet. They are all gone now. He is so shallow.

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Would you expect anything less from a person who knows more than the generals do?

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Carleen said:

Remember when he loved the generals and appointed some to his cabinet. They are all gone now. He is so shallow.

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Oh, there is meaning here to...



This had nothing to do with love; and everything to do with his routine historical behavior of seeking approval and legitimacy. This goes way back to when he wasn't accepted among the wealthy in Florida. His inflated ego is based on him injecting himself into the spotlight every chance he gets. And then when he has people's attention, he obnoxiously promotes himself as some sort of economic royalty in order to earn applause. The fact that he surrounds himself with yes men only makes it worse because "everybody say's so" holds meaning to him. And the very reason he constantly holds political pep rallies, as if still campaigning for the job, is to get the attention he craves while the rest of the world criticizes him for the very real stupidity that is his Administration.

With the Marine Generals, he wanted to show his legitimacy in the Office and that his status as a draft dodger holds no meaning. Prior to this, he won the Presidency through the technicality of the Electoral College, leading him to falsely declare that illegals gave Clinton the popular vote. In other words, after spending eight years de-legitimizing Obama's election through his birther nonsense, he actually tried to de-legitimize his own election! This is how desperate he is to be accepted by people. Surrounding himself with Marine Generals was supposed to show his toughness, that his draft dodging status in not about cowardice, and how the Pentagon truly accepts him as Commander-in-Chief. Even his "forgiveness" of the SEAL, after the SEAL was admonished by the Navy and Pentagon for his criminal behavior, was about trying to align himself with toughness for his voters, of whom he has proven to have little respect for. Somehow, that was supposed to show his "support for the troop," while thumbing his nose at military discipline and showing the Pentagon his ass.

But with the revolving door of his Administration, which is now far worse than even Carter's was, he proves how unlikable, stubborn, and fool-headed he is. Economists, military leaders, diplomats, foreign leaders, nor environmentalists can work with him. With his Administration now filled with yes-men, his Foreign Policy and behavior has gotten worse and worse; and American interests has suffered for it. He is a walking contradiction to his own 2017 National Security Strategy because his entire behavior is based on his ego and pure guessing of what might endear him to his Conservative voters. He makes what he hopes is a popular decision instead of the tactful decision (an Obama issue too). Actual American interests were maliciously shelved long ago (just a misguided issue for Obama) and replaced with a personal need to be cheered for in order to survive into the next term. In the end, this will kill more Americans, especially the troops that he pretends to give a **** about. What do you think his whole personal crusade against Iran is about? It's about pleasing the ignorance of his voters. If Iran finally has enough of America's twenty year foolishness and bites, our troops will pay the price, not the draft dodger who exploits their blood in order to look tough. Easy to pick fights against tough guys, when you rely on other tough guys to defend you. And in Trump's mind, that picture with the six Marine Generals made him tough too. ...but then they abandoned him to his idiocy and mental weakness.

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HumblePi said:

[h=1]Trump blasted top military generals as ‘a bunch of dopes and babies’ according to new book[/h]
President Donald Trump blasted top military officials as “losers” and “a bunch of dopes and babies” for a lack of success in the recent wars during a tense meeting early in his presidency that set a negative tone for the relationship between the Pentagon and White House, according to a new book except released Friday.
The volume — “A Very Stable Genius: Donald J. Trump’s Testing of America,” written by a pair of Washington Post reporters — chronicles the first three years of Trump presidency, offering interviews with insiders about high-level administration discussions the authors say have not been made public before

He called Afghanistan a “loser war” and told generals assembled there that “you don’t know how to win anymore.” He attacked the group for the costs of ongoing military operations overseas and said that the United States should have gotten payments in oil from allies it assisted in the Middle East.
“I wouldn’t go to war with you people,” the book quotes Trump as saying to the military officials. “You’re a bunch of dopes and babies.”
Trump didn’t transform the economy — it’s mostly the same as it was under Obama - MarketWatch
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For a rich buffoon who got out of serving our country by using a phony excuse like bone spurs, he sure knows how to trash four star generals.

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In my experience about half of what is written about Trump is false, but the half that is true is still disturbing. Even if half the behavior described in the excerpt is correct, and it is plausible, then Trump is a real whack-a-doodle and horrible manager of people - he would have been fired ten times over in any corporate environment.

By the way, one reason I find it believable (aside from the many interviews) is that it is consistent with his public attitudes and behavior regarding NATO. Early in his administration it was clear he was unsure if he should end the US relationship of NATO, constantly bad-mouthed allies, and refused to say anything about Russia that was not a back handed slap of US behavior in prior decades.

Trump is a man who is obsessed with plots, dated urban myths, and protection of his ignorance because ONCE his ego is on the line, he sticks with the story till hell freezes over.

Hopefully he has grown slightly over he past several years - that excerpt was shocking.

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MSgt said:

- He has insulted far superior and honorable men like General Mattis, who finally had enough with the buffoon and quit, thereby earning Trump's childish scorn.

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I imagine, though, that there is nothing Donald Trump could say that General Mattis would bother to be offended by.

Trump doesn't have the chops. He's a punk. Mattis has probably scraped more manly things off of his shoe.

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Roadvirus said:

....according to a new book

And how many threads does this make now on this subject? A thread was started on this crap this morning, hours before the OP started this thread. Apparently using the "search" feature is difficult for some people.

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But Trump is bad!!!! :2mad:

I mean tRump!!!! :yes:

He is bad - VERY bad!!!!

If you are just reminded often enough, you will be ashamed you did not vote for Hillary!!!!!

Trump (allegedly) expressed an opinion!!!!

The CIC expressed an OPINION!!!!

Allegedly.

That CANNOT be tolerated!!!!

It's impeachable!!!!!!!!

:2mad:

:donkeyfla

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Carleen said:

Remember when he loved the generals and appointed some to his cabinet. They are all gone now. He is so shallow.

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Familiarity breeds contempt?

:shrug:

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Hamish Howl said:

I imagine, though, that there is nothing Donald Trump could say that General Mattis would bother to be offended by.

Trump doesn't have the chops. He's a punk. Mattis has probably scraped more manly things off of his shoe.

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The military defines manliness. :yes:

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3leftsdoo said:

The military defines manliness. :yes:

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So, you hate the military, and consider everyone in it to be the same as Michael Calley.

Noted.

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Hamish Howl said:

I imagine, though, that there is nothing Donald Trump could say that General Mattis would bother to be offended by.

Trump doesn't have the chops. He's a punk. Mattis has probably scraped more manly things off of his shoe.

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I'm sure he is not personally offended. Trump's history is clear and he can't hold a candle to Mattis in terms of professionalism and personal integrity. It was Mattis who set records through largely his engineered attack into land-locked Afghanistan (before General Franks screwed it up); and it was Mattis who set records through largely his engineered assault to Baghdad. It was also Mattis who finally got the Iraqi government to start setting aside sectarian differences so that the Iraqi government could be stable (before Obama abruptly yanked our forces out), all the while being a target for assassination by a Shia militia and various Sunni militias. And now, Trump parades himself around as a proper Commander-in-Chief because he green lit the assassination of an Iranian General who shared many of Mattis' and America's interests in the region. So, this draft-dodging wannabe's belligerence comes in low in terms of what would offend Mattis.

But Mattis represents a much larger military force, not just the Marine Corps. He is the epitome of what we mean when we say "lead by example." So when someone like Trump feels that he is righteous in his denigration of a man like Mattis, all the military should feel it. Unfortunately, and much to my disappointment, America is full of Veterans who began worshiping this fool back when he thought it was funny to denigrate American POWs. The man has consistently piled on the insults towards the military and none of them have managed to break the leash. It's pathetic.

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HumblePi said:

[h=1]Trump blasted top military generals as ‘a bunch of dopes and babies’ according to new book[/h]
President Donald Trump blasted top military officials as “losers” and “a bunch of dopes and babies” for a lack of success in the recent wars during a tense meeting early in his presidency that set a negative tone for the relationship between the Pentagon and White House, according to a new book except released Friday.
The volume — “A Very Stable Genius: Donald J. Trump’s Testing of America,” written by a pair of Washington Post reporters — chronicles the first three years of Trump presidency, offering interviews with insiders about high-level administration discussions the authors say have not been made public before

He called Afghanistan a “loser war” and told generals assembled there that “you don’t know how to win anymore.” He attacked the group for the costs of ongoing military operations overseas and said that the United States should have gotten payments in oil from allies it assisted in the Middle East.
“I wouldn’t go to war with you people,” the book quotes Trump as saying to the military officials. “You’re a bunch of dopes and babies.”
Trump didn’t transform the economy — it’s mostly the same as it was under Obama - MarketWatch
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For a rich buffoon who got out of serving our country by using a phony excuse like bone spurs, he sure knows how to trash four star generals.

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If we had an honest press reporting our accomplishments in most of our “little” wars you would be outraged, and if you weren’t you should be.

War creates a promotion line for the brass. That is the only rapid way to show your skills and add rank.

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MSgt said:

I'm sure he is not personally offended. Trump's history is clear and he can't hold a candle to Mattis in terms of professionalism and personal integrity. It was Mattis who set records through largely his engineered attack into land-locked Afghanistan (before General Franks screwed it up); and it was Mattis who set records through largely his engineered assault to Baghdad. It was also Mattis who finally got the Iraqi government to start setting aside sectarian differences so that the Iraqi government could be stable (before Obama abruptly yanked our forces out), all the while being a target for assassination by a Shia militia and various Sunni militias. And now, Trump parades himself around as a proper Commander-in-Chief because he green lit the assassination of an Iranian General who shared many of Mattis' and America's interests in the region. So, this draft-dodging wannabe's belligerence comes in low in terms of what would offend Mattis.

But Mattis represents a much larger military force, not just the Marine Corps. He is the epitome of what we mean when we say "lead by example." So when someone like Trump feels that he is righteous in his denigration of a man like Mattis, all the military should feel it. Unfortunately, and much to my disappointment, America is full of Veterans who began worshiping this fool back when he thought it was funny to denigrate American POWs. The man has consistently piled on the insults towards the military and none of them have managed to break the leash. It's pathetic.

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What do you think General Mattis is waiting for?

Mattis says he'''ll '''speak out''' about Trump policies when time is right

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3leftsdoo said:

The military defines manliness. :yes:

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But your accusation is incomplete.

- Calley was a war criminal who was convicted through military Courts Martial.

Since the military conducted a Courts Martial and found him definitely guilty, how can Calley represent the military? For that matter, you may as well have tried to use the torture and abuses at Abu Ghraib as representing the military, despite the military conducting Courts Martial and convicting the fools involved. Even Marines pissing on dead bodies in Afghanistan were disciplined for their unprofessionalism and behavior.

You will not find this sort of accountability as routine among all the militaries of the world. In fact, only few militaries in even the West hold up to the standards that the U.S. military holds. Of course, this is made more difficult when civilian Commanders-in-Chief embraces approve CIA waterboarding (Bush) or embrace convicted war criminals as a means to prove his toughness and his supposed "support" for the troop (Trump).

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Rexedgar said:

What do you think General Mattis is waiting for?

Mattis says he'''ll '''speak out''' about Trump policies when time is right

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I have no idea, but his history suggests that he would be very uncomfortable with it. In Call Sign Chaos he is very reserved when it comes to questioning and criticizing Franks over the 2001 Battle of Tora Bora in Afghanistan. He tames his criticism of Bush over the invasion of Iraq; and he is reserved in his confusion over Obama's decision to abruptly leave Iraq just after the Iraqi government was proving to play ball. He is even careful in regards to the friction that emerged between Obama's staffers and him over Iran. So, when it comes to Trump, who has absolutely proven to be a complete threat to American interests and security, I suspect Mattis will be just as cautious in his criticism. Even in his book, his criticisms of things as SECDEF refrain from directly blasting Trump (Think of McConnell when he criticized the abandonment of the Kurds without actually saying the word "Trump.") Ultimately, as with the other Presidents, he sees a superior rank that has the last word. According to his own words, this is largely why he agreed to serve as Trump's SECDEF. He wrote that "when the President asks you to serve, you serve." So even after retirement, he was loyal to the chain-of-command.

In all Presidential cases, he kept his criticism to himself and never found a microphone. Even after retirement he kept his comments close. He was never political and he prides himself on the fact that people don't know who he votes for. He accepted orders and made the best of them, despite always having to balance his tactical-decision making with their populist-decision making. After accepting his orders, his military-decision making was always well thought out and based on ancient and modern literature. He would read multiple books before developing operations and always referred to the wisdom of former Generals and commanders who trekked around on the same ground. And he never assumed that only he knew best. He surrounded himself with wisdom and took their counsels.

This involved not only military operations, but also diplomatic efforts with regional experts and national/tribal leaders. In many ways, Mattis (and others) was trusted to create American Policy in the absence of Bush/Obama instructions. This bit goes back to Clinton, who established the policy of using regional Commanders as diplomats. But in the end, he always knew that it was not the job of military commanders to create American policy. This needed to come from Washington. So he was always humble and always made sure that regional autocrats and their military leaders knew that they could not criticize America's leadership and expect him to play along. This was his professionalism and awareness of his place in the pecking order, despite Washington showing the world how deep in its ass it can enthusiastically get.

When Trump declared that he "is the real deal," he was right, but Trump had no idea of what he was talking about. He was merely reacting to the popularity of having Mattis around him and the legitimacy that his cover might provide him as Commander-in-Chief. And you know this is true because even now Trump was recorded as bragging about the assassination of the Iranian General as proof that he is a good Commander-in-Chief to his donors in Florida. I mean, the man holds routine pep rallies to stay convinced that people love him and that he deserves to be President...but I digress. Trump didn't and does not have the integrity or the wisdom to understand a man like Mattis. And this is why he can callously insult military heroes, American POWs, and our greatest modern day General. And thanks to the wholesale ignorance of his voters (to include plenty of Veterans) he gets away with it.

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MSgt said:

I'm sure he is not personally offended. Trump's history is clear and he can't hold a candle to Mattis in terms of professionalism and personal integrity. It was Mattis who set records through largely his engineered attack into land-locked Afghanistan (before General Franks screwed it up); and it was Mattis who set records through largely his engineered assault to Baghdad. It was also Mattis who finally got the Iraqi government to start setting aside sectarian differences so that the Iraqi government could be stable (before Obama abruptly yanked our forces out), all the while being a target for assassination by a Shia militia and various Sunni militias. And now, Trump parades himself around as a proper Commander-in-Chief because he green lit the assassination of an Iranian General who shared many of Mattis' and America's interests in the region. So, this draft-dodging wannabe's belligerence comes in low in terms of what would offend Mattis.

But Mattis represents a much larger military force, not just the Marine Corps. He is the epitome of what we mean when we say "lead by example." So when someone like Trump feels that he is righteous in his denigration of a man like Mattis, all the military should feel it. Unfortunately, and much to my disappointment, America is full of Veterans who began worshiping this fool back when he thought it was funny to denigrate American POWs. The man has consistently piled on the insults towards the military and none of them have managed to break the leash. It's pathetic.

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My son was a marine while Mattis was an active general. He thinks a lot of the guy.

I looked at his record, and it's pretty damn impressive...Certainly more impressive than any of the generals we had in the army, though a couple of colonels came kinda close.

Also, everything else you said, in spades.

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For anyone who actually read the full excerpt, there is nothing factual that sounds unlike Trump. The characterizations may not be to some's liking, but I think it 100 percent spot on in reflecting his initial deep antipathy to NATO and extreme naivete' over Russia. The man was (or is) a man nurtured in ignorance of political and diplomatic history, and marinated in populist resentments. The totality of the man's political education being in watching entertainment news, and talk radio.

On the other hand, its rather sad that the team that assembled to "educate" him were equally clueless in the language that populists speak, and triggered every ingrained emotion by using terms such as "international order" and "international stability"...etc. Fundamentally populists (and most intellectual conservatives) don't give hoot on how the US "helps" make the world safe for others. What they care about is "national interest". EVERY international policy is measured by whether or not their is a national self-interest in getting involved in matters that seem to mainly concern other nations.

Any presentation that emphasized "humanitarianism" or "defending democracy" or "supporting the UN and the rule of law" is going to fall flat on its face. Bannon saw that and knew their Joint Chiefs and State Department education was going downhill fast.

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Hamish Howl said:

I imagine, though, that there is nothing Donald Trump could say that General Mattis would bother to be offended by.

Trump doesn't have the chops. He's a punk. Mattis has probably scraped more manly things off of his shoe.

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Mattis laughed it off. He's the Meryl Streep of generals.

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Michael Cole said:

Mattis laughed it off. He's the Meryl Streep of generals. ��

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Yeah, that was pretty glorious.